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Debian Announces Sarge Will Include GNOME 2.8
El Cubano writes "A recent posting to the debian-devel-announce mailing list announces that Sarge will release with GNOME 2.8. From the announcement: 'After requests and a detailed proposal from the GNOME team, we accepted
an upload of GNOME 2.8 into sid, and, via the usual mechanisms, into
sarge. We should mention that the release team was running out of
objections to GNOME 2.8 in unstable that the GNOME team hasn't
satisfactorily addressed; this, and the fact that they have demonstrated
good reaction times of late are the main reasons why we're approving it
despite the timing.'"
Maybe they ran out of people who bother to use "stable", since so many tools there are deprecated and a monster to maintain?
The Debian "stable" vs. unstable seems to match the new RedHat "Enteprise" releases vs. the new "FEdora". Maybe Debian can shorten their transfer time and testing enough to use "stable" for production servers? I know a bunch of people who'd like that.
anyone know whether x.org will make it into sarge as well?
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I have this weird little bug in GNOME under Ubuntu - when I log in, I get an XFree 'X' cursor in the middle of the screen, and it won't go away.
Apart from that, it's all really quite nice. I'm looking forward to running UserLinux though.
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Well, gnome has succeeded where the subversion team has not been able to yet.
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While Subversion (svn) 1.1.1 contains NUMEROUS important bugfixes, Debian's misunderstanding about svn library compatibility has kept it from getting into testing.
So svn 1.0.9, the much buggier version is likely to be included with Sarge when it is released. Even more sad given that svn 1.0 branch is DEAD and will no longer be fixed.
So what are we end-users to do when a debian maintainer is unresponsive to us and to the programmers who create the apps we love?
Sadly amusing in some ways since Debian seems to be using Subversion:
http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/sv
Here's what I do: on top of a stable Debian, I run a chrooted sid. Pronto! I get the best of both (ideally, I should be using testing instead of sid, since I'm not a Debian developer).
My point being that you get the best of both worlds. It is ridiculously easy to set up a chroot jail in Debian. "Google and ye shall find."
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Parent is absolutely right - not only does Windows give the foreground task greater priority, but it uses several 'dirty' tricks to acheive much greater responsiveness (provided your machine meets the recommended specs of course - I find Linux tends to cope a little better under extreme load).
I read somewhere (can't remember where) that Windows has windowing support at the kernel level which gives window movement/creation a significant speed boost.
KDE 3.3.1 is stable enough to where I'm relying on it on my ThinkPad. Sid is your friend. Gotta love the improved Konqui.
Oh yeah, and KDE has none of these problems that people are reporting with GNOME. Snappy performance on a Pentium II Mobile 400MHz. I daresay even snappier than the install of Windows 2000 SP4 on the other partition.
There is no reason why people running personal Debian desktop systems shouldn't liberally add Sid packages to their system. What Debian.Org calls "unstable" is actually ready for prime time on non-critical machines.
If you run a critical server, go with Woody aka Stable. If you can live a little on the edge with your server, run Sarge/Testing/Release Candidate. If you are setting up a desktop for Grandma, use Sarge with no Sid packages. For everyone else, live on the edge, baby! ^_^
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Its not a troll, its a valid complaint for those who choose to not ignore the current problems in gnome2.8.
I like gnome2.8 and use it at home for the family. For that use, its unmatchable, even against windows. I use KDE3.3 at work for development.
Here is what I have personally seen though in gnome2.8:
When using the file chooser, it is possible for it to not use / as the root directory when browsing in some cases. It is also possible to click on your home directory on the left and completely lose access to the root filesystem. There is no back or up button so in that case the user must close the file chooser and reopen if they lose their spot.
If I do an AltF2 in gnome 2.8 to run a program, it takes 4-5 seconds to get the second character. I know its trying to autocomplete but that is ridiculous. In KDE, is instantaneous.
When I open firefox or even galeon, it takes 5-10 seconds to actually get a window. In KDE, konqueror loads in less than 2 seconds, everytime.
If I want to add a base item to the main menu, I am SOL in gnome.
There are three different screens configuring CD actions when CD/DVD is put in the drive. Each one does something different and only a specific combination of options across all of them will make gnome do what I want it to.
If you are using an app that utilizes the gnome filechooser and want to load a file from the local network, you are SOL unless you have previously created a network device/mount. There is no location bar that can be used to manually type in an address (for me ssh:// and smb://) on the fly. Sure grandma doesnt need this, but developers and power users sure do. Its not even an option.
Why does gnome still show http source when doing a http://www.cnn.com from nautilus? I would think that this would at least open up your default browser and give you the website. I dont know why an everyday user would want to see the source from a website instead of the rendered website. This is probably due tot he fact that gnome believes file browsers and webbrowsers are two separate applications I imagine.
Gnome needs to show either OSS or alsa, but not both (but support both). Its hard to determine which sound bar to use to get the appropriate sound level. When your kernel loads both modules. Sure I can disable one, but why cant gnome just choose one on the fly to use and stick with it.
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