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Following up on Torrent Shutdowns
dantheman82 and others have submitted a number of links about the recent closure of torrent mega sites like suprnova and torrentbits.
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Unofficial Suprnova Closure FAQ comments that some torrent site maintainers have been arrested and that Suprnova was closed over fear of similiar fate.
DeHavilland notes that the finnish police raided an unnamed torrent site. There's a lot of scary things here, but to me what is most scary is that American copyright owners can mobilize foreign police to do their bidding.
I can really say this is scarry. I mean, huge. I have never felt this way since 9/11, and that's saying a lot. This is really bad for free distrabution of information. Lets hope the EFF gets on this.
they want you 7o
just like printing your own cash isn't stealing.
How dare the police come with guns to take criminals away! Sounds like you'd fit right in over in Europe, land of corrupt governments.
lol europeons are teh suxx0r
You stupid mother fucker. Why don't you just keep your dumb mouth shut?
Boohooohoo American Corporations can mobilize foreign police to do their bidding.
My guess is that the only reason you find this ok is that you're an American citizen. I'm fairly sure that most people who live in countries other than America aren't too keen to have us push our fucked up legal system onto them. But... In the spirit of being a good American, it appears you only care about yourself, and aren't thinking of how this impacts others.
These sites were CLEARLY offering illegal content.
You're a moron, did you know that? An ignorant moron... These sites were simply indexing what's being offered by others. If one were to go by your variety of logic, eBay should be shut down also since stolen good have been offered on it in the past.
Closing these sites down doesn't remove one bit of content from being offered. For that matter, you can find torrents on Google also. Should we shut them down as well?
Media in 2014, you see the news you want to see I guess. I guess everyone here just wants to here about how evil M$ are, and horrible EA is, and woohooo go Open Source and whatnot.
Question for Slashdot moderators: Why was the guy, further up in this thread, who asked whether this was the start of a one-world government modded down as a troll, yet this goober gets rated to 4 with insightful? He's probably hiding under a bridge right now, as I type this.
The truth hurts.
It might, but you'd never know.
Please enlighten me with your wisdom as to how this is affecting others.
You're a moron, did you know that? An ignorant moron... These sites were simply indexing what's being offered by others. If one were to go by your variety of logic, eBay should be shut down also since stolen good have been offered on it in the past.
Closing these sites down doesn't remove one bit of content from being offered. For that matter, you can find torrents on Google also. Should we shut them down as well?
That's great and all, that they were just "indexing" the information. Yeah the actual servers for the torrents were hosted on different sites, wooptiedoo! Does it matter? They were a portal for illegal content, illegal is illegal, wether you are providing it, or providing a way to get it.
The truth hurts.
It might, but you'd never know.
Yeah, you wouldn't either.
Stealing is Stealing
You can not rationalize stealing. If you stole something from someone, then you stole it, you didn't "deprive them of a theoritical sale"
I don't get it, why is it OK to buy one CD then subsequently hand out the tracks to everyone in the world? Just because it's easy doesn't make it right.
If you buy a PDF or ebook of some sort, is it OK to give a copy to anyone who asks for it?
Self awareness - try it!
This should be a civil matter, not a criminal one.
Trafficking in stolen goods is a crime. Why should the online equivalent not be a crime?
And please, don't answer with anything that can basically be boiled down to "because I want stuff for free."
I write in my journal
But copyright infringment is not stealing.
Okay, I can already see where this is going. You're going to completely ignore the actual meaning of the word "stealing" (that is, taking without permission) and define it as being dependent on deprivation.
To illustrate the absurdity of your position, I will then define "murder" as "being a jackass in a public forum" and argue that you should be sentenced to life in prison.
You're then going to call me a troll and a tool of the establishment that's trying to keep you down.
At that point, everyone will point and laugh at your neo-hippie act.
Did I pretty much get it right?
I write in my journal
You put a lot of thought into explaining yourself into an endless loop of trite crap to defend one of the most corrupt world leaders ever.
.agrippa.
I marvel at your ability to transverse google looking for whatever straws to grasp at in order to defend your clearly delusional concept of world events.
I never said what Reagan did was good, I said at least he could defend himself saying it was national interest. Kofi Annan, his son, his personal staff were all involved in a scheme to SELL BAD FOOD TO IRAQIS FOR KICKBACKS. I can't believe your audacity to defend that type of action. Ohh, only 5 billion was made off feeding Iraqis bad food! It wasn't that bad (never mind that its estimated at 23 billion by international investigations, not 5)! You sir, sicken me.
Wake up and smell the roses. Your hero Annan couldn't, or wouldn't, intervene in mass genocide in Africa, slaughter in Croatia, etc, WHILE LEADING THE ONLY WORLD BODY EVER CREATED TO DEAL WITH SUCH SITUATIONS, but oh boy, is he fast to give amnesty to his friends that knowningly sell rotten food. At best, he's a useless tool, at worst, he's a criminal.
To illustrate the absurdity of your position, I will then define "murder" as "being a jackass in a public forum" and argue that you should be sentenced to life in prison.
You're then going to call me a troll and a tool of the establishment that's trying to keep you down.
No, I'd call you an asshole, and a retarded one at that.
OK... I'll bite.
1) This has been true for as long as the concept of money has existed. Possibly longer. The only reason its any different now is because
2) The rich get richer. Now a few have so much wealth, so much money, that they can talk louder than anyone has ever been able to in the past.
3) Uh. Ok.
4) The poor do not get poorer. Neither in dollars (replace with favorite currency) or in real wealth. Sure, some have, you could fill many screens with personal anecdotes, but on the whole the poor have gotten richer. Not nearly as fast as the rich have gotten richer, however.
People frequently point out that the "gap" between the rich and the poor is growing. It is, pretty slowly, believe it or not, but it is growing.
However, its growing only because the average wealthy individual is gaining faster than the average poor individual is gaining.
You see, the total amount of value in the world is not fixed. It is possible to have an exchange in which one person buys something from another, and both become wealthier (in terms of value -- sometimes even marketable value) than before. This is because people can create things of value from parts of lesser value.
In many (not all) cases, as the rich become richer, they drag everybody else up with them.
5) Sometimes yes, sometimes no.