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Samsung Announces Zero Dead Pixel Policy
Kez writes "A result for the consumer as Samsung declares any TFT that they sell from today onwards should be guaranteed dead pixel free. Until now, purchasing a TFT has been a gamble, given that dead pixels, while extremely annoying, did not necessarily entitle the consumer to a replacement monitor. Unfortunately, anybody who bought a Samsung TFT before today is not covered by the new policy." Update: 01/01 19:49 GMT by M : The new policy only applies in S. Korea. Suck.
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Why aren't the 1600x1200 flat panel LCD monitors more popular? Why do people put up with the crappy 1280x1024 resolution with a 20" monitor? Laptops have better resolution than most desktops these days. Very strange.
Logical step are ...
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1) they raise the price of samsung monitor
2) they wait inspection before applying Samsung sticker to monitor and send those that fail to other brand
I am a REAL American from Canada , not a wanna-be from the country , self called "last remaining superpower" "of America
Lots of people notice them, and when they complain, they are told that 1 or 2 is an acceptable number due to the manufacturing process.
Hopefully Samsung's actions will set a standard for other's to follow.
Dead Pixels Policy: Replacement or Refund for 8 or more DEAD PIXELS ONLY!
Now I admit, maybe they haven't gotten "the memo" yet.
According to the article (which is really just a message board post), it's any that are purchased from today on, and it extends to six months after purchase. This is a major step forward for consumers, as it will save a lot of money for those of us who can't deal with the blemish of a couple dead pixels.
That's from Newegg.com themselves, if you want Samsung's replacement policy, you don't contact the merchant, you would call Samsung.
I can't seem to find a samsung source that says this? But it is very very nice, and about time, I think! Nowhere else do you buy products that are slightly defect (and still very expensive!)...
Any technology distinguishable from magic, is insufficiently advanced.
i never had a 15"+ lcd without a single dead pixel.
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depends on type of "dead". those that have a colour permanently on will be very obvious e.g. constant red pixel.
I saw a LCD TV a while ago in a PC shop. I was amazed by the obviousness of dead pixels it had. not a huge number, but immediately distracting since it was showing a TV programme with constantly changing pictures instead of a static desktop. not the best way to attract customers.
Why anyone would ever actually believe that you couldn't return an LCD (or laptop) with a dead pixel. This is a manufacturing defect, plain and simple. Every customer expects there will be NO dead pixels, so my guess is that proving to a court of law that a dead pixel is a de facto breach of various implied warranties (and probably express warranties that come with the unit as well) would not be difficult.
Any decent credit card will likely supply the consumer with enough tools to reject a charge for such an item, if refused. Further, if pushed, I sincerely doubt any company would believe that they could win in a case where they're trying to foist an obviously defective monitor on someone by claiming that the defect is really bad enough to be a defect. Right. Most states provide a damages multiplier for unfair business practices such as this. This means if push actually did come to shove and you had to go to small claims court, you'd get double or triple your money back.
My guess? Samsung realizes the above to be true, and is trying to play this to their advantage.
Here's a sign of the times. A Korean company is the first to announce a zero dead-pixel policy, a gesture of confidence sure to make an impression on customers and industry peers alike. Meanwhile, does anybody care to tell how many LCD monitors were even manufactured in the United States last year?
"OH SHIT, THERE'S A HORSE IN THE HOSPITAL!"
Given that there's undoubtedly still going to be a few monitors produced with dead pixels, are they going to supply thier otherwise worthless screens to other vendors for sale at a discount? And then would the consumer ever see these savings?
Further - how hard will it be for them to weasel out of the "no dead pixel" policy? After all, should something happen during shipping or in the hands of the retailer, are they going to let themselves be held responsible for damage that they may or may not have had anything to do with?
Perhaps I'm being overly skeptical on the last part there, but questions are made to be asked, after all.
P.S. does anyone else think op is trying to bring that forum down...
origin of the news, have no idea how trustworthy it is: http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200412 /200412300018.html
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> most customers probably wont even notice 1 or 2 dead pixels..happy 2005
Sorry, but that's just not true. "dead" pixels do one of two things. They either stick open or stick closed. The end result is that you have a dot on the screen that either is very obviously dark when the surrounding material is light, or vice-versa.
While this isn't terribly noticible when playing movies or video games, it is quite noticible when using most traditional 2D desktop apps. A dark pixel in the middle of your otherwise mostly white word-processing session becomes obvious.
Case-in-point is the support wires in Sony Trinitron monitors. Very, very fine horizontal lines at the 1/3 and 2/3 levels on the screen are used to hold a mesh in place which gives the Trinitron series a great display. Every Trinitron style screen I've ever sold, I got asked, immediately, what the story was with the lines. Most customers balked somewhat, but all eventually agreed to live with it.
Dead pixels are, in fact, defects. I don't intend to purchase a defective product out of the box. A product should be free of manufacturing faults for the period of its warranty, or be replaced/repaired. Cosmetic damage to say a bezel, or a power cord is trivial to ignore, but a dead pixel is a flaw in the display's ability to display accurately what it's told to.
As such, I will never buy a laptop or LCD without being allowed to first verify its display is without flaw. A retailer who refuses to allow me to confirm the proper functioning of the device before purchase/departure is a retailer who loses my business. Period.
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Although we're talking about slightly different technology here, I've got a Samsung DLP TV. Although they haven't stated it in writing as such, from what I can gather they've been extremely good to people who have experienced "dead pixels" on their DLP sets. I haven't had any problems at all with mine (find wood, knock, repeat), but I know some people who have had the "light engines" in their sets replaced by Samsung due to dead pixels. With getting fixed pixel technology off the ground, Samsung has been reasonably consumer friendly. It doesn't suprise me that they're taking the high road here as a differentiator from their competition.
Sony on the other hand has been very stingy with their LCD sets as far as dead pixels go. Apparantly they find some number of dead pixels to be acceptable. I don't know what the threshold is, but I know that LCD sets have a reputation for dead pixels and that Sony hasn't been particularly good about getting it resolved.
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--- What parts of "shall make no law", "shall not be infringed", and "shall not be violated" don't you understand?
This link here is to Samsungs page on dead pixel policy (last updated 2004-06-18) and has no mention of this "new" policy. It still stands that they won't replace an in warranty monitor as follows:
...I was looking at some LCDs recently.
Good 19" LCD (1280x1024): 4500NOK / 650$
Good 20" LCD (1600x1200): 8000NOK / 1150$
Now, that is including 24% VAT and whatnot so forget about comparing them to US prices. But the ratio should be about the same. You have to pay a damn lot extra to get that 1" and additional resolution. We're talking very different price points, and there's no doubt which one is "mass market" and which one is not...
Kjella
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I currently own 4 15.4" Neovo brand LCD screen I bought for half of their market price. They were discounted by a regional distributor. Two of them have a hot pixel (means always ON) and the two others have a dead pixel. I chosed ones that had this defects at edges, so for most application it does'nt bother at all.
In fact I used one of the in my kitchen, after all, if a LCD screen get hit, burnt or whatever, I prefer it to be a cheap one. So after all, there is room for nitpickers, and room for smart people.
I remember that Apple has a dead pixel policy many years ago for the early powerbooks that also would not replace units with only a few dead pixels on the LCD displays. Some 133t individuals figured out how to patch the SCSI/HD driver with some code to fake some (more) bad pixels. Since it was in the HD driver, it ran even if you booted from a floppy. I think they called this the "warranty manager" or something witty like that.
will Samsung employees make it difficult to claim this policy, as in having to contact the guy's manager's manager's manager just to get started? I've heard similar stories such as Apple's customer service refusing to return Cinema Displays initially.
It would be cool if it didn't suck.
...and you see that in other areas as well, e.g. CPUs. Those who pass the most rigorous stability tests become server chips, the others may (unless scrap) be sold as desktops. Or binned in some other fashion.
I mean, for many uses an LCD with a dead pixel or five is completely acceptable. For others it is not. I very much doubt they'll throw away a screen with a single dead pixel. It has simply too much value.
Kjella
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
Yes -- look for dead pixels on a white background, then change the background color to black and look for pixels that are stuck on. The latter part may be easier if you try several backgrounds with different solid colors.
What the anonymous coward said about a checkerboard does not make sense to me -- how is it easier to look for dead pixels when every other pixel is off? (And same logic applies to pixels stuck on.) However, his method is good for auto-adjusting LCD color, which is another discussion.
The zero dead pixel policy is currently only available in Korea.
Easy: you alternate between black-on-white and white-on-black checkerboards at a high enough frequency that your visual system sees only a solid grey color on the display. Dead pixels (or hot pixels) on even-numbered x,y coords will show up in one pattern, but not the other, and vice versa for odd-numbered dead pixels, leading to a noticeable overall darkening of dead pixels due to the high frequency alternation.
Apple's policy is not on the public record, but it can best be summed up by "the more annoying the pixels, the more likely it is to be considered unacceptable". (I've read the policy, it's quite reasonable) You have to take a display into an Apple service center for the tech to reference the policy to determine if the display is considered defective. This is probably to take the burdon off Apple where customers might try to stretch the wording of a quality policy beyond reason. They may say yes or no to a description given to them over the phone, but I haven't tried that. But for certain, Apple does not have a zero-dead-pixel policy.
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None ... The United States make absolutely nothing in the entire computer industry entirely in the United States. Assembled from others part yes , manufactured none , even the PowerPC from IBM have some parts made oversea and in Canada.
There are only two company making LCD or ODM:
Samsungs
Phillips
the rest are sub-brand from the two above.
I am a REAL American from Canada , not a wanna-be from the country , self called "last remaining superpower" "of America
In general, when shopping for an LCD monitor, look for low power-consumption, small screen-pitch (less than or equal to 0.26), and at least a three-year warranty.
But before you buy a Samsung LCD monitor, get your hands on the repair manual (PDFs can be found if you are good at using Google). In the parts diagram, ensure that the LCD screen and the screen controller circuit-board are SHOWN separately and can therefore be PURCHASED separately.
I am stuck with a Samsung TFT 770 whose screen is perfect but the screen-controller board has failed. They are considered by Samsung to be ONE part, although the LCD screen is worth over $600 and the screen-controller is likely worth $15.
Rich And Stupid is not so bad as Working For Rich And Stupid.
Until now, purchasing a TFT has been a gamble, given that dead pixels, while extremely annoying, did not necessarily entitle the consumer to a replacement monitor
Whatever. Philips have been offering a zero dead pixel guarantee on all their DVI monitors for years. They only cost $20 - $50 more than the cheapo analogue ones and here in NZ they also come with a 3 year on site warranty.
thats because when they are testing the cpus, they test them before certain things are setup, they test them with a certain amount of cache for example, if it passes it can be sold for more money if it fails they have to reduce the cache until its stable, either making it a xeon, p4 or celeron. (depending on the cache and bus speeds they set) since all 3 cpus use the same core and very similar pin setups they can test these before the final product is done.
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I'd consider that wasteful. I'd be happy to buy a monitor with say 10 dead pixels at halfprice or so.
Recently, here in India the LCD of my laptop (bought in the US) went bust. HP replaced it for about US$350 (it was out of warranty), and the replacement has a pixel that's permanently red. Initially I found that annoying but now I don't even notice it. Very possibly they knew it was defective and that's why it was relatively cheap: I believe replacing a laptop screen costs at least $1000 in the US (and this one is a very good 1400x1050 15.3" screen), and that's not counting labour, I remember being told (by CompUSA, I think) that it costs $200 just to get someone to open the laptop and look at it if it's out of warranty.
If I'm right and it was cheap for that reason, I don't see why they can't formalise the process and sell "defective" monitors cheap. There could be quite a demand.
How many dead bits per megabyte of ram do you find acceptable in your computer?
They whose government reduces their essential liberties for temporary security, receive neither liberty nor security.
Dead bits in RAM is an actual performance and stability issue. Dead pixels are cosmetic, and barely so. (Unless there is like 5 or more, then its unacceptable)
Uhh.. thanks. I'd never noticed those lines until now. Crap.
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I think there's a legal loophole that may allow ANY monitor with dead pixels to be returned, under a 'false advertising claim.' For instance, say the monitor says it can display, "1024x768" pixels, this is equivalent to 786,432 pixels. But if you have 2 dead pixels, then your monitor only displays 186,430 pixels. Well, the manufacture told you it can display 2 more pixels than yours actually does- and this is false advertising. It should make no difference if they say, "Our policy is that you must have 3 or more dead pixels to be able to return this product." This is only my guess though, any legally inclined people know if this would fly?
It's probably too late to get any mod points on this but for any of those late viewers who happen to see this...
This is something I completely did not expect. I often buy the latest and greatest thing to get an idea for trends and which ones would stick and new ideas for development. A lot of them turn out as busts but the ones that work really pay off. One of my more recent acqusitions was a 1920x1200 monitor.
It is a Samsung one that can flip into a vertical display mode.
Well, my intent was to only use it in horizontal mode. In fact, I originally bought the Mac 1920x1200 widescreen but returned it due to connector compatibility problems which they didn't document.
Anyways, I flipped the Samsung for fun and let me tell you, there is no going back. When writing software, the more vertical space you have, the more lines of code you can see at once. This improved productivity a great deal. I now always leave my monitor in vertical mode and I absolutely love it.
The funny thing though is I never thought I'd be using my monitor like this. It seemed like a gimmick or at best, useful for designers. And I am actually a graphic designer too (I used to even have a design company) and seeing a full page drastically changes the way you design as well. Anyways, if you are a programmer with cash to spare, this is a great way to improve productivity.
Ironically, the other great find on producitivity was a rectangular bookshelf (one level but wide with edges and a top) that I mounted over my computer desk. It puts all the books I need access to really close by. I found that having reference books within arms reach, easy to find greatly increased my use of the reference books and also improved productivity. I originally bought this bookshelf just to clean up my area but it turned out to have a great productivity boost.
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" since all 3 cpus use the same core"
Not correct. Although Celerons are busted P4s, the Xeon is a different CPU.
The P4 (currently "Northwood" or "Prescott") cores and the Xeon cores (currently "Gallatin" or "Prestonia") are different. They have the same basic design (Northwood ~ Gellatin, Prescott ~ Prestonia) but the Xeon has additional L3 cache and a different layout. The P4 "Extreme Edition" is based on the Xeon.
Also note that the Opteron ("SledgeHammer") and Athlon 64 ("ClawHammer"/"Newcastle"/"Winchester") are different cores.