Slashdot Mirror


FSFE Becomes WIPO Observer

wikinerd writes "FSFE, the European branch of Richard Stallman's Free Software Foundation announced that it was granted observer status in WIPO, the international organisation which influences nationwide copyright laws."

25 of 118 comments (clear)

  1. jaja by Commander+Trollco · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, aside from perhaps making OSS people look like greasy hippies, this is perhaps good news for all that are concerned about software consumers' rights. having a free software advocacy group in such an influential organization will be a good way to ensure that a wrench is thrown into the gears every time lobbyists come around, throwing their specious arguments about intellectual "property"

    --
    http://persianews.on.nimp.org/?u=Tar_Baby
    1. Re:jaja by Selanit · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Well, aside from perhaps making OSS people look like greasy hippies . . .

      Huh?

      I'm confused. How does gaining formal observer status at a massive international governmental body make the OSS crowd look like greasy hippies? I'd have thought it would be the other way around -- make us look like a bunch of tie-wearing authoritarians, maybe. I agree with your post otherwise -- this is good news -- but I don't understand that first bit.

    2. Re:jaja by BlackHawk-666 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I'd say he's referring to the fact that Stallman looks like he needs a bath, a good shampoo, and a haircut. Sometimes that guy is a two edged sword. One the one hand, you cannot doubt the major good that has come from his crusade, on the other, he makes us all look like smelly hippies.

      I would have thought that if he really truly cared about free software and how it is represented to the business world he might at least try and play the game dressed in a nice suit. I cut my hair and put on a suit to go feed my family, if he cares about free software he might consider doing the same, or risk leaving it marginalised forever in the smelly hippie freak power pre-conception that is so easy to derive from his appearance. Yes Richard, presentation counts for something too...it counted on your exams at MIT and will count in the real world. It's not for no reason the top tier of many development projects is called "The Presentation Layer".

      --
      All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
    3. Re:jaja by Suffering+Bastard · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I agree with your post otherwise -- this is good news -- but I don't understand that first bit.

      I think what Cmdr Trollco is pointing out is that the FSFE folks in WIPO will be the only people speaking out against the mainstream opinions, which will further the image of FOSS advocates as angst-ridden, head-in-the-clouds, delusional hippies. It's a variation on the same theme of discrediting dissent as misplaced discontent by labeling all dissenters as hippie/unpatriotic/out of touch/bad eggs/self-serving boat rockers/whatever.

      What Trollco forgets to point out is that OSS people are already perceived as greasy hippies, and since the mainstream system has succeeded in painting them as such, having these hippie malcontents inducted into WIPO has the effect of legitimizing their positions. So dissent from those folks will be expected, whereas a "legit" organization (in the eyes of the mainstream proprietary biz world) that ends up behaving as dissenters would appear MORE hippie-ish than the hippies who are behaving as expected.

      Being a greasy hippie myself, I welcome this chance for other hippies to express the views I advocate.

      On a side note, TFA says:
      FSF (and FSFE) advocate the use of Libre software, also known as Free software or Open-Source software.

      TFA was obviously not Stallman approved!

      --
      "Molest me not with this pocket calculator stuff."
      - Deep Thought
    4. Re:jaja by blowdart · · Score: 4, Funny
      How does gaining formal observer status at a massive international governmental body make the OSS crowd look like greasy hippies?

      Well Stallman could turn up and demand it's called gnuWIPO

    5. Re:jaja by JeffTL · · Score: 3, Insightful

      FSF does have a lot of greasy hippies in it, but you know what? The hippies were right -- they smoked too much marijuana, but they were right.

  2. Progress by comwiz56 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is a substantial piece of progress for widespread recognition and acceptance of OSS. If the OSS liscenses can't be enforced internationally, they are worth nothing. Even though this is only observer status, this is a major step in making OSS a major part of internation trade.

  3. the dark side of all this by blackomegax · · Score: 3, Interesting

    bad thing is that they only have OBSERVER status. meaning no control. the bright side is, when shit hits the fan, and the poo flingers try to cover it up, it'll get out anyway.

    1. Re:the dark side of all this by hunterx11 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Although it's not unlikely that they would be kept out of the loop, observers can have a very large influence on the UN. Much of the action taken by the body in session is little more than a formality. The majority of resolutions pass by consensus, which means that the vast majority of UN work occurs outside the UN in caucusing to reach consensus. It is here that the FSFE could leave its mark. Although it is perhaps a bit offtopic, last weekend I attended a Model UN where several observers such as the Holy See were able to have a noticeable influence.

      --
      English is easier said than done.
  4. Re:French Linux Zealots? by Soko · · Score: 3, Funny

    Bedevere: HELLO!

    *waits*

    An armour-clad face appears at the top of the rampart. It speaks in an outrageous French accent.

    Soldier: 'Allo! 'Oo is it?
    Arthur: It is I, King Arthur, and these are my knights of WIPO. Whose castle is this?
    Soldier: This is the castle of my master, Richarde de Stallman.
    Arthur: Go and tell your master that we have been charged by WIPO with a sacred quest. If he will give us food and shelter for the night, he can join us in our quest for the Holy Copyright.
    Soldier: Well, I'll ask 'im, but I don't think 'e'll be very keen-- 'e's already got one, you see?
    Arthur: What?
    Lancelot: He says they've already *got* one!
    Arthur: (confused) Are you *sure* he's got one?
    Soldier: Oh yes, it's ver' naahs. ets called de GEE PEE HELL.(to the other soldiers:) I told 'em we've already *got* one! (they snicker)
    Arthur: (taken a bit off balance) Well... ah, um... Can we come up and have a look?
    Soldier: Of course not! You are Capitaliste types.
    Arthur: Well, what are you then?
    Soldier: (Indignant) Ah'm French! Why do you think I have this out-rrrageous accent, you silly king?!
    Arthur: What are you doing in *WIPO*?
    Soldier: Mind your own business!
    Arthur: If you will not show us the Copyright, we shall take your castle by force!
    Soldier: You don't frighten us, WIPO pig-dogs! Go and boil your bottoms, son of a silly person! Ah blow my nose at you, so-called "Arthur Keeeng"! You and all your silly English Knnnnnnnn-ighuts!!!

    (the soldier proceeds to bang on his helmet with his hands and stick out his tongue at the knights, making strange noises.)

    Lancelot: What a strange person.
    Arthur: (getting mad) Now look here, my good ma--
    Soldier: Ah don' wanna talk to you no more, you empty-headed animal food-trough wiper! Ah fart in your general direction! Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries!
    Galahad: Is there someone else up there we can talk to?
    Soldier: No!! Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time!

    (Yeah, the Monty Python schtick is a little old, but boy did it fit under the parent nicely!)

    Soko

    --
    "Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm." - Anonymous
  5. Patents too! by compudj · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not only does the WIPO influences copyright laws, but it does also affect the patents, which is exactly the point that the GPL v3 plans to take care of.

    It's good to have an organism like the FSF being recognised in the, how critical, field of intellectual property!

    1. Re:Patents too! by n0tv3ry3lite · · Score: 3, Funny

      Are you sure FSF is an organism? Maybe it's an orgasm? Then again, maybe it's an organization?

      --
      I had so many unwanted daemons on my machine, I had to hire a priest to cast them all out.
  6. We are surrounded by Trurl's+Machine · · Score: 4, Interesting

    On the WIPO site there is a passage that might sound kind of scary:

    Intellectual property surrounds us in nearly everything we do. At home, at school, at work. At rest and at play. No matter what we do, we are surrounded by the fruits of human creativity and invention.

    I wonder if it's possible to live in a IP-free environment. Let's assume that you build your house from a public domain blueprint, you read only books written by authors who died before 1954, you use self-assembled PC running only free software, you use only generic drugs and own devices that either never were patented or whose patents have already expired. I think it's possible without resorting to Amish-style technophobia and living in such environment might even be quite comfortable and stylish (imagine all those 1960's refrigerators, air conditioning systems, eight-track stereo with nothing but folk and classic music etc.). Am I wrong? Any educated comment, please?

    1. Re:We are surrounded by dasunt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I wonder if it's possible to live in a IP-free environment. Let's assume that you build your house from a public domain blueprint, you read only books written by authors who died before 1954, you use self-assembled PC running only free software, you use only generic drugs and own devices that either never were patented or whose patents have already expired. I think it's possible without resorting to Amish-style technophobia and living in such environment might even be quite comfortable and stylish (imagine all those 1960's refrigerators, air conditioning systems, eight-track stereo with nothing but folk and classic music etc.). Am I wrong? Any educated comment, please?

      As mentioned by another poster, your computer hardware is probably embraced by patented IP.

      Your automobile would probably still have patented IP.

      Don't forget your local phone system you are using.

      I think its impossible, for all except the loosest definition.

      On the other hand, a life without a computer, car, or phone might be quite comfortable. :)

    2. Re:We are surrounded by Otter · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I think it's possible without resorting to Amish-style technophobia and living in such environment might even be quite comfortable and stylish

      Well, of course it would be possible. That's the whole point of patents -- the inventor is rewarded with a temporary monopoly in return for full disclosure, early adopters may have to pay a premium and the whole thing passes into the public domain in a few years. Compare the available set of generic drugs today to the state of the art of medicine 25 years ago and you see why the patent system is a vital part of progress.

      Endless copyright extensions are a whole other matter -- compare generic statins and chemotherapeuticals to "you read only books written by authors who died before 1954".

  7. Re:To what effect by Ingolfke · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is a big difference between unofficial "squawking" and official "squawking". The first is a rant, the second is an enlightened observation. Although the argument may not change, the official status does have some intrensic value in presenting the argument to decision makers.

  8. Re:Slashcode? by hunterx11 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Perhaps it's in order to assure that people don't start posting before they RTFA.

    --
    English is easier said than done.
  9. OSS meets top dogs by bathmann · · Score: 5, Informative
    Being awarded the observer's status is quite an achievement. Check out the list of the 165 other observers: click me.

    FSFE will be among the likes of CISAC, IFPI, ISO, UNESCO, WHO, etc. FSFE better shows it's up to the task and comes up with clever arguments why OSS is the way to go (or at least a way to go).

  10. This can only be good. by puke76 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This can only be a good thing. WIPO's domain dispute resolution process is severely flawed , I wonder if the FSFE could bring some balance?

  11. Amount of Copyrighted Material by Jameth · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It occurs to me that the FSF is representative of an incredibly vast amount of copyrighted material. Although many people would not want to have the FSF be considered there representative, I think it's reasonable to consider the FSF to be the representative of at least a slight majority of all GPLed and LGPLed software. (I mean this in the same way that the RIAA is a representative of many other labels, yet usually doesn't hold the rights itself.)

    In that light, how much copyrighted software does the FSF represent when compared to other software organizations? I would not be surprised if that would make the FSF the largest in the world. In that light, the FSF should have an enormous amount of sway in such a situation.

    So, to take this further, could those of us who do have GPLed software which is used heavily denote the fact that the FSF does in some manner represent us, thus showing to the governments of the world how important they are? Governments tend not to listen to people who do not have some delineated backing, so I think so sort of declaration of this would be needed.

  12. Give credit where credit is due. by jbn-o · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is a substantial piece of progress for widespread recognition and acceptance of OSS.

    No, it is a substantial piece of progress for widespread recognition and acceptance of the older free software movement. The FSFE doesn't speak for "OSS" (open source software). In fact the FSF tells us that the two movements are not the same. This essay explains much and is one of the most underrated essays the FSF has published.

    While I'm sure that the open source movement will get some increased publicity from this (largely from people who don't understand what "open source" really means or don't know the difference between the philosophies of the two movements), it's important to understand recent history and see how the messages of the FSF and OSI differ. It's also important and fair to give credit where credit is due. Here, that means using the phrase "free software". I don't know who wrote the blurb at Wikinerds, but they were wrong. The FSFE's press release doesn't mention "open source" or "OSS" at all. Your article is vastly overrated.

  13. FSF's message is not "OSS". by jbn-o · · Score: 4, Informative

    I agree with you that what the FSF has achieved here is remarkable. However, the FSF doesn't argue for "OSS". They argue for free software. Perhaps that is why they are called the "Free Software Foundation Europe". When the FSF started in the US, "open source" did not exist. The start of the open source movement was over a decade away and the OSI's founders chose to stand for different values, most notably pushing aside software freedom so they could more easily speak to their primary audience: business.

  14. It helps by villoks · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well,

    the more civil society organizations, the better. the reason - every organization has typically one chance to speak and currently right holders dominate these sessions because of the excess number of their participating organizations.

    FSFE is actually a bit late here, EFF and CSC are already full members and EDRI, IP Justice and the Union for the Public Domain have been observers for a while.

  15. WIPO was bypassed in favor of WTO for TRIPS by philfr · · Score: 3, Informative

    The TRIPS (trade-related aspects of intellectual property rights) are discussed at the WTO, and not at WIPO, which would have been a more logical place for the most important international treaty about intellectual property.
    Why ?
    Because US did not want to discuss separately a tailor-made law for Hollywood and parmaceutical firms.

    So, even with FSFE at WIPO, which is good news, what will this change if it is the WTO that makes the rules ?

  16. Re:Nomenclature by uncommonlygood · · Score: 3, Insightful

    will GNU/jokes ever stop being funny?

    err.. yes