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How Can I Trust Firefox?

TheRealSlimShady writes "Peter Torr (who?) from Microsoft invites a certain flamewar with his essay 'How can I trust Firefox?' He raises some interesting security related points about the download and installation of Firefox, some of which should probably be addressed. The focus is on code signing, which Microsoft is hot on. Of course, the obvious question is 'Do I trust Firefox less than IE?'"

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  1. soggy toast posts first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    made with firefox - now with 100% more man-juice content!

  2. 1st! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    1st?

  3. FIRsT!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    first postie!

    1. Re:FIRsT!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      so fail it

  4. Re:Poll Troll Toll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Mod parent up. It provides valid statistical information while eliminating Mac users to the relevant data being collected.

  5. Anyone need a Gmail invite still? by jmcmunn · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Check the link below. These are honest to goodness invites. There are 30 of them...so move fast.

    http://www.jiggybyte.com/gmail.htm

    Enjoy. Sorry for the offtopic post.

  6. I trust... by isbhod · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    that not every one is an asshat(this assumption is based on persaonal experience...it of course may be wrong and during my exstenive travels across this world i may have been butt of a cruel joke by the gods of entropy and only allowed to have experiences the majority of which were of non asshats, but i digress). And that in the OS community that the non asshats outnumber the asshats (again this is based on personal experience). So i trust that if an OS community developed software were to have nontrustworthy coding, the non asshat computer geeks out there will find it and let the rest of the world know. I also trust in everyone's low tolerance level for asshatiness (Dr. Bernstein would be proud or that unfamiliar nosie, but again i digress). Once one encounters an asshat then all are made to be aware of the hasshat, such as "Troll" modifiers here at slashdot (that this post will undoubtedly get because moderators are such humorless as... again i digress ;) adn various other means, and the asshat is then advoided like the plauge. For example, how many people fall for the goat sex link anymore? So the point is, we are all humans, and for the majority we are all decent people. Yes there will always be the mentally unbalanced and the just down and out asshats, but they are the exception not the rule, and just because the exception gets the attention the mass information conduits we need to remind outselves that the information that splatters our news and media outlets are usually of these exceptions of the world, not the norm because they are not the norm. If we could learn to be content with hearing about the boring happenings then maybe we would have a better understanding of the world. Such as: Bob woke up, went to work, came home, cooked dinner, played Halo2, and went to sleep today, film at 11:00. Instead of Bill the homicidal maniac took an ax to his car and went running around town putting babies on spikes while his wife was left at home to count matches. When we becoem bombarded with stories of Bill instead of Bob we start to believe that all peopel are like Bill, when in reality there are millions of people like Bob to every person like Bill. But don't take my word for it, for that's who all this crap started in the first place, go find out for yourself. (but just in case the gods of entropy have a filed day with you bring a can a mace ;)

  7. Most Spies for Beijing are Taiwanese by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    Get the facts before you whine. The federal government has published a document detailing all the spies caught by the the FBI up to 2001. Looking at the document and combing the press during 2001-2004, we see that the majority of spies for Beijing are Taiwanese immigrants.

    The result is shocking but true. Equally shocking and true is the fact that 1 million Taiwanese have emigrated to mainland China.

  8. Re:Fun Facts Time! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    > PS; YHBT.

    Hahahaha. Responding with total, complete, utter sarcasm hardly qualifies as having been trolled.

    YAALT (you are a lame troll)

  9. Because most spies for Beijing are Taiwanese... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    You asked, "Why?" The answer is that most spies stealing American military technology to give to Beijing are Taiwanese immigrants. The facts are a matter of the court record.

    1. Re:Because most spies for Beijing are Taiwanese... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
      Thank you for the chance to refer to the web site, again. The site merely lists some links to Western news sources like the "Los Angeles Times". The site offers no analysis.

      The facts are very damning. The names of the Taiwanese spies are identified, and there are links to Western news sources identifying them.

      So, who is lying? "Los Angeles Times" or an anonymous Taiwanese like "ryen" on SlashDot? I believe that "ryen" is lying.

  10. hey gates by rock_climbing_guy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Bill, you can take off the mask now.

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    Wh47 d1d j00 541, 31337 15n't t3h r0xor5 ne m0r3???
  11. Put up or Shut up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    Please identify the flaw in the sources. You have not done so because there are no flaws.

    The question is one of integrity. There are ample Western sources identifying Taiwanese spies helping Beijing, so the idea of Taiwanese programmers helping Beijing is not farfetched. In fact, the Western source called the "New York Times" states clearly that 1 million Taiwanese have emigrated (yes, emigrated) to mainland China.

    Who is lying? "New York Times" or an anonymous "tekunokurato" at SlashDot? I believe that "tekunokurato" is lying.

  12. -1 Offtopic Re:Random servers by IO+ERROR · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    Yeah, it's pretty sad. I get modded down all the time. Check out these egregious examples of bizarre moderation (keeping in mind the starting score of 2):

    And let's not even get into my rejected story submissions.

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    How am I supposed to fit a pithy, relevant quote into 120 characters?
  13. Re:Yeah, right. by cheekyboy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    And their pension funds probably invested 80% of their life savings in MS too.

    Poor old people....

    Buy some gold damn it, never fails. last 18months beat all indices, even warren buffet buys 100m onces of Silver (larger gains possible since its an industrial metal also).

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  14. Re:Yeah, right. by a11 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    umm, sure, a port scanner.

  15. The 10 immutable laws of coporations by nysus · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    10. If a large coporation can fuck you out of a penny, they will.

    9. Corporations will break anti-trust laws if they can make more money than adhering to their letter and spirit.

    8. Corporations are prone to the blind following of rantings and ravings of men who have an immature needs to feel important.

    7. #8 is only true because a) real people with real-sized egos have to feed their wives and children OR b) the employee is also an asshole with an overwhelming need to feel important.

    6. Corporations just don't give a fuck about anything but making money.

    5. Corporations will shift the blame onto consumers they create if they think the can get away with it. See Microsoft's 10 Immutable Laws of Security: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/archive/community /columns/security/essays/10imlaws.mspx

    4. In the coporate world, there is no truth, just good PR and bad PR. If good PR and the truth coincide, it's by coincidence only.

    3. The people who rise to the top in corporations are those who are best at and enjoy playing mind fuck games with those they perceive as mentally inferior. This includes making people feel appreciated when the reality is they are actually kind of despised for being so dumb as to actually feel appreciated.

    2. Corporations (and the men with small penises that run them) have created the cynical environment that cause people to despise them so much.

    1. Corporations are not a panacea. By themselves, they cannot change the world and can quite literally destroy it if there is no oversight of these powerful entities.

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    ---Technology will liberate us if it doesn't enslave us first.