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The Media in 2014

Alexandre Van de Sande writes "Robin Sloan made a flash video as a "documentary" of how big enterprises like google and amazon converged medias and changed the way we see news by 2014. It's a vision of what could be (or will be) the world with personalized media, made by peers, and the guy knows what's going on on those big heads. It ends with a sad view on which, althought some people get their news in a way they could never before, most of them just get a bunch of untrue gossip and sensasionalist trivia. And that's exactly what they wanted." This will take a few minutes to watch, but stick it out to the end. I think there's a lot in there that you really should think about.

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  1. Small problem by duffbeer703 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Amazon and Google are already beginning to become cluttered with useless features (particularly Amazon).

    You may be able to get personalized news... but like 6 people will be able to figure out how to find the right page or widget to click on if Amazon does it.

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    Conformity is the jailer of freedom and enemy of growth. -JFK
    1. Re:Small problem by duffbeer703 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm not knocking the features... I'm knocking the interfaces.

      Amazon in the last year or two has become extremely cluttered and more difficult to use. Its hard to find features that you want, and other common features are missing. (try cancelling an order)

      Google Groups are another case of something made too complicated. The interface is intrusive, distracting and makes it more difficult to get at the information that you want.

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      Conformity is the jailer of freedom and enemy of growth. -JFK
  2. Re:Already there? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    toss in a open-source reference or two and you've got /.

  3. and that's different from now? by hodet · · Score: 2, Insightful
    "It ends with a sad view on which....most of them just get a bunch of untrue gossip and sensasionalist trivia."

    Not sure how this is different from CNN et al now.

  4. Irony is ... by Richard+Allen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That "journalistic ethics" will somehow be lost if The New York Times were to go away.

    What a claim! LOL!

    1. Re:Irony is ... by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'll take The New York Times over Fox "News" any time. The former was badly let down by one reporter whereas the latter has made an art form of combining half-truths and lies to present what it calls "the facts".

      How many times did Fox claim that WMDs had been found in Iraq? It became a running joke in our house to guess how long it would be until they made their next false discovery.

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      "Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
  5. Gossip? Trivia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    most of them just get a bunch of untrue gossip and sensasionalist trivia
    You mean the millions who refuse to trust CNN because it's a Republican tool -- but they have complete trust in some random guy writing a midnight blog about how Bush planned 9/11 himself? Oh, that's 2004 already. The future is sadder than you think.
  6. Note to the editors by paranode · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Here's a piece I thought was pretty true:

    "...some people get their news in a way they could never before, most of them just get a bunch of untrue gossip and sensasionalist trivia. And that's exactly what they wanted."

    And then: I think there's a lot in there that you really should think about.

    Next time Slashdot thinks about posting some "news" from a sensationalist random guy's blog, please remember how hard you thought about this and we'll all appreciate it!

  7. The media in 2014 by BigHungryJoe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Will they completely failed the American people like the media in 2004? In other words, will they allow an arrogant, rogue administration like the failed Bush administration to lie, inveigle, and obfuscate their way into a war with Iraq?

  8. Re:I'm sorry but... by TarrVetus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But the guy has a good sense of humour: the guy on the Googlezon ID card is called Winston Smith!

    I don't think that's a sense of humor--he's making a point. Epic 2014 is the modern media version of 1984. I can honestly say I was horrified by this film and just how real its prophesies could be. After all, even if Google doesn't do it, you know someone else will; this is such a profitable venture a company would have to be crazy to pass it up.

  9. Could be good... could be bad by eno2001 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One of my favorite quotes from the Blade Runner is "Replicants are like any other technology. They're either a benefit or a hazard". Replace "replicants" with "media convergence" and we have a good cautionary phrase to keep in mind.

    Way back before there were books (pre-Gutenberg), reading was only for the rich. More importantly, information, communication and news were for the rich. If we don't watch it, the balance could tip that way again. Taking into account that computers have the potential to be used as a benefit or a hazard to mankind, we really should look at these sorts of things with a very cautious eye.

    There are plenty of people here on Slashdot and in the real world who feel that access to information (be it movies, music, news, source code, what have you) should be limited to those who can afford it. Anyone who can't is obviously a failure at life and doesn't deserve access. These are people who want to see public libraries disappear. They are people who want to see open source/free softwaer die off or be made illegal. They don't believe it is their responsibility to help others. But the question arises... why do these people feel this way?

    I think there are two distinct groups. The first group (much smaller in size, with a lot of money and therefore with much more to lose) are the people who own and profit from systems that are counter to the spirit of free and equal access for all. These are people who feel that they have the right to make as much profit from their inventions/productions/IP with no concern for fairness (ie, there is a point where you've made enough money and you can stop). These people have let the worst traits of humanity overtake them: greed and selfishness. They believe they are entitled to much more than their efforts are worth simply because they are somehow "better" than everyone else and "know more" than everyone else.

    The second group are people who believe that if they support this kind of system, that they have a chance at eventually becoming just like the people mentioned in the first group. What a thing to aspire to! Can you imagine actually WANTING to be the kind of person who restricts and controls others based on money? Personally, I think it's some kind of sickness. The problem with this second group is that they have no understanding of how the deck is stacked heavily against them. They might be given a token "success" in a local sort of way, but that has far less value than either doing something that helps others in the world (free/open source software, FREE public libraries, volunteer work, etc...) or doing something personal for your family (building your own furniture, growing your own food, etc...).

    The sad thing about the second group is that they are largely failures. Failed business ventures, money lost on investments that they don't understand that were managed by people who DON'T want to help them. These things are unavoidable if you approach life with the goal of getting rich. It is far better to approach your life with the view that you want to enrich your mind and the minds of those around you.

    Money should take a back seat since intellect leads to adaptability and adaptability means you can live comfortably no matter what the circumstances. The key is in knowledge and intelligence, not money. I believe this is the message that we should be drumming into people's heads. But it's been drowned out by the ever bleating cry of the modern "capitalist" who puts the value of money above all else. How else can you explain the worship of the stupid? Pro wrestlers are heroes? George W. Bush is an intelligent man? Criminals who have a second occupation as musicians are idols? Reality television that bears no resemblance to reality?

    Intelligence and access to knowledge are only problems to the people in group one mentioned above. They fear the concept of an informed and intelligent consumer/public. They are scared shitless of the idea that some people may awaken from their stupor an

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    1. Re:Could be good... could be bad by Wateshay · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And here I thought I use money to purchase goods and services from others so that I didn't have to waste time making them myself, and could instead spend my time pursuing things that actually interested me. I guess I was actually doing it to enrich my corporate masters. I'm now more informed. Thank you eno2001.

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    2. Re:Could be good... could be bad by charleyb123 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      This is such a trite argument (the elite are
      focused on money, good/smart people fail because
      their affairs are being managed by others who
      don't want to help them, successful people can
      only be successful by keeping everybody else
      in their place).

      If you don't understand the world, then I
      understand how you might think it's a scary
      place. You seem to want a 'utopia' where people
      think and do what you want them to think and do.
      Why not let others pursue their dreams, and you
      do the same, and quit complaining that your life
      is bad because of stuff *they* are doing?
      Unless they are taking your freedoms or taxing
      your life away, your life is your own (so
      complaining about "The Man" is a waste of time).

    3. Re:Could be good... could be bad by mutterc · · Score: 2, Insightful
      ...make as much profit from their inventions/productions/IP with no concern for fairness (ie, there is a point where you've made enough money and you can stop).
      This is the difference between small and big business. Here I measure that difference in the number of investors (1 for sole proprietorships, infinitely many for publically-traded companies).

      Small business can act ethically, consider fairness, make "enough" money and no more, etc. (Note that this doesn't mean they will have good ethics; the company's ethics will simply reflect those of the controlling people). There are plenty of small businesses that care about delivering a quality product, and have no desire to dominate the world.

      Once you get over a certain number of investors, enough of them will be in it just for the money that the business cannot behave ethically (the degenerate case is the pubically-traded corporation, which must grow shareholder value at a continually-increasing rate, forever). This means there will never be "enough" money made by one of these entities, so they will have to turn to "unethical" (i.e. socially-irresponsible) behavior to keep growing (deliver less to the consumer while keeping prices up, treat employees worse, drive down product quality, etc.)

  10. Absolutely not by daveschroeder · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you're one of those people who thinks that the US mainstream press doesn't report "the truth" and is completely "in the pocket" of corporations and/or government, then you're already part of the problem. I find the following excerpt from a story on the (ridiculously blatantly false) theory that Flight 77 really didn't crash into the Pentagon on 9/11 extremely relevant:

    It is safe to say that the thesis advocated by Thierry Meyssan, that Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon, is a tour de force of obfuscation and misinterpretation. Meyssan has nevertheless attracted a bevy of adherents who have based their own interpretations and theories on his. Just how prevalent this theory has become can be confirmed quickly with a Web search. Such a search turns up very little useful information but returns a veritable mountain of misinformation.

    This, in fact, underscores the problem. Modern society is awash in a rapidly expanding sea of information, and it has become increasingly more difficult to identify information that is reliable, factual and useful. Nevertheless, it is essential to identify reliable information sources and carefully evaluate their material. What is the background of the source? Does the source have a track record of reliability? Is the story verifiable? Are witnesses named, or are they anonymous? Does the story match known or observed phenomena, or does it run counter to these? Are there elements of the story that you know to be true -- or know not to be true? Has the source consistently employed fallacious reasoning?

    Failure to carefully weigh the reliability of information sources by asking these and other questions exposes patriotic Americans to the possibility of being misled and marginalized, an outcome to be avoided if the tide toward collectivism is to be reversed.


    "Bloggers" have no obligation to report all sides of a story, all the facts of a story, or even any facts at all. And it seems that many people are content to read blogs as gospel, and seek out information that reinforces their preconceived notions about a particular topic.

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    The rest of this message is a footnote for people who *actually believe* that Flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon on 9/11, since some retards will inevitably respond with things like "Um, dude, you're seriously deluded if you believe the official propaganda about what happened on 9/11", etc.:

    Here was an email that I wrote up before, in response to the ridiculous flash move that's been circulating:

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    The problem here is the way the flash movie was done. First of all, some of the images in the movie were edited from the original photographs to support the author's view of events. Second, the only quotes from witnesses in the flash movie are selectively picked - from HUNDREDS of statements - to support the "missile" theory. Additionally, the author even contradicts himself, including statements about a missile, AND a "small" or "commuter" plane. (Well, which is it?)

    Let's take a step back for a moment:

    1. There were dozens upon dozens of eyewitness reports who say that a commercial jetliner was what crashed into the Pentagon. These were all just ordinary people, going about their business in the DC area, some affiliated with government and/or miltary, some not. Of the witnesses who say it "sounded" like a missile (note the word "sounded"): how is that even relevant? I ask because of the obvious: how many of these people even know what a missile "sounds" like? How many people have heard a commercial jetliner just hundreds of feet (and at some point, tens of feet) off the ground travelling at ~400-500mph? And to repeat, many, many, many people reported directly seeing an American Airlines commercial jetliner.

    2. All of the "conspiracy" reports talk about how "no wreckage" was found at the scene. That is patently false. There was TONS of Boeing 757 wreckage recovered, in total, from the Pentagon. Ironically, here are even large pieces of 757 wreckage visi

  11. Re:Already there? by miu · · Score: 1, Insightful
    Isn't this already true for the American "real press"?

    And it is not just "People" and junk like like that. Go to the cnn page and you will see the MOTW version of the news - stalkers and kidnappings and scandal. That stuff is very important to the people involved and is very sad, but it is not news - it's gossip. What little real news is present is like baby food, bland, mushy, and inoffensive.

    I really have no idea where to get good news - google news is the closest thing I've found, but I wind up wading through so much right wing and left wing crap that it just doesn't seem worth it.

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  12. Re:Huh? by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So what you're saying is that Fox News didn't hesitate to cry "fire!" whenever there was the slightest opportunity whereas CNN, MSNBC, BBC News, etc took their time (a whole 15-30 minutes!) to verify the facts before making wild claims.

    And you saying that that's a good thing? That Fox is happy to put put any information, no matter if it's right or wrong, as long as it gets it out first?

    Do I need to remind you that this thread started as a discussion about journalistic integrity?

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    "Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
  13. No they didn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You sound like the arrogant one. What role, exactly, do you think the media "failed" in fulfilling? Smearing Bush even more than they did? Fahrenheit 9/11 was too "objective" for you? Dan Rather's forged documents not "incisive"-enough journalism?

    Oh, you must mean that the media "completely failed" by not proclaiming Kerry the winner, even though he lost. Gotcha. Yeah, here in the US we have this thing called representational government. It says despots like you don't always get your way, when a lot of other people disagree.

  14. There's a difference? by Quila · · Score: 2, Insightful

    most of them just get a bunch of untrue gossip and sensasionalist trivia

    And how is this different from network news today?

  15. Re:How to cancel an order on Amazon by kitty+tape · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So you're objecting to the fact that they have streamlined the process so you get your products faster? If you buy items that ship within 24 hours, you have to expect that in at most 24 hours (assuming they're not running behind) you'll be unable to cancel your order.

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  16. Re:Huh? by kitty+tape · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The problem with that approach is that people are more likely to believe the initial reporting and miss or even willfully ignore corrections. Which is more memborable? Big glaring graphics and shouts of "We found them!" or the much more sober presentation of "Well, maybe we were wrong.".

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  17. You are uninformed. by Bora+Horza+Gobuchol · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Actually, NPR was a bastion of left-think

    Define your terms, and provide examples. From a foreign perspective, NPR seems rigorously balanced. More importantly, they go in-depth on subjects that standard news organisations simply won't touch.

    Clinton's elimination of the Fairness Doctrine

    The Fairness Doctrine was eliminated under Reagan, not Clinton.

    ...and now the Mob has seen through the bread and circuses, picked up javelins, and become bloggers.

    And how is your typical blogger any more informed or connected than a journalist?

    Now, everybody has their own AP/UPI feed

    Which is fed by who? Journalists

    Once, everybody who became a professional journalist did so not because he wanted to present world events in a fair and balanced manner, but because he wanted to influence world events, crusade for a cause, and be a celebrity. Then, journalists had to pretend they had interestes other than their own in mind. Soon, they can cease pretending completely.

    Error of generalisation. Also, you are saying that things have actually improved, in the sense that the attempt at masquerade is increasingly dropped.

    Every major news outlet ceases delivering "the news" in primetime as they currently do, and instead they are all attempting to imitate the success of Bill O'Reilly on Fox...

    I don't disagree. But that is a symptom of the Cult of Celebrity, rather than the nature of news.

  18. Re:Huh? by Bora+Horza+Gobuchol · · Score: 3, Insightful
    > FNC is one of the several channels on in my office all day. They only claimed WMD were possibly found when a source within the government, military, or other source in Iraq claimed WMD were possibly found.

    Quite correct. And this is the problem. A good journalist - or a good news organisation - is cynical, even suspicious, when handed a story. They ask questions like - Can this be verified by a secondary (outside) source? As originally told, how does this story benefit the original source? Are there details missing that could be important to the context of the story?

    The problem is that Fox News doesn't question Republican government sources. They are notorious in softballing the Bush administration - and they happily swallow whatever pabulum the administration happens to be feeding that day.

    The difference with FNC is that they reported on things much earlier and with less verification, resulting in less reliable news at any point in time, but MORE TIMELY news over an extended period of time....And no, they don't just silently sweep it away, they often spent the next several hours saying that the initial reports were inaccurate.

    What would you rather have - verified, accurate, and time-delayed news... or up-to-the-minute, unfiltered, error-filled hysteria and hyperbole?

  19. Re:Like Dan Rather and... by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not that it excuses Bill Clinton's draft-dodging, but I think Dubya not fulfilling his commitment and then using his service as some badge of honour is worse.

    After all, it's not like Dubya's daddy didn't do a good job of making sure junior was out of danger by getting him a placement in the ANG where he was in no danger whatsoever, is it? I find the fact that he was onto a cushy number yet still failed to do what little was asked of him incredible.

    That someone who showed such little regard for duty then is now the Commander-In-Chief responsible for sending young men off to die in an unnecessary and illegal war, all whilst cutting their pay and benefits, is the sickest joke.

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    "Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg