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For Sale: Biosphere 2
jangobongo writes "The Texas company that built and owns the Biosphere 2 Center near Tucson, AZ has put the property up for sale. Built at a cost of over $200 million, Biosphere 2 was originally used as a a self-sustaining environment for humans with eight "biospherians" sealing themselves in for two years to see if they could survive without outside intervention. The Biosphere 2 campus consists of a 3.1-acre glass terrarium and 70 other buildings on 140 acres, and includes offices, classrooms, laboratories, residential housing, and a hotel and conference center. Because it is a very expensive place to operate, the more than 85,000 visitors last year were not enough to make money on tourism alone. Potential uses for the property: a religious college, spa, golf resort or even a technology park."
And if you can't afford that, how about subleasing my 1-bedroom in Sheepshead Bay in Brooklyn for $750 a month?
Did they ever actually manage to live in the thing without outside support in the form of O2 and food?
I'm holding out for my own airship hangar.
Give a man fire, and you warm him for the night. Set a man on fire, and you warm him for the rest of his life.
"Potential uses for the property: a religious college, spa, golf resort or even a technology park."
Falls under the category of 'religious college' perhaps, but how about a sect HQ? Hare Krishna, Scientology, Wu Manchu, The Stonecutters Lodge, etc. Funding is also not a problem. Most big sects already have enough ties with big industials, criminal syndicats and Hollywood stars to get their hands on enough money to buy the Biosphere.
Or what about evil masterminds? Doctor Papa could finally get a pied-a-terre in the USA!
I just realized something:
Millionaire + Self-Sustained Environment = Human Hunting Adventure
This is gonna be fun.
Potential uses for the property: a religious college, spa, golf resort or even a technology park."
Or warehousing, for life "enemy combatants" you don't have the evidence to convict, but can't release because they'll hate you forever for torturing them.
What better for that then a Biosphere literally hermetically sealed from the rest of the world. Perhaps it's even sealed tightly enough to hold in the shame Americans should feel for what's being perpetuated in their names.
Yes, I'm proud to be an American: after getting to the moon in 1969, 35 years later the closest we've come to a manned landing on Mars is a "Biosphere" in the Arizona desert. Meanwhile, "land of the free" is using medieval tortures on innocent men and proposing to jail them for life without any evidence.
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It consisted largely of,
Here's our failed experiment, let's walk around it.
No you can't go in.
But you can go in our GIFT SHOP!
At the time I'm pretty sure there were some college still woring with (read: Funding) the folks there as there aren't too many other places like it on the planet for that kind of biological research. Maybe they ought to seal the thing up & forget about it for a few milennia. Maybe something will evolve its way out.
I think it might just be ideal for the Railians...
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It failed because reality shows didn't exist at the time.
If done today, I'm sure its a smash hit, think of a mix of big brother + truman show.
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If it was really self sustaining, it wouldn't be expensive to operate. :-/
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Would it be possible to convert it into a location to house fragile or endangered plants and certain animals? I mean, if they can solve that oxygen problem, that is.
Previously (before September 2003), Columbia University was managing Biosphere 2 and they were using it mainly for research and as a study-abroad program for students. The tourism was aspect was a sideline and you probably couldn't go inside because it would have messed up thier research and learning aspects.
Now you can go inside on the extended tour which lasts 2-3 hours. While I was there, I got to see all the internal areas except one, the "tropical jungle" section of the terrarium, which was completely overgrown because the environment inside was so agreeable with the plants, they just grew like crazy and took over. Our tour got to see the living quarters and the research labs. We went into the terrariums to see the two food garden areas, the section with the "ocean", "savannah", "marsh", and "desert" biomes. We toured under the facility in the basement to see the mechanical aspects, power plant, water recycling, and air handlers. They also took us into one of the two "lungs" of the biosphere, which are a technological feat of engineering designed to accommodate for the expansion and contraction of the internal air as it heats up and cools down.
I came away from the tour very impressed with all the details and a new respect of the whole project, as well as for the eight participants in the 2-year experiment.
This was by no means a "failed experiment", rather a very large learning experiment.
You'd think they'd be pretty pissed given the money they've put into it. Dollars to doughnuts the University they mentioned talking to in the article is Columbia.
Please, for the love of God, no more car analogies.
"They eventually had to shut it down way ahead of schedule because they couldn't compensate for the lack of oxygen."
That is an incorrect statement. There were actually two different "missions" where people were sealed in: the first from September 26, 1991, to September 26, 1993, and the second for six months in 1994. Neither mission was ended prematurely.
They did have an oxygen problem and had to correct it by adding pure oxygen to the environment when oxygen levels dropped too low, though.
There was a reality show of it right afterwards. It was called Biodome. I think Pauly Shore won....
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
So close, yet so far away...
Now that the thing is built and we have time, let's not micromanage the biosphere and just let it live. I think that studying how big but closed systems come to equilibrium would be more useful than the intitial experiment itself. The original idea was that this sort of thing might eventually be built on Mars, and we should first test in on Earth. Well, if we do that, here is how I think it should be done.
Not: Make guesses about how things will grow and interact, and engineer a system based on those guesses, hoping that it supports human habitation. (That's how the original failed experiment went.)
Instead: Send up a bunch of stuff that we're most confident about, some plants which are hardy and make a good base for a food chain. Have some unmanned "gardner" robots inside that do a bit of interfering, but mostly, let natural selection decide what does and doesn't grow. Once you see what grows best, introduce organisms that are progressively higher on the food chain. Only once we got stuff growing reliably should we send people there.
So you might be thinking that it will take a long time before a biosphere on Mars is ready for this... And I agree! That's why we should do some dry runs in Biosphere 2. It sucks that it gets so much hot sunlight, because on Mars, it will be a lot cooler and dimmer. Still, we'd learn some strategies, and a bunch of other stuff.
I was fortunate enough to get to do research there in 2001. The place is absolutely amazing. We didn't actually live inside the Biosphere, there's a trailer/kit house village down past the lungs. The researchers there are literally from all over the globe.
As for the areas you didn't see on the tour, there isn't much to see in the coastal desert, and all of it is visible if you walk around the outside. The agricultural biome was partitioned off into 3 managed forests, since they are not needed for food production. At the time I was there they were ramping up each to different levels of CO2 to see what effect that had (which I guess simulates what would happen if CO2 levels rose significantly on the earth).
The tropical rainforest is sealed off from the tour areas, since that's where the bulk of the 'research' takes place. At the time, we were only allowed to go in twice to check on our experiment, which was a good thing IMO. There's a 'mountain' inside with fans at the top to help air circulate, and yes, the vegetation is very dense, so it is hard to see from the outside. I don't think any significantly sized animals live there anymore. In fact, when they had the first experiment there they had a problem with these primates (I believe they were galagos?) that would climb up the scaffolding in the rainforest biome, slip, and fall to their deaths right next to the outside windows. Of course, the PR people and the tour groups were not impressed when they would see all these dead 'monkeys' pressed up against the glass. So they had to go. I think the only larger animals that did remarkably well were in the oceans.
The AC is right when they say this was a very large "learning experiment" rather than a failed one. Even though they had many problems, they were handled in a controlled way and accounted for in the experiment and the data they took. If anything, the problems helped them learn more, since those are the types of unexpected things colonists in space will deal with.
This site has some good photos of the different biomes and the living/mechanical areas. If anyone has any questions or wants to know more of the 'unofficial history' let me know and I'll try to field them
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Someone should buy it and start a cult in it. Amass a huge fortune like Aum did, but then take the money and run, leaving the cult members to fend for themselves when they run out of oxygen or cut their fingers off in the rice machine.
Or, it could serve as an evil lair. You'd have to move it inside a volcano, but still, it would be sweet.
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I want to buy it! I could do all sorts a cool shit with a place like that. I need to moveout of the house soon anyway.
Kinda tough to get any sort of decent golf course on 140 acres -- perhaps you could get a 9 hole executive course in.
Nick Lane's book Oxygen argues that the Earth's oxygen is not a tightly-regulated homeostatic system -- the old saw about the Amazon being the lungs of the Earth. The oxygen in the atmosphere is the result of the small excess of carbon fixed by plants that doesn't get consumed or decayed by animals and bacteria, with volcanoes supplying the makeup CO2 to drive the process. Just as the fossil fuels are the relic of this process, O2 is the fossil gas relic of the process. The only reason we are not burning up all the oxygen by burning coal is that most fossil fuel is very low grade shales and sandstones while coal, gas, and oil are only a small quantity of concentrated carbon.
The claim is that contrary to the Gaia Hypothesis which would argue for tighter homeostatic control of O2 and other gasses, O2 reached 35 percent during the Age of Coal (Carboniforous) while some tens of millions of years later in the Permian, O2 crashed to 15 percent. Scientists are supposed to know this from isotope ratios in rocks from those strata.
So the Earth is a poor model for a closed ecological system in that the processes controlling O2 operate over geologic time and are perhaps less tightly regulated than once thought.
Following those links, I stumbled upon BIOS-3, in Siberia, which seemed an entirely more realistic attempt at finding out what it takes to make an enclosed system containing humans. Far less space, far less cost, much more rapid turnover of matter, and they report exactly what limits they're running up against. Sometimes I think the Americans should give up and just fund the Russians, who seem more practical.
Since we all know what the biosphere itself looks like, how about a view of the other buildings in the area via this satellite image: http://terraserver.microsoft.com/addressimage.aspx ?T=1&S=10&Alon=-110.843015&Alat=32.582202&W=3&opt= 0&qs=32540+s+biosphere+road%7Coracle%7Caz&addr=325 40+S+Biosphere+Rd%2C+Oracle%2C+AZ+85623&Lon=-110.8 50861912&Lat=32.578886159999996