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Ridge, Homeland Security Head, Steps Down

WeAz writes "According to MSNBC, Homeland Security Chief Tom Ridge has decided to call it quits. 'Ridge, the seventh officer to leave Bush's Cabinet so far, oversaw the most significant government reorganization in 50 years.' Ridge joins Colin Powell, Donald Rumsfeld, and John Ashcroft as the newest cabinet member to resign from their office."

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  1. Rumsfeld resigned? by hedronist · · Score: 4, Funny

    I guess I spent too long in the john: I'm gone 5 minutes and Rummy is history?

    Or not....

    Can't find anything on news.google.com

    1. Re:Rumsfeld resigned? by WeAzElMaN · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sorry - that was my bad. I was reading another article and it said something about Rummy possibly stepping down and I added him to the list of members that have already stepped down. Sorry for the mixup. -WeAz

    2. Re:Rumsfeld resigned? by node+3 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Splendid! Now Slashdot is posting dupes before they happen.

  2. Uh by wizbit · · Score: 4, Informative

    Rumsfeld resigned? Where the frig did you read that?

    The article mentions, as is conventional wisdom, that he'll stay on for a few years to oversee operations in Iraq and transitions to national elections (assuming they ever happen). Of course, they were saying the same thing about Powell before the election.

    1. Re:Uh by damiangerous · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm assuming the submitter is confusing Donald Rumsfeld with Donald Evans, the outgoing Commerce Secretary.

    2. Re:Uh by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Funny

      Rumsfeld resigned? Where the frig did you read that?

      Didn't you know?
      Not only do paid subscribers to slashdot get access to articles before other readers,
      they get access to them before the rest of the universe.

      Consider this one a freebie.

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  3. Cabinet shakeup by RealProgrammer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, not really.

    This kind of thing always goes on between terms. No one wants to get stuck in the same job for 8 years ... except for the Presidency, that is.

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  4. This could be good... by St.+Arbirix · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's just about as many people who left Clinton's cabinet in between terms. I'm hoping it means they think their jobs are done and there's nothing major looming on the horizon that any of them feel like they need to be a part of.

    The opposite option: they're getting out while they can. I can't really believe that though. They've already worked through one of the most polarizing administrations in quite a long time (i'm no history buff), they're probably just tired. If the Bush administration is planning on anything more "interesting" (May you live in interesting times. --Confucious) than this whole Iraq thing, well, I'd be impressed.

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    1. Re:This could be good... by dhilvert · · Score: 2, Interesting

      While it may be the case, as you suggest, that the resignations were motivated by personal satisfaction with future prospects for the country, or fear of future prospects, the possibility that they were in fact motivated by the past performance of the administration, or by their own past performance, should perhaps not be too hastily ruled out.

    2. Re: This could be good... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Insightful


      > "9/11" was the worst thing that had ever happened to Americans.

      Surely not even in the same league as our civil war.

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    3. Re:This could be good... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Ashcroft, as kooky as he was, is being replaced by a guy who wrote a memo that called the Geneva conventions "quaint" and argued that it'd be legal for the administration to apply torture to certain people, some of whom would inevitably be innocent.

      Rice. What is there to say about her? From her completely humiliating handling of the incident with the intelligence air craft that was forced to land in China (you'd think that a person with a PhD in political science would have had at least one class on the wolrds oldest and yet newest superpower.) Her inability to read memos. Her fantastically blatent mistakes, overstatements, and outright fabrications. You think the Rocky look-a-like would be headed for the chopping block. But no, without the leather flight helmet she's appearently be mistaken for Kissenger. Pay no attention to the lack of qualifications, and complete inability to serve her post effectively, she's black and can figure skate.

      And the ex-governor. He started with nothing and created a monolithic mess that doesn't inform local police departments about anything useful, but did invent a worthless color code that no one ever paid attention too. In fact I don't think his department does anything other than waste taxpayer money.

      Powell, of course, has had all of his integrity spent. He'll be the man who saw the rise and fall of the Powell doctrine, and stood by silently when he had only to speak the truth to stop a travesty.

    4. Re: This could be good... by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, the live TV coverage seen worldwide of that crisis was riveting.

      I don't know if you are being sarcasic or making a point (or both) but perhaps you should research the New York City draft riots, the utter destruction of Atlanta and other Southern cities, the carnage of Fredericksburg or the 620,000+ KIAs. To put that into perspective that's almost 2% of the population of the day. Think of us fighting a war and suffering 5,800,000 killed-in-action and perhaps 10,000,000 - 20,000,000 wounded. Also keep in mind that "wounded" during the Civil War likely meant missing arms or legs upon your return from the front.

      Live TV coverage or not 9/11 doesn't even come close to the Civil War in terms of impact on American Society. 9/11 wasn't even the bloodiest day in American history. In fact I would dare say that the live TV coverage didn't have as much to do with the impact of 9/11 as people might think. Pearl Harbor had a similar impact without live-TV coverage..

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    5. Re:This could be good... by Rayonic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The Geneva Conventions are quaint. They simply don't take into account modern warfare. I mean, look at how the terrorists in Fallujah violate the Geneva Convenentions left and right. They attack from (and store weapons in) mosques, schools, hospitals, etc. They falsely wave the white flag and then ambush anyone who tries to take them prisoner. They play dead and boobytrap bodies.

      And thus, according to the Geneva Conventions, its okay for our soldiers to bomb mosques, shoot people playing dead, and take no prisoners. They have to.

    6. Re:This could be good... by Erwos · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think you miss the point. The Geneva Conventions only work if both sides are abiding by them. You can't seriously demand that no one bomb a church if one side is using it as a firebase.

      Basically, insurgents everywhere are now using the Geneva Conventions as an _advantage_. That's not how it was intended to work - if anything, the Geneva Conventions outlaw that sort of warfare with the clear demand that both sides wear clearly identifiable uniforms. The Geneva Conventions were intended to protect civilians and prevent horrifying non-conventional weapons from being used. They are NOT supposed to be a shield that your insurgency hides behind.

      -Erwos

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  5. Re:The Count? by FleaPlus · · Score: 3, Informative

    I think there's been around 7 cabinet-level resignations, which isn't too far above the average.

    Of course, the CIA is a different story...

  6. Re:zerg by St.+Arbirix · · Score: 3, Funny

    In other news...

    Steve Ballmer and Darl McBride have both retired from their positions and eloped to Massachusetts where their marriage would be legal.

    Actually, Donald Rumsfeld hasn't resigned.

    And they went to Norway.

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  7. Thank you for reminding me, but. . . by Nomihn0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I share your opinion on stereotyping and how to avoid it. I do occasionally succumb to partisan pressure, gleefully lashing out at prominent figures with trashy one-liners, but that is not my preferred method of political discourse. The motivation for using the phrase "liberals do X" was, ironically enough, to appeal to the very crowd you accused me of being a member of. Sometimes, one must work from within the system to garner sufficient respect and attention to be able to breed resistance against the status quo.

    I take no offense. In fact, I greatly appreciate your comment, o Anonymous Coward, for the content that is so rarely purveyed by Slashdot members. The only flaw is the fact that the subject was not news to me. I had originally prefaced the term "liberal" with a disambiguating comment on the order of "A sizable bloc of partisan progressive voters have, in standard knee-jerk reflex, pounced on these cabinet level resignations as fool-proof evidence of a failed presidency." However, I removed it in an attempt to be less verbose - as well as to appeal to a wider, less politically correct, audience. Although this sentence also stereotypes, I feel that it does so to a lesser extent as it is neither all-encompassing nor targeting a defined subgroup of those who vote Democrat or Green more often than they do Republican or (arguably) Libertarian.

    Now, let me say one thing on the topic of avoiding blanket political terms entirely: I cannot fully agree with you. These terms are invented, and often cast off just as quickly, because of their functionality in plebeian conversation. If you were to be stopped on the street randomly, you might be asked your party affiliation or your political leanings. In such circumstances, and I consider Slashdot to be an analogous time-sensitive circumstance, convenience often trumps accuracy. So, instead of saying "I am an ardent supporter of equality in society, including the gender/sex/race/creed blind bestowing of civil liberties upon all of humankind, who also wishes government to make greater monetary and political investments in the normalization of the standards of living in this country, eliminating the disparity between rich and poor, while still maintaining the exquisite freedom and right to individuality granted us by our constitution.", I might simply state "I would consider myself a social liberal. If you need more information, ask me now, otherwise I will tune you out, attending to my doughnut instead."

    Now that you're confident that no flame war was incited by your reply, would you mind responding to this post using your Slashdot UID? I'm curious about what else have said or have left to say.

  8. Huh? by RealProgrammer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't understand your argument at all.

    I'm not trying to be glib, but I don't understand:

    • what you're trying to prove
    • how the points you try to make lead to a conclusion
    • how the facts you cite support your points
    • really what your points are

    Maybe I'm dense before coffee? Please help me out.

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  9. Re:Yes, but not quite. by overunderunderdone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is an interesting correlation between presidents and their respective turnover rates that should also be taken into account.

    Could you explain this statement? The only correlation that I see is that recent Presidents have higher number of resignations than those in the past, but that doesn't seem to be your meaning. This change over time probably reflects a changing political culture with the addition of a few cabinet posts as a contributing factor (Eisenhower had 10 Cabinet Secretaries, GWB has 15 in addition to another 6 "cabinet level" positions).

    The Bush administration thus far has been notable in it's very low turnover in the Cabinet. In his first term only 2 cabinet positions changed hands, historically quite low. This is probably due to a desire for continuity and a sense of urgency after 9/11. The result is that some cabinet members that would have resigned earlier are taking the changeover as an opportunity to get out.

    Another factor in this spate of changes is that W. is impatient to press his political advantage coming out of the election. Unlike most second term presidents who are content to rest on their laurels Bush actually has a farily aggressive policy agenda for his second term and feels the need to hit the ground running. People like Powell that wanted to hang around for a 6 months or more to tie up loose ends are being pushed to get out to clear the decks for their successors. Bush's perception is that he has two years to accomplish anything. After the 2006 midterm elections he will be a true lame duck with no leverage. He wants the team he will be playing with for those two vital years in place immediately... no hanging around unless you intend to stay on through '06. Resign now and do it quickly so approval of the full slate of nominees can be the incoming congresses first order of business.