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Top Ten Persistent Design Flaws

jlouderb writes "Bruce Tognazzini former human interface evangalist at Apple, and currently a principal at web design firm Neilsen Norman Group has begun cataloging the top ten design computing flaws that we just live with with, but shouldn't have to. Only seven are found at his article, and (not surprisingly) three are Mac related. My favorite: the mysteriously dimmed menu options. Why are those darned things grey anyway?"

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  1. Power Failure Crash... by kidgenius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He mentions that computers shut-off without any juice. Not surprising that computers do that. I don't think this is a design flaw, simply because there are things in existence, known as UPS's, that are there to buy you time to save and close everything.

    1. Re:Power Failure Crash... by thunderbee · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It would be trivial to have a small battery, on the DC side of the power supply instead of trying to hook up a UPS. Just 2 minutes worth of power to cleanly shutdown.
      UPS is ok to weather the power shortage, a battery inside the power supply would allow for clean shutdown.

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    2. Re:Power Failure Crash... by jonadab · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > 2 minutes worth of power to cleanly shutdown. UPS is ok to weather the power
      > shortage, a battery inside the power supply would allow for clean shutdown.

      It shouldn't even need to be enough to shutdown -- all it needs is to dump the
      RAM and processor state (register contents and such) to a designated area on
      the hard drive (or flash RAM dedicated to this purpose, or whatever) from which
      the BIOS firmware can restore everything when power comes back. The OS would
      not even need to know the power was ever out, except to fix the system time.

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    3. Re:Power Failure Crash... by Rich0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A full-size computer takes 300 watts. Well, let's just pretend it does. There's plenty of other numbers to pick from, but from the blown up "300 watts" chinese power supplies I see day in and day out, it's a good number to assume.

      You don't need the whole computer to work.

      Put a chip on the motherboard to manage the whole thing. The OS gets an alert from the power supply that everything is about to die. It immediately dumps whatever it was doing to RAM, and gets the CPU to flush the write cache. Now, everything we need to save is in RAM (And that took probably a microsecond - the power would probably last this long without any backup.) The OS sends a message to the hibernation chip on the motherboard. This chip immediately cuts all power to the CPU and all peripherals except a single hard drive, and the RAM refresh (no fans, PCI bus, etc). It then does a DMA transfer of RAM to the hard drive, and sets a flag in CMOS for the next power-on to indicate that it needs to restore.

      So, you need full power for about 1ms or so, and then power for one hard drive and RAM (no CPU) for about 30-60 seconds. That can't be more than a watt or two. If you were really slick you'd design any extra hard drives to put power back into the system as they spin down (regenerative braking - but we don't really need it). The power could probably be generated by standard-sized (AA/9V/C/D/etc) batteries - which are a trivial expense compared to UPS batteries.

      Even a desktop running full-speed doesn't pull 300W - that is a peak capacity which is probably only seen when drives are spinning up initially.

  2. Re:Some of these things are valid... by Pope · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Heh, exactly. #1 complaint I've always heard about Macs? "Oh, you have to drag the disk to the Trash to eject it, that's not intuitive."

    Answer? Nothing about computers is 'intuitive' it's all learned behaviour. The fact that people actually whine and bitch about something that small makes me laugh, expecially now that in OS X the Trash turns into the Eject icon when you grab and move a removable disk.

    Bruce has always been the ultimate whiner, in and amongst some of his valid critiques, and he still wants a computer to be a mindreading typewriter at the end of the day.

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  3. Yeah, it doesn't "nag"... by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...but you presumably knew you WANTED to remove it.

    What if a user has an open file, and yanks the drive? How does Windows "gracefully" deal with that? Answer: it can't.

    You can pull the drive on a Mac, too - the difference is that the Mac will say, hey, you should have unmounted this first...hope you saved everything. And instead of doing something like auto-unmounting-without-nagging-when-no-files-are- open, Apple just keeps the behavior consistent: the user should know they're done using the volume (unmount it) before they unplug it. This has been the behavior for 20 years. And no, I'm not saying just because something has been some way for a long time that it needs to remain, but I just don't see the problem. Not allowing a device to be removed, or "nagging", probably saves a lot of people from fucking shit up before they've properly saved and/or dealt with items on a removable volume, instead of allowing things to be unplugged wholesale. If the user unplugs something at an inopportune moment or with open files, how is the computer supposed to be able to deal with it? Cache up the changes and not tell you? Or tell you that something was removed when it wasn't supposed to be and tell you (and keep that behavior consistent even when you "might be done with it"), like Mac OS does?

    1. Re:Yeah, it doesn't "nag"... by daveschroeder · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm trying to remember the error I got last time my cheap-ass switch crashed while windows was writing data to an SMB volume...

      Something along the lines of:

      "Windows failed to write files to a volume. These files may have been lost."

      No applications crashed, no nothing but that error.

      That's about as gracefully as is necessary when it comes to the user purposely (or accidentally) abusing the computer.


      Yeah - and that's fine. And Mac OS X does essentially the same thing. But Tog is somehow asserting that Windows does/did it "better", because it used to let you remove a floppy without doing something in the OS to unmount the volume. Huh? So what? A user could still screw up their data; they have LESS of a chance doing that when they're at least warned BEFORE they unexpectedly remove a volume.

  4. Re:Some of these things are valid... by !isontime · · Score: 5, Insightful
    But when I read "Principle: The user is in charge and should be free to carry out any activity at any time without fear of reprisals" I just about lost my lunch.
    I haven't been able to read the article yet, since it appears to be /.'ed, however I would have to agree. As with driving a car, flying a plane, or just about operating anything, use comes with some responsibility.

    As for the above, swap user with driver and you may see my point.
  5. Stealing Focus by Hope+Thelps · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It doesn't seem to include evil applications (or operating systems) that suddenly throw new windows on the screen to grab keyboard focus away from you just as you type something.

    You lose your thread of thought AND the computer decides you said "OK" to "do you want to email your credit cards around the world" while you sit there wondering what just happened.

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  6. Reverse dates by hey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    On the ASCII sort "bug", he writes dates have to be reversed to sort correctly. No, the correct way to write a date is 2004-11-29, what's the problem. That sorts correctly! ;-)

    1. Re:Reverse dates by Al+Dimond · · Score: 4, Insightful

      DD/MM/(YY)YY makes sense because it's listed in ascending order of unit times. Also many people write dates like 11 October 2004.

      YYYY-MM-DD makes sense because it's listed in descending order of unit times. It's like a numbering system, with most significant digits first.

      MM/DD/(YY)YY makes sense because many people write their dates like October 11, 2004.

      If you have to communicate with people, don't be a lazy ass and write out the name of the month, to remove ambiguity. If you have to communicate with machines (or if you like to think this way, like me) then use the YYYY-MM-DD form.

  7. Not Bugs, Maybe Not Really a Problem, Either by Spencerian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Item 1; Power failure crashing

    In my experience, this affected Macs much less in a brownout situation than PCs. The Macs (at the time, desktop G3 systems) stayed up after a power blink of 0.5 sec, losing no data. I think current Mac OS hardware is more robust in this area, but this is not really a fault of the computer or the OS. No power, no computer worky. Sorry.

    Workaround in a mission-critical area: Buy an uninterruptable power supply, petition Apple to make a computer with very expensive (but non-volatile) flash RAM, or use an Apple laptop, which has its own battery that makes it resistant to brownouts and blackouts.

    Issue 2: The Dock in Mac OS X.

    Grousing. In the old Mac OS 9 days, there was a Dock analogue called the Launcher. It was ugly, and I rarely set it up for users, but it worked. Some people still use it for their Classic apps in OS X.

    Workaround: Many, most third-party. Apple's interface, until OS X was icon-centric for launching apps, rather than menu-centric (in Windows Start menu). The Dock is no more perfect than the Start menu, but at least it provides a consistent launcher for common apps, instead of having the user search through folders for the right app icon to launch.

    Better: Have installers ask user to add icon for applications to the Dock, which isn't done most of the time, forcing users to search about in the Applications folder.

    Issue 3: Dimmed menus.

    A bit of a grouse, but logical. Some OS X apps by third parties HAVE shown info in the greyed out menu as to why the option is not available. I believe it is more programming efficient to leave a greyed out menu than to attempt to hide it (affecting where and the order of menus on the menu bar from one moment to the next, which would confuse the hell out of me).

    I believe Tog's thought, of adding a special option in a greyed-out menu as to why this command is dimmed, could be useful. Otherwise I think he is blowing the issue up. Of course, the more complex the app (especially with palettes and THEIR commands, the more weight his argument holds.

    Issue Seven: Disk Drive Nazi.

    Not a problem, at least until removeable drives arrived.

    The Mac OS has always been intelligent, preventing you as the user from accidentally ejecting or formatting a disk you are using, including network devices. This is a Good Thing. Compare this to the behavior in Windows, which will still allow you to eject media in use, causing All Kinds of Hell.

    Workaround: His point seems more specific to USB and FireWire drives. Unless Apple creates a hardware lock that physically locks a device, preventing the thing from being removed, then there's not a lot to do there, except Apple making the OS more robust in screaming at people to tell the OS that the drive is to be disconnected before they physically remove it.

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  8. Eight by downward+dog · · Score: 4, Insightful


    Bug name: PDF

    Duration: 10+?

    Supplier: Adobe et al

    Alias: Why-is-it-so-hard-to-write-decent-software?

    Product: Various PDF viewers, primarily for Windows

    Bugs: One: Acrobat kills Mozilla. Two: Hidden "check for updates?" box locks up IE.

    Class of error: Poorly written software

    Principle: Simple software shouldn't hog resources or kill other apps.

    Discussion:
    Why is it so hard to write a decent PDF reader? Preview for Mac is fast and doesn't crash anything. And yet Acrobat for Windows (and maybe for Mac--I haven't tried it) is slow, a resource hog, locks up Mozilla/Firefox until the file is done loading, hides its "check for updates" window (without a tab on the XP app bar), and locks up the PDF-viewing window in IE until the "check for updates" box is dealt with.

  9. Re:Some of these things are valid... by malfunct · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Agreed, many of his bugs were of the sort "this damn machine can't read my mind". They are good to have around though because if you solve them it could make you some money.

    The one I found funny was the continuous save. Computers "used" to do things that way (in the 70's) and if the power went out not only was your in memory copy bad, so was the one on disk because it was saving when the power went down (well back then it was on casette but the damage was the same) and is corrupted. Thats not even thinking about the fact that writing to disk all the time would slow the application down to the speed of molasses flowing uphill in January. This isn't to say that there is no happy medium. I find that 5 minute saves are plenty for me and I prefer them to go into a "backup" file that the application can handle instead of being saved in my actual document.

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  10. menus are grey because they're disabled, get help. by javaxman · · Score: 3, Insightful
    My favorite: the mysteriously dimmed menu options. Why are those darned things grey anyway?

    Uh, they're grey because they're disabled ?

    I'm sorry, I don't understand how this is a design flaw. You'd rather the menu in question _always_ do something? What do you want copied when nothing is selected? Would you rather the menu was enabled always, but just beeped or did something else ( i.e. not the desired action ) when clicked ?

    The menu is grey to let you know it can't do anything until some other action is taken. It doesn't just disappear because location/muscle memory is how we remember where that menu is. What would be the better design? How is a disabled menu a flaw, again? You'd rather get a dialog box telling you that you need to do something before clicking here... how could you have known ? Why is clicking "copy" bringing up a dialog box ?

    TSFA says :
    The software "knows" why it has dimmed the item. Some decision or decisions led to the flag being set. At the same time as the flag is set, the reason why should be made available. If the user clicks on a grayed-out option, the reason or reasons should be made known. And none of those, "Gosh, Oh, Gee, it could be any one of these 14 reasons or maybe something else" messages. The message needs to be intelligent, responsive, and accurate. This one is important. This one needs to be done right.

    Ok, so the issue is that you want to know why the menu is disabled. So, which of 20 different on-screen objects do you want a message to indicate could be selected to enable "copy" ? Even if you manage to get the message "right", how useful is the message "You must select something to copy." going to be after the second time you see it? At that point the greyed menu tells me everything I needed to know.

    Gee, I wonder why that one hasn't been fixed. Yea, that's a real design bug, right there. Just like the dock, which even my mother-in-law can use, with it's 9 bugs and all...

    Now, ASCII sort and reasonably flexible data entry ( aka Bug Name: Let's you save me some work ) now, those are real design bugs. Design bugs which are usually there ( as the article notes ) doe to lazyness of the software designers/creators.

    A few of these design problems I can agree with, but IMHO, if you're troubled by a disabled menu, that's a clear sign you don't understand the function of that menu, and you might want to try a menu item that isn't greyed out, like that one labeled "Help".

  11. Re:Some of these things are valid... by wfberg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Heh, exactly. #1 complaint I've always heard about Macs? "Oh, you have to drag the disk to the Trash to eject it, that's not intuitive."

    Answer? Nothing about computers is 'intuitive' it's all learned behaviour. The fact that people actually whine and bitch about something that small makes me laugh, expecially now that in OS X the Trash turns into the Eject icon when you grab and move a removable disk.


    As the saying goes; the only intuitive interface is the nipple (and even that barely qualifies, some babies have a hard time coming to grips with it). But at least a user interface can be consistent. Dragging the floppy to the trash would suggest wiping the entire floppy disk, but it doesn't do that; in fact, it makes sure your files aren't deleted!

    In fact, good graphical user interfaces are user-friendly (to neophytes at least) not just because they're consistent, but because they are modeless - vim is pretty consistant, but not modeless.

    I think this is a justified gripe, now matter how easily it is learnt. Other user interfaces might have more deficiencies, and ones that are harder to overcome, but mac ain't perfect either.

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  12. Re:Dimmed menus by Sebby · · Score: 4, Insightful
    This doesn't keep a consistent menu, which is totally annoying. Also, instead of not telling the use that the action is not available, it just hides it (talking Word here as an example); seeing a menu dimmed is much more helpful than having to search for that menu.

    And in Word it's not a case of 'least used menus'; I'm using word this very minute, and menu items that I've used, seconds apart, are always hidden ('minimal menu' mode for lack of a better or official term). So I'm wasting more time searching for menus than I should, and it's just totally annoying.

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  13. Comments by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Power Failure Crash

    This is due to the save file paradigm. Changes only get saved if you tell the computer to. People have long realized this is bad; this is why some programs have autosave. I am all for saving changes continuously - and forking a file if you want to have distinct versions.

    The Macintosh Dock

    I guess this is more of a personal thing. Personally, I think the Dock is great, although I prefer separate launch icons and open window icons (aligned at separate edges of the screen), a la NEXTSTEP. The Mac doc certainly kicks the Windows taskbar (and imitations') ass.

    Mysteriously dimmed menu items

    I don't necessarily agree these are bad. The alternatives are removing them (bad because menu structure changes), not disabling them (makes no sense - they are disabled because they aren't meaningful right now), or not dimming them (bad because you don't signal the action is unavailable).

    The proposed fix is a good idea, though.

    ASCII Sort

    This issue has never affected me much. The alternative is is having lots of black magic exceptions to get items sorted the way humans might sort them. To me, it seems these exceptions are hard to deal with for machines, but for humans as well. I don't think it's worth the trouble.

    What is good, though, is having proper metadata support, so that we can sort not just by filename, but also by author, project, modification time, etc. Add in a search function, and you don't even notice the asciibetical sorting anymore.

    URL Naming Bug

    Some browsers already convert spaces in URLs to '%20' or '+'. I think this is the way to go. I'm not sure if stripping spaces (as the author suggests) is a good idea. Does he mean to make "my birthday pictures" internally translate to "mybirthdaypictures"? Why? My filesystem can deal with spaces just fine. Perhaps stripping all spaces after the first (i.e. removing errorneous spaces) is a better option.

    Let's you save me some work

    So, not accepting multiple formats for the same data is bad. I have to ask why the multiple formats exist in the first place. If we're talking about SSN, library card number, etc. there's always an authority issuing these numbers. Why not use the same format they use, everywhere? If users want to be inconsistent, they must be prepared to deal with the consequences.

    The Disk Drive Nazi

    I, too, hate that machines don't let me have my device back. Linux and BSD (and probably other unices) can be particularly annoying in this respect. Someone once tripped over the USB cable of my webcam, unplugging it. Nothing but a reboot would let me kill the program (which was in uniterruptible sleep), reload the (confused) driver, plug the cam back in, and start streaming video again. Grrr. Isn't this what exceptions are for?

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  14. scroll bars with ADD by ArmorFiend · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While we're administering the beatings for bad UI decisions, there's the pig-froker who dreamed up scroll bars that snap back to their original position if your mouse cursor gets too far away from them during a drag. What was the twisted thought process behind that decision? Oh, the user's forgotten they're using the slider, even though they're ACTIVELY HOLDING DOWN THE MOUSE BUTTON? We need to launch reprisals at them for not keeping the mouse cursor inside an invisible rectangle?

    Its all part of MS's policy of torturing their users until they buy "intellimouses" with scroll wheels.

  15. ejecting disks by Onan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I agree that trashing disks to eject them is unobvious, and would be pretty bad as the primary way to do so. No sane novice would ever figure that out, or be willing to experiment with it.

    But that's pretty irrelevant. Dragging the disk to the trash is a quick shortcut for skilled users, but has never been the primary method. The primary, normal method of ejecting a disk has always been the same way you perform actions on other icons: select it, then choose "Eject" from the "File" menu. No voodoo, no risk, no inconsistency.

  16. Re:Some of these things are valid... by he-sk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Heh, exactly. #1 complaint I've always heard about Macs? "Oh, you have to drag the disk to the Trash to eject it, that's not intuitive."


    This complaint is crap. You don't have to drag the disk to the Trash to eject it.

    In Mac OS X you can also eject a disk by clicking the eject button in the Finder. Which makes good sense as a UI operation, especially since you "eject" other mediums (shares, usb disk, iPods, ...) the same way. The morphing Trash icon in the Dock is simply a short cut. If you use the Desktop a lot, it's actually quite handy.
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  17. Slashdot Design Flaw by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Design Flaw: Readers are able to post on slashdot before actually reading the articles, leading to redundant information and questions being posted that were clearly mentioned in the article.

    Example: A post of "Often it is difficult to figure out why certain options are dimmed and under what context they will become active. I don't see a better alternative though other than better documentation..." attached to a story containing the solution of "Make grayed-out objects clickable, revealing what has caused the object to be dimmed and what the user can do about it."

    First Noticed: 1996

    Proposed Solution: Require the user to read the article. This could be implemented in a number of ways: either the referring home page to the message board should BE the article, or a page between the story and the article should contain some sort of code permitting posting. Or a mod of "-9999999, RTFA" should be added.

    1. Re:Slashdot Design Flaw by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Design Flaw: Readers are able to post on slashdot before actually reading the articles

      Unfortunately, mod points are often easier to get the earlier one posts, which encourages one to rush. The first reason for this is that moderators tend to be more active just after the article appears than later on. Second, if somebody says what you wanted to say before you, then you either don't get the credit or get marked redundant.

  18. That's a solution? by mblase · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Proposed Fix: Make grayed-out objects clickable, revealing what has caused the object to be dimmed and what the user can do about it

    Edit -> Undo
    "You don't have anything to undo"

    Edit -> Redo
    "You don't have anything to redo"

    Edit -> Cut
    "You haven't selected any text to cut"

    Edit -> Copy
    "You haven't selected any text to copy"

    Edit -> Paste
    "You haven't copied any text to paste"

    Great, one more way for my computer to treat me like a complete imbecile.

    If an option is greyed out, it's usually because -- shocking -- you can't use it right now. This is Common Sense. If it's not Common Sense, it's because that application's UI designer made their menus too complicated to begin with, and in my experience software programmers who do that sort of thing would also make their pop-up help even more useless, something like: "This option is disabled because you can't use it right now."

    Rule #1 in UI design: if you have to explain something to your user, you're doing it wrong. Or at least you're doing it inconsistently, which is the same thing in this business. I shouldn't need to wonder WHY an option is disabled, at if for some reason I should, it shouldn't be disabled at all.

    1. Re:That's a solution? by jridley · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, that's true of some menu options, but I'm a programmer and there are plenty of times when I can't figure out why a button is greyed on the program I work on. Not all actions have one cause; we have controls that may be greyed for a large number of reasons, some of them complex, like "you can't view the depreciation summary on that asset because it was brought into service after Jan 17, 1993 and you have choosen the MACRS depreciation method." (this is a bogus reason I just made up, but it's not out of line with reality). I've seen many that are even worse than that to understand.

  19. Drenched in irony by oexeo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Kinda ironic the article brakes almost as many usability rules as it points out:

    1) No alt tags - you've used images to number your list, yet no alternative text for blind users (or those with images off), this is a very well established as bad usability

    2) Confusing title - you say top 10, but don't actually have 10 items on your list, an important aspect of usability is clarity, which your title lacks.

    3) Consistency - you've divided each item into sub-sections, yet the sub-sections are inconsistent with from one item on the list to the next. If a sub-section is not applicable, I suggest you add, for instance: "History: N/A," this will save readers scrolling back and forth for a section they might believe to have missed

    4) No submission form - You provide an option for people to submit suggestions for your list, yet fail to provide a basic HTML form for them to do this, instead you opt to let them do the work.

    There are more, but I'll stop here, since I expect this to be modded down anyway. I hope you see the irony.

  20. Re:Some of these things are valid... by bentcd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you do continuous save, or any kind of automatic backup saving, you basically need to always save to a fresh file and keep the previous file hanging around until you're sure your new save was successful. Failure to do so will result in the problem you bring up. This isn't a problem with automatic saving as such, it's a problem with faulty implementations of the concept.
    I doubt many applications would cause noticable performance degradations these days just by doing automatic saving. Save for a few specialty applications, there are more than enough idle cycles hanging around to do that work while the user picks his nose.

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  21. Re:He has such a hard on about the Dock by rk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or another Tog bug, based on 5.

    Bug Name: Tog knows nothing about the history of the web.

    Duration: Just discovered, but probably years.

    Supplier: Tog

    Alias: "I'm trying to impress you because I used the web WAY before you chowderheads did."

    Product: Tog's Design Flaws list

    Bug: Tog's incorrect memory of history.

    Principle: "I will spout off knowing nothing about what I'm talking about."

    Proposed Fix: Lateral Cranial Impact Enhancer of your choice.

    Discussion: Claims to have reported URL space bugs to Netscape in 1991 and Microsoft in 1992. However, Microsoft didn't have a web browser until 1995 and Netscape didn't even exist in 1991.

    Bug First Observed: Today.

    Observer: Hopefully, the greater part of the Slashdot readership.

    Bug reported to supplier: Ha!

    Bug on list since: about now.

  22. Re:And related... by killmenow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are a lot of Windows apps guilty of this. Outlook is terrible. Start it, its splash screen steals focus...switch back to something else while it's loading, then it steals focus to paint its main window...go back to that other thing...and it steals focus again when its done loading all the components inside the main window.

    But, to be fair, many X apps do the same crap. Here's one thing about X-Windows (or Gnome maybe) that drives me nuts: Let's say I have four workspaces...I like to use workspace one for Internet-related activities, workspace two is development-related activities, workspace three is productivity-app hell, and workspace four is terminals. Now, let's say I go to workspace one and launch Mozilla...(really any app will do), then, while it's loading, I switch back to workspace two to continue debugging an app while Mozilla loads...then, BING! Mozilla pops on workspace two. Why won't an app stay on the workspace it was originally launched from? Does it have to follow me to the current active workspace?

    I would think any app should be smart enough to do two things: (1) know where it is when it's launched and stay there; and, (2) know if it loses focus during start up and NOT re-take it. How hard could that be?

  23. Rebuttal by NaugaHunter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ignoring his confusion between Design Flaws and Bugs...

    1) Power Failure Crash
    -- A "Continuous Save" is unpractical. Committing every action to permanent storage, aka a hard drive, would both kill performance and shorten the drive life. It would also increase the risk of hard drive failure during the crash by increasing the likelihood that the drive would be in use.

    2) The Macintosh Dock
    -- "It's not that the Dock sucks so much as a productivity tool as it is that Apple threw away so many more powerful, useful objects in its favor." So it works, but there were better options in his opinion? You'd be hard pressed to find anything that couldn't be described in this way.

    3) Mysteriously dimmed menu items
    -- I can see the point of wanting them to say why, but it is very short sighted to say the message must be exact. A much better solution is that in Help, every menu option should be searchable and explain exactly when it can be used and how. (Though I miss the Apple Help Balloons. Heck, now that I think about it I think they worked and could explain disabled Menu Options but no one bothered to fill them out.)

    4) ASCII Sort
    -- This is a consistent extension of alphabetic sorts, and will likely never change in standard file system listings. The example of iTunes is a specific application with a specific data set, and any application should organize data as appropriate for the use. Part of the point of iTunes IS to organize files in a way that makes sense for what they are, whereas the operating system must treat all file names equally and not make assumptions about what they represent.

    5) URL Naming Bug
    -- Correct history: filenames didn't have spaces because the early command line parsers separated tokens by spaces. Even today, command line parsers need help either by quoting the entire name or escaping the spaces. (The Apple II worked because the parser was even simpler; every command was only one word and everything afterwards named the object to be acted upon.) The problem with the proposed fix is that the only place spaces are not allowed is in the machine address part; spaces are allowed willy nilly in the directory portion as per the server's setup. There is no consistent way to know whether spaces in that portion should be dropped. While the browser could be written to automatically remove spaces in the first portion doing so in the directory portion would be disastrous for many web sights. Having it do both would seem to be a blatant inconsistency.

    6) Let's you save me some work
    -- This is actually reasonable, and as a programmer it's a pet peeve of mine that the computer should do the work. It's not always possible though, and sometimes compromises must be made. I prefer if the field only wants numbers it would say so and prevent numbers from being typed without beeping or anything. I think it's a good compromise between getting a clean entry and not interfering with the user, since any spaces/dashes would just be ignored.

    7) The Disk Drive Nazi
    -- This was a feature. It prevented floppy or system corruption. (The System was on a floppy and could otherwise be ejected.) OS X is much more dynamic in recovering from these incidents, having to deal with USB, Firewire, and Network drives. The incident with the Powerbook described is most likely the result of using a non-Apple drive with a bad driver. Booting from an emergency CD would eliminate. Given the author's history it's even possible he was using OS 9, increasing the likelihood of a driver problem.

    8) 9) 10)
    Apparently, he's counting in base 7.

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  24. Re:menus are grey because they're disabled, get he by pHDNgell · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ok, so the issue is that you want to know why the menu is disabled. So, which of 20 different on-screen objects do you want a message to indicate could be selected to enable "copy" ? Even if you manage to get the message "right", how useful is the message "You must select something to copy." going to be after the second time you see it? At that point the greyed menu tells me everything I needed to know.

    This argument doesn't seem very consistent. You're suggesting that the first time you see something and it's not obvious to you, it should tell you so you'll know, but at that point, it's not useful to you. What if someone else is using your computer and has not seen that message? Would it be useful then?

    Do you realize that there are more menu items than just ``copy''? I use a lot of applications with a lot of menu items (i.e. Final Cut HD) that will occasionally have something that sounds like what I want, but it's greyed out. Why would I not want immediately contextual information describing what I need to do? Is it really practical to suggest that I pull out the manuals and try to figure out what all is required to use something when I could just hit the brief contextual help?

    A more concrete example: I'm in gimp which is giving me the option to scale my image, but not crop it. Why is that? Why can I move this layer down once, but not twice? I happen to know these answers, but it wasn't very long ago that I did not, and it was frustrating to want to bring a layer to the bottom and having gimp just refuse to do so with no explanation as to why (which was added in 2.something...but not on the menu).

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  25. Re:MOD UP Re:Some of these things are valid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Kind of like the fear I get when I hit "Shut Down" on our Windows server, when all I want to do is log out. (Not only that, but you have to press Start to stop the computer.)

  26. Re:Sin number 0. by DLWormwood · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Everything should be possible without a mouse, without having to emulate one.

    Actually, in the early days of the Mac, the rule was in reverse. That is, everything should have been possible without a keyboard, without having to emulate one. Keyboardless Macs were actually common during the 68k era; they were used for kiosks, printing stations, status checking and other tasks which didn't require data entry.

    For every user who has trouble manipulating a mouse, there is a user who has trouble dealing with a keyboard. This notion that 2-D manipulators are a inconvenient UI concept boggles my mind; I just don't see how you can use software like graphics editing, page layout, or reality simulation effectively without some form of input from a mouse, trackball, or tablet...

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  27. My top-10 design flaws by c0d3h4x0r · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1. Engineering a solution that is more complex and problematic than the original problem it was intended to solve.

    2. Expecting that users will (or should have to) read anything.

    3. Expecting that users will (or should have to) possess technical expertise or jargon.

    4. Expecting that users will (or should have to) configure it before using it.

    5. Guessing or questioning the user's intent.

    6. Neglecting to handle all possible failure cases gracefully.

    7. Neglecting to save state frequently enough or at all.

    8. Pointless rearchitectures (if it ain't broke, don't fix it).

    9. Avoiding necessary rearchitectures (you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette).

    10. Designing based on your own motives (in-product advertising, etc) rather than on the user's needs.

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  28. Re:Some of these things are valid... by RedBear · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have wanted something like that for a long, long time. Somehow the software development world has never seemed to grasp the fact that it isn't the instability of the computer that pisses off the users so bad. It's the fact that when it does crash, you often end up losing everything you've accomplished for the last day, week, month or year. Tell me you haven't heard of or seen cases where a file that someone has been working on for weeks or months has been totally corrupted. It happens. It happens entirely too often. Sure, there's no substitute for backups, but you know you've lost entire files because you just created it that morning and hadn't done your daily backup yet. There are limits to the reasonable usefulness of backups.

    If a computer crashed a dozen times a day and then always came back right where it stopped with all open documents fully recoverable, it would merely be an annoyance. Most people wouldn't care that the system was unstable. Those crashes would just give them a chance to stretch their legs for a minute while the computer comes back up. But instead, their computer crashes once every 3 months and they all too often wind up with documents that are completely unrecoverable, or a totally unbootable computer. Half a day's wasted work that must be rebuilt from scratch. That's the kind of thing that makes a guy pick up his keyboard and start beating on his monitor until it falls off his desk. We've all seen the video, and we've all felt exactly like that guy at least once in our computing career.

    If someone would just take the time to come up with properly implemented full-data journaling for some common applications, they would make a fortune the likes of which Microsoft has never seen. I don't understand why common data loss is still acceptable. This is the 21st century after all. Computers have been around for half a century. Yet the closest I've seen is Word's auto-save and recover feature, which more often than not seems to fail to recover your file. Many times I've seen it "recover" on line or even nothing from a document that was many pages long. Not cool.

    I tried to pitch an idea for application-level journaling on a BeOS developers' mailing list a few years back and got nothing but blank stares. As far as regular users are concerned, it would be the ultimate advancement in desktop computing, yet they (the developers) couldn't conceive any reason you'd want to do such a thing. "Get rid of one of the biggest annoyances of the whole computing experience? Why would we want to do that?"

    Oh, well. Maybe in another 30 years, eh?