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Things To Do Before You Die

Lu Xun writes "A group of British scientists has brought some meaning to our lives by providing a list of 100 scientifically-oriented things to do before you die. The suggestions include 'joining the 300 Club at the South Pole (they take a sauna to 200 degrees Fahrenheit, then run naked to the pole in minus 100 F) or learning Choctaw, a language with two past tenses - one for giving information which is definitely true, the other for passing on material taken without checking from someone else.'"

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  1. Anyone have more info by antifoidulus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    on the whole donating your car to crash tests thing? (It was listed as one of the things that you can decide to have done to your corpse after you leave this realm) What kind of research do they do with actual corpses as opposed to crash test dummies? Are the corpses that much more useful? Who has to mop up after the test is done?

    1. Re:Anyone have more info by Re-Pawn · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I work at a medical college which has a ton of research going on. The program I work for has a weekly research seminar in which we had a presentation titled: "Whiplash Injuries: Cervical Kinematics Leading to Commonly Reported Symptoms"

      What these researchers had done was created a sled like device which they then placed cadavers on (they had cut the bodies at about mid-shoulder and mounted them on this sled) They then had implanted the spine with various sensors. They then basically sent the sled into a wall to simulate a front-end collision. The research was very interesting and at the same time very disturbing.

    2. Re:Anyone have more info by robathome · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Cadaver studies are done in many interesting fields where trauma to the human body needs to be explored. In automotive crash tests, they don't usually strap a corpse into the driver seat and run the Nash Rambler into a wall.

      Human cadavers are used for two purposes: calibrating test instruments and assessing traumatic effects of measured forces. The first use is simple - you can measure a force, but what exactly does that mean? Is it enough to crush a ribcage, or to fracture an average skull? Test dummies are designed to mimic tolerances determined by cadaver studies, and research with corpses continues in order to further development on the next generation of dummy and computer models. The second use is more medical - what happens to a joint, bone, or other tissue when subjected to a massive impact or torsional force? How does the body fail, and what methods can be used to repair it?

      Current automotive cadaver studies are frequently being done with limb prosections, not the whole body. Automotive engineering protects the body trunk pretty well, to the point where previously fatal accidents are frequently survivable. Nowadays, the focus is on crippling injuries to the extremities - people are surviving, but are being left with crushed legs, hands, arms, etc.

      An absolutely fascinating book is Mary Roach's Stiff: The Curious Lives of Human Cadavers.

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  2. Obligatory Fight Club reference by bigdady92 · · Score: 0, Interesting

    Operation Mayhem Drone1: "BUILD A HOUSE!"

    OPMD2: "PAINT A PICTURE!"

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  3. Korean has two tenses for certainty by ibpunk03 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    IIRC, Korean has "two present tenses" for certainty - one for events that the speaker knows to be true, and on that they are not 100% certain of. IANAKS (I am not a Korean speaker)

  4. The Lanuage isnt that weird.... by Botty · · Score: 0, Interesting

    Maybe someone can clarify why this Chocktaw(sp?) is so cool....but Spanish has two past tenses, preterite and imperfect. One for an event that happened once, at one time, and one that could continually be happening, or the start/end point is not certain. (My explanation is a bit hazy im not a native speaker).

    Plus for every tense you have... past present, future, conditional,etc. there is the subjuntive that expresses desires and doubts. It seems to me that the argument for learning this language is rather weak as I can get a handful of confusion from Spanish, not to mention im sure there are alot more languages like this ;)

  5. DNA extraction with spit & gin by haluness · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The method to extract DNA seems pretty neat. Can anybody explain what the gin is doing?

    1. Re:DNA extraction with spit & gin by altgrr · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Because of the high alcohol content, the gin can be brought down to below zero celsius - put it in your freezer and it'll be a liquid at -18. The salt, I imagine, is there for the same reason - it allows the solution containing the DNA to be brought down to sub-zero temperatures without freezing.

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  6. Choktaw by wowbagger · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder how this shapes the thinking of a native Choktaw speaker - for example, if George tells Fred something using the "definitely true" tense, will Fred be more likely to swallow it without thinking than if the "uncheck third-party" tense were used?

    And if so, would that mean that an unscrupulous person would be more likely to use the "definitely true" tense?

    Would marketing types use it exclusively?

  7. #101: See the shock wave on an airplane wing by G4from128k · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If you sit over the wing of most jets, you may get to see the shockwave that forms during high-speed flight (above about Mach .8 or so). It is visible in one of two ways. First, if the sun angle is just right, the shockwave will cast a shadow on the wing that is a faint span-wise line of darkness and brightness. Second, if you are sitting in just the right location (about in the middle of the wing) you can see the shockwave by looking for visual disturbances (like a fault line in your vision). Sighting along a line of rivets or the edge of the wing or the wingtips, you can sometimes see a cleft that wavers. (For extra credit, one can also find a smaller shockwave on the engine nacelle about 6" to 12" back form the leading edge by sitting in line with the front of the engine and watching for a visual fault line in the ground scenery passing just above the engine.)

    As the plane goes faster, the shockwave is pushed back toward the trailing edge. As the plane slows, it moves toward the leading edge. And during turbulence, the wave will flutter.

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  8. Language with two past tenses by Ivan+Todoroski · · Score: 2, Interesting

    or learning Choctaw, a language with two past tenses - one for giving information which is definitely true, the other for passing on material taken without checking from someone else.

    For what its worth, my native language, Macedonian, has two past tenses almost exactly like the above: one for things you personally witnessed, and the other for things you don't know first hand but think are true.

    I find this quite natural. Imagine like having a separate past tense form for "she was there" as opposed to "she supposedly was there".

    99 things left to go. :)

    1. Re:Language with two past tenses by Ivan+Todoroski · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Here's an example of the distinction in Macedonian, translated word for word:

      taa beshe tamu = she was there
      taa bila tamu = she allegedly was there (or "she was there, I'm told")

      Similar forms exist for all other verbs.

      In your language, which looks like Serbian if I'm not mistaken, I think there is no such distinction (but I may be wrong, don't know it that well).

      As for for your question about the 4 past tenses you mentioned, yes, we do have additional past tenses similar to those, e.g. definite vs indefinite, and also finished vs. unfinished, i.e. forms for describing events that happened in the past and finished, versus events that started in the past and may still be ongoing. I didn't mention them as they were not relevant to the discussion.

  9. What I wanted... by digitalhermit · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've dreamed of standing on the moon, looking at the Earthrise. I've wished to stand inside a dome on the bottom of the ocean, watching sharks swim above. I've longed for a time machine so that I could watch dinosaurs; then finished with that, I'd journey as close to the Big Bang as I could. I want to chat with an Artificial Intelligence before I die. I want to stand in a world powered by the sun or the wind or clean fusion. In 2470, I want to walk within the ruins of a 20th century city, near the aforementioned solar powered, glittering metropolis, and tell the people around me about Times Square Stores and Broadway. I want a flying car, the sporty model, that I can fly along the New Miami skyline. Tired of that, I want a submarine to visit old Miami; zipping along South Ocean watching the sharks swim by.

  10. Beer by Shadow_139 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Drink a stupid "US Irish Bar" DRY........

    "NIPPLES!! I HAVE NO NIPPLES!!!" -Happy Noodle Boy


  11. what a great idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    too bad the list is LAME!

    For one thing there are only like a dozen things on the list. For another there are no instructions about how to actually accomplish any of those things.

    Hey! I'd like to suggest that everyone should cure cancer before they die! Well that's nice, dipshit, but how would you suggest everyone accomplish that?

    I looked for the link to the real list that was full of 100 things to do and had contact information on how you could actually do them, but didn't find it. What a great idea this article was. Some scientific publication should actually write such an article.

    I'm bitter that this article wasn't as cool as it should have been.

  12. Re:Brief primer... by INetUser · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Very much in a similar vain, when thinking about the original postings sited example of Choctaw,"a language with two past tenses - one for giving information which is definitely true, the other for passing on material taken without checking from someone else.'" gave me pause to consider.
    • Imagine a people who found it so important to know the reliability of information given to them, that they created two past tenses to be able to tell the difference
    • Thinking hypothetically, what if English had adopted a similar structure. What would the politicians and media do? Sound like? Say?
    Yes, I know, completely pointless, but I thought it was an interesting mental hot foot.
  13. Re:Become a diamond by orim · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Reminds me of Fallout2 and the guy with grampy bone in his nose... How is this different?

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  14. Try ecstasy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    If you KNOW you're going to die, have fun with some ecstasy. Since you don't have to worry about the long term damaging effects of MDMA, you can have all the fun without any of the guilt.

    There probably is no greater emotion, or feeling one could possibly feel than under the influence of E. It's something I think everyone should have the privilege of experiencing before they die.

    I think people on their death-beds (cancer, pneumonia, etc) should be able to legally sign-up for it.

  15. Re:Riiight ... by WindBourne · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've been outside in a pair of shorts and a tee shirt in -40F. At that time, I was going to take the garbage out to the road. I had only a 60 yards to go, and could only go about 20 yards before I had to turn back. I suspect that few will do the 300 club for more than 10 secs.

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  16. Re:Here's a Cluestick by tchuladdiass · · Score: 3, Interesting

    C puts 0 and 100 at the freezing and boiling points of water. Might be useful for cooking.
    F puts 0 and 100 at the edges of the extreme temperature ranges experienced in my country. In January, it can get to around 0 (some years not quiet, others a bit below), and summer heat tops out at 100. So, it seems to be a better fit for describing the weather.

  17. The Mystery of 137 by reverseengineer · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Feynman on the fine structure constant:

    There is a most profound and beautiful question associated with the observed coupling constant, e the amplitude for a real electron to emit or absorb a real photon. It is a simple number that has been experimentally determined to be close to -0.08542455. (My physicist friends won't recognize this number, because they like to remember it as the inverse of its square: about 137.03597 with about an uncertainty of about 2 in the last decimal place. It has been a mystery ever since it was discovered more than fifty years ago, and all good theoretical physicists put this number up on their wall and worry about it.) Immediately you would like to know where this number for a coupling comes from: is it related to pi or perhaps to the base of natural logarithms? Nobody knows. It's one of the greatest damn mysteries of physics: a magic number that comes to us with no understanding by man. You might say the "hand of God" wrote that number, and "we don't know how He pushed his pencil." We know what kind of a dance to do experimentally to measure this number very accurately, but we don't know what kind of dance to do on the computer to make this number come out, without putting it in secretly!

    The real mystery to this number, which the article hints at, is that it can be defined in a variety of interesting ways, including as (charge of an electron)^2 over (4 pi epsilon-naught h-bar c)- a formula that involves quantum mechanical (Planck's constant), relativistic (c) and mathematical (pi) constants produces a dimensionless number in the neighborhood of 1/137. The number itself is not so important (except to a bunch of people who have applied numerological methods to its study, most notably Arthur Eddington); rather, the issue figuring out the relationship between the fundamental constants that pop up everywhere in calculations (like h, c, and pi) and the universe that these calculations describe.

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  18. Re:The hardest part by WindBourne · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The team is located in Colorado. I have know about 8 ppl who have gone as support ppl. It is not that hard, but you have to have good skill sets, and be able to handle no sun for months. Finally, you do have to be comfortable with the idea of cold weather.

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  19. Choctaw pedantry by kahei · · Score: 3, Interesting


    1 -- The distinction between direct and reported speech is not one of tense
    2 -- Choctaw has _three_ past tenses

    This pedantry brought to you by Pedant's Revolt (tm)

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  20. In Canada by cybergrue · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Here in Canada, the change to Celsius for measuring temperature was one of easiest changes of the switch to the metric system, mostly because 0 degrees C is when water freezes. This is very useful as listening for the minus sign when they report the weather on the radio tells you whether to expect snow or rain. Mind you, the weather reports before the changeover were still using negative numbers in the dead of winter.

    Fun fact, -40 degrees F is equal to -40 degrees C. At these temperatures, the radio weather reports from the little town in northern Alberta where I lived use to include how many minutes it would be before exposed flesh froze (if there was a wind, the time dropped significantly, to under a minute in severe cases). Working outside at these temps is not fun. I'm just glad I didn't have to do survival training at -60C like some of my friends where were in the Military had to do.

  21. Linguistic Silliness by dpm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That's just pathetic -- so-called scientists passing on the rubbish about Choctaw. That's about on par with the Eskimo words for snow thingy (besides, as other posters have suggested, they didn't even get the Choctaw part right).

    Every language I've seen so far has some way to indicate doubt or lack of authority about what you're saying. For example, many Indo-European languages use the subjunctive mood (also called "conjunctive") rather than a separate tense for that purpose, and even English still uses the past subjunctive to indicate a condition that is contrary to fact: "if I *were* god" (but I'm not). We also use the subjunctive for something that someone else wants to happen: "I insist that he *go*" (the indicative would be "goes").

    Perhaps those scientists could find something more useful to do with their time, such as encouraging people to send postcards to a dying boy.

  22. Re:Here's a Cluestick by VCAGuy · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Actually, it really doesn't--Arizona, yes, Florida, no. I live in Orlando, and this year our high was only up to 101F. Why? Winds from the Gulf and Atlantic tend to keep it under 100F most of the year...and when the winds aren't blowing, there's usually a good enough cloud cover to keep temps in the 90s during the summer months.

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  23. Re:Riiight ... by gstoddart · · Score: 2, Interesting
    If you learned a language where you can speak with a tense for "passing on material taken without checking from someone else", why would you ever need to RTFA again?


    Ah, but just think of how easy it would be to filter out people as they talk.

    A nice simple "this man has no idea what he's talking about" test to determine that salesman has no concept of what any of the features actually do.

    Oh, the possibilities ... a built-in bullshit/working from a script detector.

    =)

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  24. Choctaw by uyguremre · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Turkish has two past tenses too, for exactly the same purpose.

  25. To Spin the Moon? by krysith · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Maybe digitalhermit dreams of someone giving a spin to the moon? Sure, it's a lot of energy and angular momentum, but are time machines which can visit the Big Bang any less possible?

    Besides, who knows what boondoggle projects the Solar Congress of 2470 will be involved with? Properly terraforming Venus might involve speeding up the planet's rotation. If you consider changing the rotation of a planet to be impossible, calculate the relative magnitudes of the angular momentum of its spin, and of its orbit around the sun. Moving some of the anglular momentum from the orbit to the spin can change a planet's orbit slightly while changing its spin drastically. This process can either release energy or require it, depending upon the direction of change. If the process releases energy, it might be used as a power source in 2470...