A local radio station WJR 760 in Detroit interviewed him earlier this week. It was apparent that he needed to hire someone with a little better speaking skills - especially when he knows he'll be ambushed at nearly every opportunity.
I couldn't believe my ears when the talk show host asked him: "Does it bother you that people use your product for negative purposes, sort of like the scientists who developed the formulas used in the atomic bombs that killed hundreds of thousands?"
My jaw hit the floor when his reply was "Well, this isn't exactly an atom bomb...." That's why the lawyers are winning right now. It's not because they're smarter. It's because they are SO good at twisting things around, and us geeks can't speak in public worth a damn.
He also wouldn't admit that bit-torrent is a revolutionary way of transfering data, he kept downplaying his program. Come on man! You're not a programmer right now. You're a salesman and a human resource department. Act like it!
And if he "brags" about Bittorrent, the Slashdot crowd will call him arrogant...
I agree with you with being more articulate though. I think the standard answer should be to deflect responsibility, just like a politican!
Probably something along the lines of: "It is the responsibility of the individual to decide what he/she wants to do with it. I'm only responsible for discovering new things."
Or maybe even a bit extreme: "Someone can stab someone else to death with a pen. Does that mean pens should've never been invented?" (Or insert something equally trivial..)
My jaw hit the floor when his reply was "Well, this isn't exactly an atom bomb...."
But he's right. The Atomic Bomb dominated international politics from 1945 to 1990. This is seriously small potatoes by comparison. Kudos to him for keeping his achievement in perspective.
-- Athletic Scholarships to universities make as much sense as academic scholarships to sports teams.
Nope, that's not it. The proper response is something like:
(Cohen) What can I do? Even now, there are evil bittorrent people who have used my software to burn villages to the ground, teach schoolchildren to write with their left hands, sodomize livestock and advocate american usage of the metric system! It makes my skin crawl to hear how it ressurrected Jeffrey Dahmer and caused him to go on a zombie rampage, eviscerating screaming women and devouring innocent children! Stop zombie Dahmer, think of the children! What will we do when the terrorists twist my innocent application into a weapon of mass destruction, simply because Congress couldn't stop the partisan bickering long enough? Bittorrent doesn't even prevent AIDS, let alone cure it!
(Radio host) But, you say this can be used by terrorists, and you still created it? What?
(Cohen) What, does that sound a little ridiculous to you?
(Radio Host) I dunno, can it be used... (Cohen, interrupting) Because it sounds more than a little ridiculous for you to compare Bittorent to nuclear weapons. C'mon, tell us straight. The RIAA didn't put you up to this, but you've been one of their lapdogs so long, they don't have to explicitly tell you to do this sort of character assassination.
(Radio Host) Now wait a minute... (Cohen) No, you wait a minute. Bittorrent doesn't do anything the internet itself doesn't do. Except that if ever the RIAA was so insane to suggest the internet be made illegal, even the most bought senator would laugh. Bittorrent is just a networking protocol, something your mouth-breathing bosses couldn't describe in layman's terms if their lives depended on it. A protocol that makes the internet slightly more efficient, and not much more. It's clever, I like it, and so do quite a few other people. What do you say to that? (stomps out of the booth).
Not to go offtopic, but at what point do you start ignoring laws in a serious way? If it was made law that you have to murder your newborn son, most reasonable people wouldn't even hesitate to (attempt to) evade that law.
Granted, now all the copynazis will jump on me, for "making a comparison that is ludicrous". But I'm not, just illustrating the far extreme end of this spectrum.
Is it right for an IP cartel like the RIAA to lock up all music forever? I mean, even if this falls into the public domain some day, there is nothing to say that they have to release the keys to decode them. But that's just music, nothing art-worthy in a traded Britney Spears mp3, same with movies...
What about books? We're safe for what, the next 30 years, until the big public libraries digitize to save money on storage. Even if they only do so with public domain works, at some point, the publishing industry will want to cash in too, and provide only ebooks. How will that go down?
Us frogs, I fear they're boiling us slowly. And you people sit around arguing that even if it is getting a little warmer, it's not hot at all.
Exactly, so addressing the reason that people misuse a creation of his is a perfectly good way of answering a loaded question like that.
I disagree, I think that would be out of scope. I think it would have been far more effective to list the legal uses and focus on the positive. It's possible to violate copyright with a lot of different items - cameras, CD Burners, pencil and paper, a photocopier, a scanner, etc. But - that's not exactly "newsworthy", is it?
Also, is there any way to list metrics of exactly what people are downloading via BitTorrent? If there isn't, it's only an opinion that BitTorrent is used primarily for copyright violations. I could argue that the legal uses are numerous, and I can think of a number of sites like this one that have numerous, legal Torrent links, and looking at the traffic stats, Distrowatch gets a lot of hits.
I don't know the rate of AS among geeks, but I do know that neuropsychological conditions (I like to call it "differently abled" rather than "disabled") are overrepresentated among geeks and the more extreme subcultures. I myself has ADD and I know a lot of ADD/ADHD persons who are geeks AND goth/industrial/punk..
AS people (AS=Asperger's Syndrome) tend to be superhuman geniouses in a few narrow areas while ADD/ADHD people tend to be theoretical almost-geniously experts in a wide range of subjects.
Our (me and my fellow ADDers) problem is that we are so easily bored and when we see the finish closing in we already finished the project in our head (the only thing left is to actually implement it) and the mental energy runs out and we have to move on to something else so we don't get a deep depression. Repetitive work (such as implementing on the computer the stuff you already implemented in your head) causes depressions..
The reason ADDers are overrepresentated among subcultures are that our way of thinking and making conclusions differ quite a lot from non-ADDers. For example we skip the little details called norms, principles, culture, traditions, etc and go straight to the root matter of the current subject. That's why a lot of us don't feel that we fit in and search alternative lifestyles that fit our minds better...
People with ADD and AS can be the biggest resource for a company that they can possibly get. You just have to rethink and adjust the internal politics a little. A single interested ADDer can do 10 persons work in short time. You just have to make sure that someone else take over when it gets repetitive and move the ADDer to another project that he/she shows interested in. And put the byrocrazy to a minimum, nothing can kill motivation more...
Oh, did I mention that we tend to make long LISP-like rants with deeply nested paranthesis?:) Have patience, we'll soon get back ontopic as we usually have a good stackmemory.:)
-- My other account has a 3-digit UID.
Not a 5 page article
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Not a 5 page article. An article on the web does not have pages, since the web does not have pages (you scroll down), What we do have is an article split in 5 sections to allow for more ads, more branding, more clicks.
Wired Marketing droid to potential advertisers: We got 5 million clicks yesterday--grumble under breath: one million people clicked 5 times-- and displayed 25 million ads --grumble under breath: 5 ads per click, times 5 sections.
Simple. Don't break the law, and you won't become a "juicy legal target". There's nothing illegal about BitTorrent, but it is illegal to violate copyright with it, so don't do that.
Bram is cool
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Amiga+Lover
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He's smart, he's understated, he keeps doing new logical puzzlement stuff, and he's made a simple application spread worldwide without marketing through word of mouth, and simply because it does what it's meant to well. That's true innovation.
bittorrent weakness
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I like bittorrent, but my problem is that I can't easily search for what I want in torrent form.
Please, I hope I am wrong, but it seems that one is forced to go to "seedy" (I mean, really seedy, as in icky) websites to get the links.
A related cause
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The big media would love to take him down personally for creating bit torrent, and the only thing stopping them is that Bit Torrent is just legitimate enough to be a hard case to sell. Enough users use it legally, that they couldn't argue it's primarily for piracy. But what if that were to change?
Bit Torrent is just a tool, it cannot do anything illegal by itself. The user must choose to do something illegal with it. Going after Cohen is no different than going after a gun maker for gun crime. The exact same arguments used against gun makers could be used against Cohen. He's not screening his users, is he? Neither are the gun makers. In both cases, some of their users are committing crimes. Different types of crimes, but either way, a legitimate tool is used for an illegitimate purpose.
In the long run, the only way to win against the forces opposed to individual liberties is to link our causes. This is the IP equivalent of what the NRA faces with guns, so it only makes sense for both camps to realize we are fighting the same ideology just in two different manifestations.
Allies, even allies that don't really understand your cause as well as you do, are important. Many of the gun owners' postings I have read on right wing boards frequently have derisive attitudes toward the **AA now and see them as the computer equivalent of "gun grabbers." It's a fitting analogy because the **AA want to be the "computer grabbers." Mandatory DRM is akin to mandatory trigger locks because either way, some bureaucrat is telling you how you must maintain and use your property.
To protect our rights we must continue to assert individual responsibility as the solution and push for solutions that go after perpetrators of crime, not their tools. That is the only way we can not only cut down on crime, but also protect people like Cohen from amoral, mercenary attorneys like those behind the **AA
The point is...
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that's not what it was DESIGNED to do. Hell, the INTERNET is primarily used to steal stuff, if you want to break it down by percentage. Should the Internet be illegal? No. So why do you care about what bittorrent is used for now? Play up the POSITIVE aspects, not the negative ones. Christ on crutches.
-- THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE
ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
why isn't BT incorporated into browsers yet?
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All important browsers are open source now. But i still have to see an annoucement that BT is now incorporated into browser X as a protocol. heck, you could probaly do it with one library and some implementation details in the browsers, as most are written in C or C++.
Just a protocol just like http:// ie bt:// that delivers the content to the browser for display.
Maybe this will solve the slashdot effect. (oh wait no, it won't. most slashdot readers betray their geekness and still use IE, the browser that has not seen maintance sine 2000. This will maybe get them over the line; free porn directly in your browser)
-- This space is intentionally staring blankly at you
A local radio station WJR 760 in Detroit interviewed him earlier this week. It was apparent that he needed to hire someone with a little better speaking skills - especially when he knows he'll be ambushed at nearly every opportunity.
I couldn't believe my ears when the talk show host asked him: "Does it bother you that people use your product for negative purposes, sort of like the scientists who developed the formulas used in the atomic bombs that killed hundreds of thousands?"
My jaw hit the floor when his reply was "Well, this isn't exactly an atom bomb...." That's why the lawyers are winning right now. It's not because they're smarter. It's because they are SO good at twisting things around, and us geeks can't speak in public worth a damn.
He also wouldn't admit that bit-torrent is a revolutionary way of transfering data, he kept downplaying his program. Come on man! You're not a programmer right now. You're a salesman and a human resource department. Act like it!
Not a 5 page article. An article on the web does not have pages, since the web does not have pages (you scroll down), What we do have is an article split in 5 sections to allow for more ads, more branding, more clicks.
Wired Marketing droid to potential advertisers: We got 5 million clicks yesterday--grumble under breath: one million people clicked 5 times-- and displayed 25 million ads --grumble under breath: 5 ads per click, times 5 sections.
"Piter, too, is dead."
Simple. Don't break the law, and you won't become a "juicy legal target". There's nothing illegal about BitTorrent, but it is illegal to violate copyright with it, so don't do that.
He's smart, he's understated, he keeps doing new logical puzzlement stuff, and he's made a simple application spread worldwide without marketing through word of mouth, and simply because it does what it's meant to well. That's true innovation.
But I have to say, Sailor Moon Bram really freaks me.
I like bittorrent, but my problem is that I can't easily search for what I want in torrent form.
Please, I hope I am wrong, but it seems that one is forced to go to "seedy" (I mean, really seedy, as in icky) websites to get the links.
The big media would love to take him down personally for creating bit torrent, and the only thing stopping them is that Bit Torrent is just legitimate enough to be a hard case to sell. Enough users use it legally, that they couldn't argue it's primarily for piracy. But what if that were to change?
Bit Torrent is just a tool, it cannot do anything illegal by itself. The user must choose to do something illegal with it. Going after Cohen is no different than going after a gun maker for gun crime. The exact same arguments used against gun makers could be used against Cohen. He's not screening his users, is he? Neither are the gun makers. In both cases, some of their users are committing crimes. Different types of crimes, but either way, a legitimate tool is used for an illegitimate purpose.
In the long run, the only way to win against the forces opposed to individual liberties is to link our causes. This is the IP equivalent of what the NRA faces with guns, so it only makes sense for both camps to realize we are fighting the same ideology just in two different manifestations.
Allies, even allies that don't really understand your cause as well as you do, are important. Many of the gun owners' postings I have read on right wing boards frequently have derisive attitudes toward the **AA now and see them as the computer equivalent of "gun grabbers." It's a fitting analogy because the **AA want to be the "computer grabbers." Mandatory DRM is akin to mandatory trigger locks because either way, some bureaucrat is telling you how you must maintain and use your property.
To protect our rights we must continue to assert individual responsibility as the solution and push for solutions that go after perpetrators of crime, not their tools. That is the only way we can not only cut down on crime, but also protect people like Cohen from amoral, mercenary attorneys like those behind the **AA
Click here or a puppy gets stomped!
that's not what it was DESIGNED to do.
Hell, the INTERNET is primarily used to steal stuff, if you want to break it down by percentage.
Should the Internet be illegal? No.
So why do you care about what bittorrent is used for now? Play up the POSITIVE aspects, not the negative ones. Christ on crutches.
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
All important browsers are open source now. But i still have to see an annoucement that BT is now incorporated into browser X as a protocol.
heck, you could probaly do it with one library and some implementation details in the browsers, as most are written in C or C++.
Just a protocol just like http:// ie bt:// that delivers the content to the browser for display.
Maybe this will solve the slashdot effect.
(oh wait no, it won't. most slashdot readers betray their geekness and still use IE, the browser that has not seen maintance sine 2000. This will maybe get them over the line; free porn directly in your browser)
This space is intentionally staring blankly at you