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Robert Zubrin's Mars Gashopper Airplane

Fraser Cain writes "Universe Today has a story about Robert Zubrin's (Mars Society President) Martian Gashopper Aircraft proposal to NASA. It uses solar power to liquefy carbon dioxide and then use it as a propellant to take off, fly hundreds of km above the surface of Mars like an airplane, and then land vertically again."

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  1. Re:Here and now? by Clay+Pigeon+-TPF-VS- · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Carbon dioxide is much more concentrated on Mars than on Earth. It would take a lot longer to get enough for fuel, and you would need more propellant to overcome Earth's larger gravity.

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  2. Re:Here and now? by Egekrusher2K · · Score: 3, Informative

    They've done test flights here on Earth, so I'm assuming it works here.

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  3. Re:Liquifying CO2? by Cid+Highwind · · Score: 5, Informative

    CO2 sublimates, doesn't it?
    It does under Earth's amospheric conditions. You can liquefy CO2 by putting it under high pressure (5+ atmospheres, IIRC). When they release the liquid CO2 it'll probably produce gas and small crystals that will sublimate away, like what happens when you discharge a CO2 fire extiguisher on Earth.

    It would be neat to watch a rocket powered aircraft that trails dry ice snow instead of smoke and flames...

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  4. Re:Interesting by Dorsai65 · · Score: 3, Informative

    It also gives mission control a better idea of what they might want to look at next: during a hop, take a few photos and send them back for review and planning. That and the photos can be stereoscoped to give a better idea of terrain features. No more landing in a crater they can't get out of :-/

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  5. Re:RTGs? by Dolphinzilla · · Score: 4, Informative

    RTG's don't release any chemical compounds, they are only used as heat sources (in this case heating banks of thermocouples to generate electricity) - the fuel pellets are usually bound in plastic to make handling safer.

  6. Re:Here and now? by InfiniteWisdom · · Score: 4, Informative

    I don't think CO2 is essential to the system... it just happens to be the most handy gas available on mars. Its really like a VTOL aircraft with jet engines except that the gas is heated electrically rather than by burning fuel. An earth-based gashopper would just use air.

  7. Re:Here and now? by thinkstoomuch · · Score: 3, Informative

    CO2 has a relatively warm freezing point, -78C, compared with -196 for nitrogen, and -182 for oxygen. So, it's convenient for that reason too. I'm sure you could make a similar system for our atmosphere, though liquid nitrogen is trickier to deal with than CO2.

  8. Re:Interesting by DerekLyons · · Score: 3, Informative
    With the rovers, we are limited to flat terrain that is navigable by wheeled autonomic vehicles. With this, we can fly down to the bottom of a chasm and take readings down there,

    Only so long as the bottom of the chasm has quite a bit of open and reasonably flat terrain, and as long as the chasm is several times wider than the wingspan of the Gashopper. (And the winds are low.)

    All this become possible once we develop terrain avoidance software considerably more sophisticated than the current generation, and a computer considerably more powerful, yet lighter and less watt hungry than the current generation...

    In short, this is a typical Zubrin proposal. Long on wildly handwaving the advantages (while throwing darts at NASA), and very short on a realistic assesment of the problems and challenges that lay between here and there.
  9. Re:Here and now? by r00zky · · Score: 4, Informative

    > The same 50 kg would weigh about 41 lbs on Mars.

    Do martians use the imperial system now?

    For the imperial impaired (like me) 41 lbs == 18,6 kg

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  10. Re:So close, and yet... by Sai+Babu · · Score: 3, Informative



    Whoa there Bubba!

    I said, "Of course it would literally have to hop as wings are useless on the moon. Low gravity may make the concept practical and gas could be 'waste' from the He3 extraction."

    You might also run a fusion reactor on the moon using some of the He3 you've mined and use the heat to vaporize and accelerate other byproducts of mining such as metals.

    Links. http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/helium3_0006 30.html, http://exosci.com/news/129.html (He3 found with concentrations of TiO2), I like the Populrar Science RAIL GUN approach to getting the stuff back to Earth. Another nice thing about proximity of TiO2 and He3 is O2 is handy for miners of the made of meat variety. Perhaps some OPossums or Coons with human like brains (search /. or google for the articles on chimera).

    Gotta think outside the bathtub

  11. He's not the only one.... by carambola5 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Last Friday (Nov. 19) was a big milestone for many small companies like Robter Zubrin's. This is when NASA announced its 2004 SBIR Phase I awards. And yes, this Gashopper is one of them.

    Check them all out at: http://sbir.gsfc.nasa.gov/SBIR/sbir2004/phase1/awa rds/2004topic.html There's really some innovative stuff going on. Also, to the future rocket scientists out there: if you want to work in aerospace, this is an excellent site to find small companies doing NASA subcontracting.

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