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Westerners Migrating to India for Jobs
shonagon53 writes "The BBC reports that quite a few young European tourists stick around in India to work for eSolutions companies who contract outsourced work from European companies. The salaries are mediocre, but you get free housing, great food, snacks à volonté and a free taxi ride to work each morning.
Is this the first wave of the much anticipated reverse-migration which will be a hallmark of the 21st century?"
Getting a work visa in India is simple: you apply and if you are not on Interpol wanted list and have a employer's job offer, you should expect it in a month.. No other certification or verification is required.
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Even if 'the company' is supposed to take care of your visa, it pays to follow up on your own. This advice courtesy the guy who left Ecuador at the unpleasant end of a gun because the company he was working for FUCKED UP!.
In addition to Ecuador, I've worked in China, Japan, Phillipines, Fiji, Tonga, Hong Kong, and Singapore. I hired on outside the USA. Most friends who are working or have worked expat. have hired on outside their home country.
Want an overseas job, take a vacation, get to know the place, visit the company you want to work for. Hang out in the right bars.
Now I'm the grandest Tiger in the Jungle!
this is so bogus I dont know where to begin. evidentally you have never seen the images that radiologists read these days. modern multi-detector CT scanners have resolutions to .4 mm, are multiplanar, and show 3-D reconstructions immediately. they scan the body entirely in 20 seconds. they can be assessed around the world in a matter of a few seconds. modern MR is evolving just as quicklyl, with multichannel processing. I can only assume that this writer has no knowledge of radiology at all. yes, I can sit in New Delhi and read a study from Chicago, and via voice dictation, provide an answer in minutes. but as I stated, it is a matter of licensing and taxing, not image quality.
Sorry, but having constant diarrhea and eating shitty food is not my idea of fun. Also, Indian chicks don't put out (unless you marry them), which makes matters worse. Then there's the rampant polution and health hazards. India is not a fun place to live no matter how you slice it. Trust me, I am an Indian, and I've visited India enough times to know this.
BTW, in India, diarrhea is so common, it is normal for you to respond to "how are you doing?" with "I have diarrhea"
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In India, medical insurance is only needed for real emergencies. Most people don't have them because most don't need them. Unlike the US, India (and many other countries) have a "radical" approach to medical treatment: You get sick, you visit a doctor or hospital in your price range immediately and they treat you! I believe this approach is called free market or something like that.
Labor laws in India are far stricter and biased towards workers than in the US (India used to be a full-fledged socialist country, remember).
Religious freedom is guaranteed in India. It has been that way for millenia. India has the second highest Muslim population in the world and the highest Christian population in Asia! It is officially a "secular" country with no state religion.
When you are apprehensive about a foreign country, it is a good idea to do some reading up about it.
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You are counting the 10X factor twice, and multiplying them. This is wrong.
Look at it from the point of view of one country or the other, not both.
Let's say the guy arrives back to India and compares his lot with the European, who is about to leave. He has saved 10 times as much as the European. End of story.
${YEAR+1} is going to be the year of Linux on the desktop!
As an interesting side note the two most efficient economies in terms of GDP per worker per hour are Germany and France. The USA makes more GDP in total per worker, but the workers tend to work much longer hours. As to which is better (the difference is about 15 hours per week and about a month of holiday time) I wouldn't like to say.
In terms of GDP (PPP) the French and Germans (and most north Western European nations) make around 70% of what a US worker does in terms of mean GDP (PPP) per capita. What the median values are is another matter, of course, but are likely to be relatively close to the mean I would imagine.
But they get 30+ days of vacation
I work in the UK and get 31 days of holiday time, plus 8 bank holidays, for a total of 39 days. However British workers tend to work longer hours than those on the continent.
Check out these other big Indian Job sites-
http://www.naukri.com/
http://www.timesjobs.com/
http://www.jobsahead.com/
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I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer.
Nevermind that in Canada (land of free health care plagued by long wait times), people are starting to setup surgery-tourist packages to Indian hospitals, all-expenses paid including hotel, 1-month of follow up and a tour for something stupid like $5,000.
Apparently the hospitals that rich people in India go to are world-class and offer care at 1/10th the cost.
So I wouldn't rule out India's health care system so quickly.
Um, no one is *making* you go. 'Sides, hit up Taco Bell and get all the diarrhea you in the comfort of your homeland.
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Easiest way to avoid diarrhea is to cook your own, and cook it well. All you want to to is to kill bacteria and other germs in your food and water. Frying or boiling are the best ways to do this.
Or buy something takeaway and microwave it yourself. Microwave is a little unreliable unless you have the new inverter design ones which have stepless power adjustment. Long steady sterilization does it. 1 minute on full micro power may leave cool unsterilized pockets in your food. 1 min at 100% and 2 mins at 60% is better.
Always boil all of your water, even after buying that fancy ceramic water filter.
All of these simple lessons I've learn the hard way over the years in many countries, including developed ones.
If you need to eat out, take one strong aperitive before food, and one strong digestive after food. This may sound archaic to some but it really works wonders.
Norway. ;-(
I live 1600km ++ from my parents and family.
And YES distance matters:
-Your mother can not make food for you.
-Friends can't "just come over".
-Traveling takes time and money.
-I live in a sometimes totally diffeent world when it comes to economy, food, weather, social life, job oppurtunities etc.
In the USA >$10/hr is hard to get now days unless you work for a union or corp/government. Most businesses in the USA are small. Average incomes are down for 30+ of the last 35 years when adjusted for inflation. www.bls.org This week 5 jobs in the whole IT section for Dallas Morning News. Wow that's 5 jobs for 20,000+ unemployeed IT workers in DFW. So if you make it to India you can make 22k a year and live great on $15/day. So your wrong, false government exchange rates are pushing U.S. citizens out.
In general, the place is conservative. An american guy, I know worked in Hyderabad for 8 months, saved a bundle but was very frustrated in the dating department. His outlet was bi-monthly visit to Bangkok. Banglore, apparently, is a bit more progessive on this scene. But I suspect, not helluva lot.
Sorry to say, but if you're asking this type of questions, you're probably not made up for that type of move. BTW, I've lived in Europe, Far-East, now Canada, always "local contract", so I know what I talk about. Back to a good answer, the thing is that if you're young (or young-of-heart), what only matters is that the job pays enough to pay for a decent living. I suppose you read the article, and all those Europeans in India clearly lived well. No hunger, lots of curry, :-) what do you want more!!
.... you'll miss a lot.
When living overseas, the question is most often not about pay, but more if you can get affordable housing. I lived in Singapore, with a typical rent of 5000 per month. So, it becomes important that an employer is helping to overcome that hurdle. Next thing, what are the taxes. For example, I took in Singapore a big pay cut, but taxes were 10-15%. Oh, did I mention that a good dinner outside would set you back less than 5 bucks?
I hope you get the gist. Wages or pay cuts say nothing!! It's about income versus cost of living. And when that works our reasonable enough, you should of course have a little mentality of "carpe diem" and not too much worry about your mutual funds, stocks and such. If the latter is important to you, better stay home. But
Browsers shouldn't have a back button!! It's all about going forward...
India is not a fun place to live no matter how you slice it. Trust me, I am an Indian
I'm an Indian too. I know your kind of people - "India sucks, every other country is better". If I were you I would be ashamed of myself. Looks like your kind of people are more common among Indian IT workers.
and I've visited India enough times to know this.
Exactly. You have visited India, not lived here. People of different countries have different kinds of fun. You can't have the kind of fun you have in USA or Somalia in India.
BTW, in India, diarrhea is so common, it is normal for you to respond to "how are you doing?" with "I have diarrhea"
If slashdot was in India, or if all slashdot mods had visited India, you would have been modded down as troll. This is the first time I'm hearing "Indians have diarrhea". For all the other slashdot readers: This guy deosn't live in India, he has just visited it, so he doesn't know more than any other foreigner who has visited India. If fact he "knows" even less than others because his type of people already have a bad image of India in their minds.
and eating shitty food is not my idea of fun.
This exactly what I am talking about. Calling Indian food shitty is completely baseless. He just thinks it must be bad because its Indian.
India used to be a full-fledged socialist country, remember
No it wasn't.
India leaned towards Russia, and had a middle-road-economy, a combination of public and private sectors - that is hardly socialist.
Dude you are just such a fucking typical ABCD, get the fuck over it. Just because Indian women don't want to sleep with you, doesn't mean they don't put out. I mean it's difficult to rape 500 Million women, dumb fuck. Further you got diarrhea because you are total fucking moron. Next time, try drinking a little bottled water. I lived in America, and am very to be back in India, thanks. And shit bags like you can stay exactly where you are, inventing a new flavour of toothpaste while the rest of us can go on living happy, productive lives. Just because your family happens to be a bunch of village idiots isn't my problem. If somebody took me to Rectumsville, Idaho for my US Vacation insetad of New York City, I think I'd have a pretty interesting picture of America. So, do yourself a favour, and go fuck yourself.
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