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Interview With Richard Stallman

An anonymous reader writes "KernelTrap has a fascinating and lengthy interview with Richard Stallman who founded the GNU Project in 1984, and the Free Software Foundation in 1985. He also originally authored a number of well known and highly used development tools, including the GNU Compiler Collection (GCC), the GNU symbolic debugger (GDB) and GNU Emacs. The interview covers a wide range of topics, from rms's early years, to his current role in the Free Software Foundation. He discusses the current state of GNU/Hurd, the problems with non-free software, and much more."

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  1. Excuse me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is a GNU/Interview. Get it right please!

  2. Re:He Doesn't Get It by Clover_Kicker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Stallman will not change his beliefs because they aren't practical.

    No sane person would sit down and write their own C compiler+debugger from scratch because he didn't like the licenses of the currently available compilers.

    Stallman is gonzo batshit crazy, and that's why he was able to start a movement - normal people would have evaluated the difficulties and not even tried. If his movemement hadn't caught on, Stallman would still be labouring by himself, in obscurity, trying to make his vision a reality.

    BTW, the market hasn't been slowly squeezing out Open Source, quite the contrary.

  3. Re:He Doesn't Get It by Threni · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > Maybe he's ahead of his time or something, but right now, his ideas just aren't
    > viable

    That's not his problem. Or at least, it's not just his problem. You can't blame someone for identifying problems and coming up with solutions just because most people don't understand their worth at the moment. Current womens/black/animal rights were won through slow, unpopular and sometimes illegal methods, and people criticized those at the time too. When people can't tape programmes off the tv or listen to music they've bought on CD (or wherever) in the car is when people will start to pay more attention to some of these issues.

  4. It's the GNU operating system, and ... by Garabito · · Score: 5, Funny
    "It's the GNU operating system, and the Hurd is its kernel."

    Sounds like "There is no God but Allah; Mohammed is His Prophet".

  5. Cue the assinine comments... by Lejade · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In no particular order:

    - RMS was useful at one time but he should now leave serious persons do the real work.
    - RMS is too extreme
    - RMS is a crackpot
    - RMS is a communist
    - RMS is a dirty hippy that smells bad
    - GNU/Linux is childish/idotic/ego-driven
    - The GPL is not free/ viral etc...

    I just wish for once all the idiots who will inevitably spout their mouth would just shut up.

    Richard Stallman has consistently proved he was a true visionnary. He forsaw the problems with software and copyright law 20 years ago and devised an extremely clever answer : the GPL.

    Not only that but he gave us great software to work with. Some he wrote himself (GCC, GDB, Emacs), some he inspired others to write.

    He warned us many times when few would listen. About the importance of protecting freedom. About the importance of tracking copyright ownership. About software patents. About the right to read. Every time he's been criticized, ridiculed or dismissed as a lunatic and every time he was right.

    It is time to recognize Richard Stallman's place in history as a great modern philosopher.

    So I, for one, would like to thank deeply RMS for dedicating his life to our freedom. For standing tall when no one else would.

    Live long, RMS, and never give up.

    1. Re:Cue the assinine comments... by squiggleslash · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Nonsense. The GPL is one of the most dramatically practical licenses there is. Indeed, a project that standardizes upon the GPL is giving its contributors the most amount of freedom.

      If I contribute to FreeBSD, then, unless I choose to fork the entire project, I have no control over how my code is used outside of free software projects. I'm essentially working for Apple for free.

      If I contribute to Linux, I can send my all-new module I wrote myself to Linus with a copy of the GPL and he'll include it in the kernel (if it's any good, of course.) If someone wants to include my code in a proprietary product, they can come to me and negotiate a license.

      You'll note that nothing is taken away from anyone. The proprietary software vendor still has "freedom", they just may have to pay towards the costs of coding in some form other than giving back to the community of which I'm a part. Perhaps I'll let them use it for nothing. Perhaps I'll require they duplicate the effort and get in a programmer to do it themselves. Or maybe I'll accept a few hundred dollars. That's up to me. But in this case, it's me that's saying how free (monetarily or non-monetarily) it'll end up for end users, not some eye-swivelling project leaders brought up on a diet of anti-RMS diatribes and McCarthyism.

      I'm rather tired of hearing the GPL described as "non-free" or the BSD as "free-er". The BSD license is free as in "Working for Apple for free", it provides no additional freedom above that that the GPL provides, it merely gives the contributor more control over how free the code is going to be and to whom.

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  6. Re:Full of himself? by Laxitive · · Score: 5, Insightful


    Hmm, somebody is full of themselves.. but it doesn't seem to be RMS.

    A bit of reading comprehension and critical analysis would go a long way, you know.

    As is amply clear from the article, RMS doesn't see his major contribution to be code. He has coded, and he enjoys coding, but his cause is not to produce code - it is to spread the free software ideology. Now, you might agree with that ideology, or you might not, but to intentionally misread somebody's words in an attempt to characterize them as 'full of themselves' is arrogant, small-minded, and spiteful.

    For what RMS considers important (the promotion of the Free Software ideology), he IS indispensable. There is no-one else that is as well-known, respected, and staunchly committed to the FS movement as Stallman is. And that's what he cares about, so he is correct when he calls himself 'indispensable'.

    You might scoff at the 'respected' comment, but trust me when I say that there are a lot of people (including me), that are not in complete agreement with his philosophy, who still respect him - because he acts in good faith, has good intentions, and makes his intentions clear. RMS is the fucking ephitamy of a straight shooter. And that's a lot more than you can say about most people.

    -Laxitive

  7. I don't get it... by bomb_number_20 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can already see the way these posts are heading.

    Talk about a bunch of ungrateful children...

    He is now and has been consistent in his views. He hasn't changed his message. The fact that his message is still relevant after 20 years should say something.

    Richard Stallman, over the past 20 years, has done more than most of you put together will do in your entire lifetime and all you can do is complain and make fun of him for it.

    --
    That's ok, Jesus likes me anyway.
  8. What is Freedom by McSnickered · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He really comes across as duplicitous when he says over and over how he is "fighting for freedom" and then says the following:


    JA: What about the programmers...

    Richard Stallman: What about them? The programmers writing non-free software? They are doing something antisocial. They should get some other job.

    JA: Such as?

    Richard Stallman: There are thousands of different jobs people can have in society without developing non-free software. You can even be a programmer. Most paid programmers are developing custom software--only a small fraction are developing non-free software. The small fraction of proprietary software jobs are not hard to avoid.


    So if one freely decides to write a program and not divulge the code, then that person is antisocial? Hey - I don't accuse Colonel Sanders of being antisocial just because he keeps his 11 secret herbs and spices a "secret". And I don't accuse Bill Gates of being antisocial because he refuses to divulge the code to Microsoft Bob. He may be a numbnut, but whom am I to accuse someone of being "antisocial".

    This word "freedom" ... I do not think it means what you think it means.

    --
    They call me the working man. I guess that's what I am.
  9. Re:Stallman gets it... by bonch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sorry, but a lot of developers will take offense to being called "anti-social" just because they, gasp, don't release all their source code and make everything free. Stallman talks up his fight for freedom, but then pushes against the freedom of choice. If a lot of people disagree with Stallman, it's because he's so extreme and unreasonable about everything. His solutions to problems are all One Big Solution that is supposed to fit every situation like a glove, and having such a rigid, unchanging viewpoint can be dangerous or, at the least, counterproductive and anti-progress. In fact, part of that weird hostility toward corporations and non-free software that seems to facilate such theory-driven ideologies is part of the reason I switched to BSD. The community there just seems more interested in getting things done and letting people do whatever the hell they want with the code rather than forcing everyone into a rigid ideology, which is the opposite of free choice. That is the great irony, for me anyway, of Stallman's brand of thinking when he talks about "freedom."

    Think of all the criticism against George Bush for being unrigid and unchanging in his views regardless of the situation. "No one can tell him he's wrong," said the ads. Well, that's how some feel about Stallman.

  10. Re:I'll pay for a RMS interview generator by rot26 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can't believe can programmer he doesn't get the fact that gnu linux spell like NEW Linux and every one I know who heard that has always answered : what ? there's a new linux ?,

    He not pronounce the GNU "NU", it is be pronounced "GUH-NU". The G-letter be's not silent so. Feel bad, don't. Even the people speak the English got wrong this one often.

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    To ensure perfect aim, shoot first and call whatever you hit the target
  11. Re:Refuting RMS? by D.+Book · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Software is just a "thing" that people use. The others are real issues that are important to fight and die for. One really sounds like a loser when one tries to elevate software to that level. I know the first thought in *MY* mind is "Why don't you find a REAL cause instead of pretending you have a valid crusade with this free software business"?

    Others have addressed your "stuff" characterisation for software, so perhaps I could address the specific point above with a quote from Sam Williams' biography of RMS, Free as in Freedom:

    Stallman's unwillingness to seek alliances seems equally perplexing when you consider his political interests outside of the free software movement. Visit Stallman's offices at MIT, and you instantly find a clearinghouse of left-leaning news articles covering civil-rights abuses around the globe. Visit his web site, and you'll find diatribes on the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, the War on Drugs, and the World Trade Organization.

    Given his activist tendencies, I ask, why hasn't Stallman sought a larger voice? Why hasn't he used his visibility in the hacker world as a platform to boost rather than reduce his political voice.

    Stallman lets his tangled hair drop and contemplates the question for a moment.

    "I hesitate to exaggerate the importance of this little puddle of freedom," he says. "Because the more well-known and conventional areas of working for freedom and a better society are tremendously important. I wouldn't say that free software is as important as they are. It's the responsibility I undertook, because it dropped in my lap and I saw a way I could do something about it. But, for example, to end police brutality, to end the war on drugs, to end the kinds of racism we still have, to help everyone have a comfortable life, to protect the rights of people who do abortions, to protect us from theocracy, these are tremendously important issues, far more important than what I do. I just wish I knew how to do something about them."


    Despite the energy he puts into the Free Software movement, you'll probably find that RMS spends a lot more time on those real causes you refer to than your average person.