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HD-DVD Wins Support of 4 Studios

An anonymous reader writes "Looks like HD-DVD has won the latest round in the Blu-ray/HD-DVD format war. Toshiba announced today that 4 major studios (Warner,Paramount,Universal, and New Line) have endorsed the HD-DVD format. Toshiba also said it will use AACS for content protection, which is basically just CSS with better crypto & no ability to recover from security failures."

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  1. How strong is it by stecoop · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Is the format security architecture flexible enough to handle...

    A guy using a camcorder while watching his TV

    Someone plugging in the composite video to a capture card

    Brute Force Attack

    To stop me from buying your DVDs

    Alginate the Movie Industry

  2. Toshiba Wins Battle But Loses War to Chinese by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Toshiba may have won the battle but is destined to lose the war to the Chinese. Once the format is decided, the Chinese will pirate all the technologies needed to make the new HD-DVD discs. Further, the Chinese will simply pirate all the technologies for building the HD-DVD read/write players. Toshiba will receive no royalties from the Chinese. Indeed, Toshiba may be forced to pay royalties to the Chinese when Toshiba sells related products in the Chinese market, for the Chinese companies (with the implicit approval of Beijing) will actually steal Toshiba's American/Japanese patents and apply for Chinese patents on the exact same technology.

    The evil mind is capable of almost anything.

  3. Windows Media 9 by bm17 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just a reminder: Both HD-DVD and Blu-ray now require the implementation of Windows Media 9 (now VC-9, or VC-1 depending on who you ask). This means that anyone using a computer to play DVDs may be subject to Microsoft licensing restrictions. Current DVDs use MPEG2 and the there doesn't seem to be much of a problem with non-profit use of it. I don't know that Microsoft is going to be so benevolent. Have they made any statements about open-source usage? They do seem to be a bit down on that lately.

    Also, anyone know how the decision is made to encode a DVD using MPEG2, MPEG4 or WM9?

  4. Re:Not on your life. by Coryoth · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The AACS Licensing Authority has proposed the use of subset-difference trees with AES encryption,

    That sounds nice because AES is strong by most standards (there is a theoretical attack that is faster than brute force, but only very marginally better - in reality it is jst as impractical). The catch is that you still have to decrypt the content at the client end for viewing. Unless you include unique serial numbers in the packaging that the user has to input each time (yeah right), or require the DVD player to be internet connected and download keys, the key has to be on the DVD. From there it's just a matter (okay, not simple, but still) of reverse engineering the unlocking procedure to find where/how it gets/decrypts the necessary key, and we're back where we started.

    Personally I loathe DVD encryption just for the region encoding alone. I used to travel a lot (and may well do a lot more travelling in future), so my DVD collection is a hopeless mess of different regions. Worse, when living in the Asia-Pacific region there were any number of interesting DVDs that simply weren't released there (usually more obscure art-house films). The only solution was to order them from overseas...

    region encoding is silly. It's supposed to protect film distributors who distribute their films at ifferent times to different markets - but with the ever growing popularity of simultaneous worldwide releases (or releases separated by weeks at most) that isn't a very relevant argument. Instead it is being used to provide regional DVD distributors with a monopoly so they can price gouge.

    Jedidiah.

  5. Makes me feel dirty by Overzeetop · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That article from cryptography.com, should it's seggestions come to pass, would prevent me from making copies of my discs so that my 2 year old wouldn't trash the originals. It would even prevent me from ripping all discs to a server, and making a special remote interface for her.

    What's most interesting is that "real" pirates (pressing discs for mass distribution) would likely be able to circumvent all these measures with a bit-accurate re-press. *shrug* At least we know who the industry is really worried about when they talk about pirates...you and me.

    BTW, yes, my 2 year old knows how to load a DVD player, and I print the discs so she knows which is which. I reauthor them so that the movie starts immediately without user interaction. I haven't figured out how to make her understand that the top-loading CD player in her room won't play three discs stacked like records, though. ;-) (On a side note, I was impressed/suprised to find out that it will function just fine with two discs in the player at once.)

    --
    Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
  6. Re:Plus Minus by Spy+Handler · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I don't think there will be "dual-format" drives that play both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD due to the technical differences between them. (for instance the large disparity in storage size)

    In comparison, DVD-R and +R are nearly identical formats... there is almost no difference distinguishing the two. Basically the +R format is a slightly hacked version of the official -R specification to circumvent licensing fees. Note that +R discs do not display the official DVD logo with the circle image.

  7. Consumer will choose ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Whether to put up with these security provisions or not. Witness the (original) DIVX players.

    Here's a relevant story. When DVDs first came out, I was an early adopter, and bought a player in the first year or so. I figured the format was going to take off, and I was tired of the kids video tapes wearing out from repeated play.

    The first thing I did was bring the DVD player home, and pipe it through my VCR, which had multiple inputs I could switch between using the remote, rather than with a mechanical switch. Convenient. Finally, buying a higher-end VCR was going to pay off. This was all in the days before multiple video inputs were common on some types of stereo receivers, so this may seem trivial today.

    The hardware was all set up, and I put in "The Wizard of Oz" (one of the initial crop of discs I bought, this one at the request of the spouse). WTF? Fading to black and back, messed-up sound, etc. This is not what the DVD is supposed to look like! Was it broken out of the box?

    No. It was at that point I learned the joys of MacroVision video copy protection. Now I know that it is not technically difficult to circumvent, but it was damned annoying. I was not trying, and had no interest, in video taping from the DVD. I was just piping through the VCR as a source switch. Thanks to this nonsense, I had to re-do the wiring and buy a stupid and awkward mechanical switch for the TV input.

    From that point on, I have been wary of any kind of copy protection or anything else that might interfere with the simple and valid desire to watch the video content I paid for, on the system I have, without stupid encumberances. I will *not* buy any flavour of HD-DVD player until I know that I will not be surprised some day by the thing incorrectly deciding I must be a pirate, and my license to play has been revoked. I've already been fooled once with regular DVD.