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Massive Layoffs At AOL

JLavezzo writes "Several news sites are reporting that the United States' largest ISP has laid off 750 employees. My sources at AOL put the actual number at approximately 950 regular employees and 300 contractors from various departments including new technology and marketing. The contractors aren't mentioned by the news outlets. Severance packages are known to include up to four months pay and keeping laid off employees on the AOL payroll through February (to retain health insurance). With most of the layoffs coming from the Northern Virginia offices, what are their hopes for finding new jobs?"

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  1. Not good news by FadedTimes · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Even though AOL is heading downhill and many people are happy to see them head that direction; it's never good news to hear that many people getting let go. I always hoped AOL would evolve and not sink.

  2. Re:"Massive"? Kids these days. by pcmanjon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm friends with Tag Loomis (guy who programmed shoutcast) over at Winamp. He's a really nice guy.

    They had 3 programmers working on winamp, he never did work on winamp, only shoutcast.

    They also had a visualization skin programmer too.

    They were all fired, and he's the only one left, and sole programmer of Winamp now.

    I've brought several bugs to his attention, but he just can't keep up doing it all alone..

    He tells me that he expects nullsoft to be terminated soon because it's definately not making them any money. He says the only reason AOL bought them was so they could compete with Media player if they decided to push advertising for it. Kind of like netscape competing with IE.

    I asked him what he'd do if he's fired... he said he's probably start delivering pizza again, cause he's looked and looked for a job to transfer to and can't find one.

    He worked for Pheonix bios for several years, and if you have that bios your system is likly running code he's written.

  3. Tech jobs in Northern Virginia ?? by Salgak1 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Assuming you have real skills, not a problem at all. . . I routinely ignore 2-3 pings from headhunters a day here in NoVa. . .and I'm mostly a Windoze admin these days.

    Admittedly, as I'm cleared, I have a far easier time finding work in DC Metro, but this area is about as recession-proof as it gets. . .

    Yeah, clearances help, but Homeland Security is hiring people, either directly or as contractors, by the metric butt-load. DOD is growing, as are some new dot-coms in Northern Virginia.

    Now, if you're in Marketing or Biz Dev, it may be another story. . . .

    1. Re:Tech jobs in Northern Virginia ?? by quarkscat · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Oh yeah, right!

      Let's see. You are a Windows administrator
      (probably with an MSCE cert), and have a
      security clearance.
      Guess what? Since DHS has settled on MS
      OSes (read some irony here), AND you have
      a security clearance, then I wouldn't wonder
      that you are getting calls from headhunters
      every day.
      I have been staring at the VERY SAME "WP" job
      postings from government contractors for the
      past 1-1/2 years: the same title, job code,
      location, and scope of duties == same job,
      which cannot get filled because they are
      looking for current active TS/Poly/Lifestyle
      security clearances. These contractors will
      not hire uncleared personnel and "park" them
      somewhere until they get vetted for the security
      clearance (in 1-1/2 years and $50K USD later).

      If you are a "*nix" administrator w/o a security
      clearance, you are SOL. I should know. While
      I did come from desktop & server support, I had
      spend 7+ years on various "*nix" (HP, SGI, SUN,
      linux) servers and workstations as SA (plus CM
      and Deployment). Those jobs ARE NOT here anymore.

      I don't know what the RIFfed AOL employees will
      wind up doing for employment, but at least they
      have some breathing room with the 4 months pay.
      They could make a gamble and go into debt to go
      back to school, but I wouldn't recommend that
      personally. IMHO, the IT job situation is ONLY
      going to get worse (along with any high tech or
      many manufacturing positions.) And between the
      growing national debt and the horrendous balance
      of trade deficit, I expect the the old halcion
      days of the Carter administration will come back
      to haunt us -- with the state of the economy
      measured as the "misery index" (of unemployment
      rate, interest rates, and inflation rate).
      The Federal government has embraced outsourcing
      as "good for the economy", with a corporate tax
      structure that encourages moving jobs offshore.
      The destruction of trade unions, as well as
      forcing USA wages lower, appears to be the agenda.

      BTW: When the unemployment runs out, the jobless
      do stop getting counted. And one part-time
      McJob is just as good statistically as the IT
      job lost. What we are witnessing is the slow
      disintegration of the USA's middle class.

  4. Good, this will improve the lives of many employee by ferrocene · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Look, I worked at AOL tech support for a year. In some towns, you can't throw a rock without hitting someone who hasn't (Ogden, Tucson, Reston, Jacksonville, etc).

    This is how it goes: normally, it's your first "real" tech job. Before this, you were the guy your friends and relatives called for help. In my case, it was my first job, ever. No McDonalds, no BK or Gap, or Orange Julius in the mall. Straight to the tech world. Your parents will be so proud.

    Then you actually start working there. The hell that is (nearly) 24/7 tech support with some of the dumbest people, both coworkers and customers, is nearly endless. You realise how large and illiterate most of America (nay, the world) really is. Not computer illiterate, the plain' old fashion kind.

    You enjoy the banana splits every time the stock splits, but you're a part time employee 'cause you're workin' your way though school. So you don't get any stock. Your fellow coworkers try to plan a coup and go on strike, form a union or something (which is strictly forbidden in the contract agreement). But it falls flat and you watch some good men and women go down. You get a small promotion.

    Then you get sucked into the workload, dumping your calls at 7 minutes, 'cause hey, you have an average call time to maintain. Fuck being helpfull, if granny's PC is taking too long to boot or you thought you'd try to blindly import her mail from Eudora or Caldera on an OS7 Mac, tough shit. She gets the dreaded call transfer.

    By trying out some of our special offers, she can get a month of free service. No really, it is a good deal. The trust that we've maintained over the last 6 minutes is a great thing to shatter with that "please hold." Hopefully she'll hang on the line just long enough that she'll be the 10th tel-save today, lest your boss compare your marketing transfer scores to the woman with the honey-sweet voice a few cubes down.

    Screw women, this is where you become a man. A hardened, overtly-bitter and disgruntled man. You also hone your skills in down pat. Everything can be done with your eyes closed "sleeping" at your desk, or shooting nerf balls at the hottie down the row. Don't worry, she'll never know it was you. The security guy at the front desk might, though.

    It only takes a few months to hate all people and computers. But at 17-24 years of age it will look damn fine on your resume. Future employers will go "wow, AOL, huh?! How'd you like that?"

    And like Michael Bolton, you'll tell them it was great. And you can't really pick out your favorite moment.

    As for people over the age of 30 wearing birkenstocks or tie-dyed shirts, please don't. It's just sad. We know you like your Mac. It says so right on your shirt. And no, you're not really "the" mac daddy. But nice try.

    Anyways, you needed a goot boot in the pants to get you into a "real" tech job. Because by now, you realise that AOL isn't. So mourn for a few days, then get your ass in gear. You've got Interviews.

    --
    Most folk'll never lose a toe, and then again some folk'll...
  5. The WARN Act by gtrubetskoy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Having been through a "massive layoff" in the bubble-burst days, one nice thing was that there exists the WARN act which dictates that if a company of at least certain size (which I'm sure Time Warner is) is laying off more than 50 people in one metropolitan area, they are obligated to give 2 months notice. For us this turned out to be two additional months to the severance, since the management doesn't really want you to show up at the office once you've been given your notice.

    Overall this is bad news, since this area (VA/DC/MD) has now pretty much two kinds of techies - those who have clearance, and those who are unemployed, and the AOL layoffs sure do not help.