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Cell Phones In The Air?

jumbledInTheHead writes "Are you ever annoyed when someone near you talks unnecessarily loud on their cell phone? Or even worse, when it is in a tight, enclosed space and you can't walk away? The problem is about to get worse the next time you take a flight; the FAA is considering removing the ban on cell phone use on airlines."

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  1. Re:Is this really a big deal? by cakefool · · Score: 5, Insightful

    thats because it's just random noise - half a conversation. You will be intrigued despite yourself to know what the replies are. A full conversation, although irritating, makes sense to your ear and thus can be tuned out.

  2. The difference by pedestrian+crossing · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They only have two people next to them on the plane to talk to, and if they are talking loudly, that's going to stop pretty quickly.

    With a cell phone, they can talk loudly to anyone they can reach by phone.

    So instead of maybe an hour before their seatmate gives them a hint that maybe it is time to shut up, they can conduct "business" in a loud voice for 8 hours straight (or as long as their battery lasts).

    Long-distance air travel is already annoying enough, this is going to crank it up a notch!

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  3. Re:Is this really a big deal? by a24061 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    You're right. I think people using common transport should either converse very quietly or shut up and read.

    I hardly ever use my mobile, but on a plane I imagine it would be really useful (Hi Honey - I'll be in late, or booking rooms or whatever)

    True: I use mine regularly to advise my wife of my train time---by text message, not by talking.

  4. Re:Is this really a big deal? by Munra · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There is a difference.

    See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3643477.stm for details.

    Basically, people get more annoyed when they can only hear one side of the conversation.

    Manta

  5. Re:And anyway by sg3000 · · Score: 5, Informative

    > Actually, the problem is that it's really easy to get a signal,
    > because you have a clear shot to a crap load of cells at the
    > same time while you are up in the air.

    This is the big problem. If they use the existing cellular infrastructure, this will greatly increase interference and make voice quality even worse than it is today for everybody.

    For existing cell phone towers, any cell phone in the air will be likely above the antenna mid-line. Since most antennas have a down-tilt of around 3-degrees (so they point slightly towards the ground), any coverage above the mid-line will be from one of the normally minimized antenna nodes that point up.

    Antenna manufacturers try to make these nodes small because it's just wasted energy. One would rather have that energy pointed to where the traffic is. So the cell phones that are in the air will have moderate to poor signal strength which will require the cell phone and the base station radio to transmit at their highest power settings. For the base station, that's not too bad, but for the cell phone, you're suddenly going to have this giant source of interference because the phone will be broadcasting at its full power setting from nearly two miles above the surface. Since voice quality is indirectly proportional to the level of the noise floor in an area, cell phones service will get even worse.

    However, the article talks about how they'll mitigate this. Airlines will install very small, low power base stations called "Picocells" aboard the plane. Thus, the cell phone will communicate with this nearby base station, reducing power levels significantly and minimizing the interference effect.

    However, this will do nothing to mitigate the annoyance of listening to the person next to you screaming on their cell phone because they can't hear their voice over the roar of the engine.

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