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Gigabyte's Dual-GPU Graphics Card

kamerononfire writes "Tom's Hardware has an article on a new dual-GPU graphics card, to be released Friday, by Giga-byte: "According to sources, the SLI card will lift current 3DMark2003 record revels by a significant margin while being priced lower than ATI's and Nvidia's single-GPU high-end cards.""

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  1. Drivers? by BWJones · · Score: 5, Informative


    So, the question will be: Can we get drivers for this card that will work in Linux or OS X? It is based in Nvidia technology, so presumably one could write drivers for this card unless Gigabyte is keeping their stuff proprietary.....

    It looks interesting and I would certainly be more than interested in plugging one into my dual G5, but I don't have time (or the interest) to write my own drivers.

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    1. Re:Drivers? by Ianoo · · Score: 5, Insightful
      It's almost certain that what Gigabyte have done is this:
      • Take the basic single GPU nVidia 6600 PCB
      • Lay down two on the same PCB with two GPUs
      • Link them together with a PCI Express switch
      • Reverse engineer the card bridge that nVidia is selling for SLI and connect whatever control signals are required as traces on the PCB.
      It seems they can do this for a signficantly lower price than you can build two single cards.

      The point is that if nVidia SLI is working under Linux, then this should too.
    2. Re:Drivers? by hattig · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I agree, but not about a PCI-Express switch. Most likely 8 PCIe channels go to one GPU, and the other 8 to the other.

      What I want on the card is TWO DVI outputs though. And possibly another two available on the other GPU via a cable when not in SLI mode.

    3. Re:Drivers? by BigBuckHunter · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nvidias CURRENT 6629 linux drivers already support SLI.

      BBH

  2. Uh oh... by koreth · · Score: 3, Funny
    record revels
    I guess now we know where Kim Jong Il's roach went.
  3. Next year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    They are coming out with a card that includes a gpu, cpu, hard drive, ram, motherboard, ethernet, sound AND it's a nuclear powered plus it will fit in your back pocket and transmit the monitor images straight to your visual cortex all the while making your breakfast and cleaning your basement.

    1. Re:Next year by tanguyr · · Score: 4, Funny

      really? will it run linux?

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    2. Re:Next year by zx75 · · Score: 2

      ooh... beowulf!

      Never Satisfied

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    3. Re:Next year by LurkerXXX · · Score: 4, Funny
      No. God won't open-source the drivers.

      Don't worry, we are working on reverse engineering them.

  4. Great idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That makes a lot more sense, store the textures once in shared memory instead of storing it twice as you would have to do in a two card solution.

    Makes me wonder if Nvidia will have dual core gpus in the future.

  5. What about 4 gpu 3dfx V5 6000? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    eom

    1. Re:What about 4 gpu 3dfx V5 6000? by orthancstone · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah, apparently the author hasn't kept up with the graphics card industry. I would say perhaps he is only considering graphics cards that are realistically retail, but this one isn't on the market yet so I hardly feel that's applicable.

    2. Re:What about 4 gpu 3dfx V5 6000? by cnettel · · Score: 2

      Actually, the V5 did no T&L, AFAIK. The first "GPU" was the GeForce 256, and Nvidia motivated that by the fact that it had a (locked) T&L pipeline, not just triangle setup and texturing. (Hey, the Voodoo 2, fully normal, even hade 3 chips, two texture units and one triangle setup.) And to all of you talking about dual core chips: forget it. The current chips are parallel in every relevant way already and putting two of these highly parallel chips together on the same die wouldn't benefit compared to "just" adding more units. Heat and lower yields with increasing die sizes are reasons to not do that without some kind of limit. Therefore, it's no surprise that separated chips actually are able to perform better at a lower price point.

    3. Re:What about 4 gpu 3dfx V5 6000? by supabeast! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      GPU is not a marketing term, it's a technical term. Just because Nvidia came up with the term that ATI doesn't use doesn't make it any less technical a label than using RAM to describe random-access memory and ROM to describe read only-memory.

  6. Doom for Gigabyte! by millisa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I bought my dual GPU 3DFx Voodoo5 around this time 4 years ago. . . and then the company was bought, support disappeared, and my fancy video card became worthless even quicker than it should have . . . I don't recollect seeing another 'dual gpu video card that will slay the market' announcement since . . .

  7. Deja Voodoo by PurpleFloyd · · Score: 4, Informative

    As I recall, 3dfx used multi-GPU chips for its Voodoo 4 and 5 lines, and didn't do so well. Is there anything to indicate that this card will do better? After all, sticking with SLI and multicore technology after its prime was what killed 3dfx and allowed Nvidia to take its place; it'd be rather ironic to see Nvidia go down the same path.

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    1. Re:Deja Voodoo by RealErmine · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Is there anything to indicate that this card will do better?

      The Voodoo 4/5 were the most expensive cards on the market. This card is cheaper than a *SINGLE* Nv 6800 and outperforms it by a good margin.

      Why buy a 6800?

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    2. Re:Deja Voodoo by supabeast! · · Score: 2, Informative

      3DFX died not because of SLI, but because they put all the R&D funding toward anti-aliasing low resolution (640x480, 800x600) graphics. By the time they had it working well, Nvidia was producing chips that ran the same games just fine at 1024x768 and up with better texture filtering, which looked much better than anti-aliased low-res graphics.

      The idea of slapping multiple chips on a card, or using multiple cards is still a good one, as long as the cards come out before someone else does something better with one chip.

    3. Re:Deja Voodoo by Ianoo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The point was, I think, that the Voodoo 4 and Voodoo 5 were last ditch efforts for survival by 3DFX when faced with more competition from a fast-growing 3D acceleration industry. IIRC, the performance of those cards was nearly matched by a single GPU from nVidia, so they weren't an attractive deal (being large, expensive, power hungry beasts). This card, however, doesn't have any obvious competition, yet, and by the time it does, I'm sure nVidia will have added SLI to their latest and greatest too. Additionally, PC buyers and makers more readily accept large coolers, whereas in the days of the Voodoo 4, the cooling required for the heat generated by all the chips just seemed silly.

    4. Re:Deja Voodoo by Ishin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So that you can put two of them together in SLI mode.

    5. Re:Deja Voodoo by RipTides9x · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong. The voodoo 4 and 5 series was NOT a last ditch effort.

      The design that became the Voodoo4 & 5 series was in development from the moment the Voodoo 2 series was released. The SLI design on one card was the promise. But the design became a victim of feature creep and got held up in development for well over 3 years. (T-Buffer, first card to do usuable FSAA)

      By the time it was released the 3D market (Nvidia) had already Leap-Frogged them (Transform and Lighting on chip), management had continually overspent on advertising (over $15 million in one year alone, which was big big money for a graphics company then) and basically run the company into the ground (buying their own graphics card production facilities in Mexico vs. being a chip maker).

      They were quickly running out of money to continue development on anything else. Had nothing else they could hope to release in 6 months time as Nvidia was doing then with its refreshes. Also, Nvidia was looking at losing a big patent suit brought by 3dfx against them. So the obvious happened.

    6. Re:Deja Voodoo by suckmysav · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "3DFX died not because of SLI, but because they put all the R&D funding toward anti-aliasing low resolution (640x480, 800x600) graphics."

      That was only one of their mistakes. The other two were;

      * Insistance that 16bit graphics were "all games require", (640K RAM anyone?) and their subsequent dogged refusual to offer 32bit cards. This allowed nVidia to leapfrog them and take a huge market lead, from which they never recovered.

      * Attempted to force the market into adopting their own proprietary standard by refusing to offer proper support for anything other than their own Glide API.

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  8. Article title misleading by caerwyn · · Score: 4, Informative

    The article title at Tom's Hardware is a little misleading. This is certainly *not* the first graphics card with two chips on it- back in the days of the ATI Rage chips, ATI had a Rage Fury MAXX that used two chips to render alternate frames.

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    1. Re:Article title misleading by ThatComputerGuy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What you're referring to isn't the fault of the Rage Fury MAXX, it's just plain old ATI. They can't write drivers. I also had similar trouble, but then, I've had it with half the ATI cards I've installed in the last 10 years.

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  9. Dubious Information by webword · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Not based on actual data. Tom's Hardware has NOT run any tests yet. Take what you read with a grain of salt.

    "Sources told Tom's Hardware Guide..."

    "Tom's Hardware Guide's test lab staff will run the 3D1 through its benchmark track, as soon as the card becomes available."

    IMHO, this is a PR coup by Gigabyte to get something into Tom's Hardware. But more importantly, why post this on Slashdot now? Let's see some data first. Let's see the results of the tests.

    1. Re:Dubious Information by tanguyr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      lies, damn lies, benchmarks,... and press releases.

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  10. Doom4 by kompiluj · · Score: 2, Funny

    You will need two such cards to play Doom4 in 640x480 at 25 fps :)

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  11. like siamese weightlifters... by infiniter · · Score: 2, Informative

    this reminds me of the voodoo2 cards. clearly we have hit another speedbump in video technology development, and if history serves as a good model we'll have to see a real revolution in architecture rather than speed before we can start moving away from brute-force improvement again.

  12. No US or Europe release. by Lethyos · · Score: 4, Funny
    ...the SLI card will lift current 3DMark2003 record revels by a significant margin...

    Unfortunately, it's only available in Asia.

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    1. Re:No US or Europe release. by entrager · · Score: 2, Funny

      Old people in Korea like them... or whatever. I'm not good at cliche posts.

  13. Please address... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... the following Slashot community concerns:

    1) Does it run under Linux?
    2) Even better, can I install Linux on it?
    3) Does it increase Firefox's market share?
    4) Does it make Bill Gates look bad?
    5) Is it in any way related to Star Wars?
    6) Will it make my porn look better?

    Prompt reponses will be greatly appreciated.

    -Slashdot

  14. I'll take two, and dual SLI for quad power! by CYDVicious · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And what are the chances of a dual GPU pci-express card coming out after this, with the compatibility to be run DUAL SLI mode with a 2nd Dual GPU card? ~CYD

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  15. Blue light special on slot 9... by doorbot.com · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Oh I see that these latest cards are finally taking the modder's advice and adding integrated blue LEDs, for that extra burst of raw rendering power.

    I know that people are cutting holes in their cases so people can admire their wiring, but I'd like to pay a bit less and save the R&D costs on the appearance-enhancing design. Plus, if this is a budget card, will appearance matter as much? It's like putting nice rims on a Yugo, I see the point but you're not fooling anyone.

  16. I'm still waiting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    For the Bitboys card I pre-ordered.

  17. Re:Need Dual AGPs.... by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 4, Funny

    Slashdot UIDs less than six digits are old and busted.

    Six digits plus is the way to go now, and yes, I am taking the piss out of your comment.

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  18. The V2 did not have triangle setup. by i41Overlord · · Score: 2, Informative

    I had one. It had no triangle setup. Nvidia was the first to come out with on-board triangle setup.

  19. Re:Need Dual AGPs.... by Cheeze · · Score: 4, Funny

    Watch your mouth, son....

    darn younguns, with their crazy slashdot comments. Back in my day......blah blah blah...gosh durnit.

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  20. Re:Gigabyte Dual Architecture by default+luser · · Score: 2, Informative

    Gotta second that, the GA-KNSNXP-939 was nothing but trouble, would refuse to run paired DDR 400 sticks at anything higher than 333, single-channel.

    Damn thing also didn't support Cool 'N Quiet properly.

    The sad thing is a board that was $50 cheaper ended up doing all of the above without batting an eye, and now I'm happy with my Asus A8V.

    I sure hope Gigabyte makes better video cards...I personally wouldn't touch this with a ten foot pole.

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  21. Re:Yes, but will there be drivers for Linux by BigBuckHunter · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If your gaming rig is running linux, then you will already know that the Nvidia 6629 already supports SLI

  22. no.. by destiney · · Score: 2, Interesting


    I strongly advise you to not do business with Gigabytes Technologies.

    Dealing with them on a bad motherboard (brand new) proved to take me nearly 3 months. Meanwhile _none_ of my emails or phone calls were _ever_ returned. They only took progressive action when I called them and waited to be spoken with. The support person even hung up on me once when the conversation became heated over the long wait time. They refused to send me a replacement/loaner motherboard and had no other alternatives for me but to sit and wait for the one I mailed to them via RMA to be repaired. Oh, and to even get the RMA I had to fax three different forms back to them and wait for approval, the process to get an RMA took about 4 days. Usually I can get an RMA over the phone, not with Gigabytes you won't.

    The board still does not work 100%, it only boots off whatever is plugged into the primary ide controller, even though the bios has many other options.

    This is a true story I swear.

    And Gigabytes, if you're reading this, I told you I would spread the word, and I am..

  23. Re:Need Dual AGPs.... by synaptik · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oh, jeez... here we go again...

    CmdrTaco will always win this UID pissing match.

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  24. Re:Need Dual AGPs.... by Malc · · Score: 3, Funny

    Shit: you're still alive? I thought I was old.

  25. Great availability by haraldm · · Score: 2, Informative

    "The card is cooled by two on-board fans." Suuuper. Really cool. Statistically, one out of two fans will fail twice as often as a single fan. In other words, the MTBF is halved, while the noise is raised by 3 dB. And the assembly doesn't exactly look like you can easily replace the fans by aftermarket fans. I wonder how this spiffy card performs when one of the GPUs blows up. But maybe the PCB has some predetermined breaking points to punch out a blown GPU. This will also reduce the blue light by 3 dB. Bad for gamers.

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