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2004 Digital Media Winners and Losers

An anonymous reader writes "MP3 Newswire has just released Richard Menta's annual digital media winners and losers list. Apple tops the winners list for the second year in a row as does eDonkey and last spring's Grey Album protest. Losers include the term iPod Killers, Winamp, and the WMA format. BitTorrent made both lists. Menta also released a 2005 wishlist. Topping that list is an iPod in-dash unit similar to the old Rio Car. You can see Menta's previous years winners and losers lists."

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  1. Not a stock investor... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    With everyone making Tivo knockoffs (got my card @ newegg.com for $30 bucks last year) -- how is that service a winner?

    Did the author forget Tivo charges for DVR when most of us that are tech saavy can get it for free?

    1. Re:Not a stock investor... by wernercd · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think it points to the fact that as far as the 'masses' are concerned it did something to bring a good product that NORMAL people can use.

      Sure a technophile can do all this stuff, but the cost is normally a lack of social skills from all the time it takes to learn new techonology. Sure I've known people who can program their own stuff but that's not your 'normal person'.

      Despite all the problems TIVO has due to competition it did brink to the markeplace something that the vast majority of people can use easily.

      I think the ratio of 'normal people' to 'tech savy' is a fairly big difference. Just think of all the people that have no clue what SpyWare is, or how to use WindowsUpdate (Normal people don't use *nix. So don't flame me lol).

      Just my 2c

  2. Thanks to EMI... by CrackedButter · · Score: 3, Interesting


    or mainly their bitching, I heard about the Grey Album and downloaded it to see what the fuss was about. Had they not done anything I would of been none the wiser, now I posess an albums worth of good music.
    Btw, I don't own any other illegal mp3s. Just the Grey album because EMI moaned rather than marketed it. Given a chance, I'd still pay for the cd however, the bit rates are lower (192kbps) than what I rip at (256kbps).

  3. Flawed feature by Anita+Coney · · Score: 4, Interesting

    WMA's ability to load web content is NOT merely flaw. It's a flawed feature.

    Think like Microsoft for a second. All it wants to do is dominate without any concern for security. It's trying to get the content industry to use its WMA format. Some lackey speaks up at a meeting:

    "I have a great idea. Let's add a feature to WMA so that it'll open up web content. So if EMI wants to distribute an WMA song it'll open an option to buy the whole CD."

    Of course all the brainless other lackeys at Microsoft agree that it's a great idea and implements it, completely oblivious to any security concerns.

    My question is whether Microsoft will be smart enough to disable this feature in future releases.

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    If someone says he and his monkey have nothing to hide, they almost certainly do.
  4. ipod in dash by humuhumunukunukuapu' · · Score: 2, Interesting

    if you get and alpine cda-xxxx head unit, say like this head unit here, and also get this adapter you will be able to control the ipod from the head unit and have song titles and other info display on the head. this is not the same as the bmw thing...it is much much better.

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    i saw the baby, and the baby looked at me
    1. Re:ipod in dash by Quila467 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have the Alpine CDA-9835 and just bought the KCA-420i and a 40 Gb iPod. It works great, and sounds great, but there are some limitations. You control the iPod from the head unit, not from the iPod. The head unit I have, while it was their high-end MP3 player in 2004, can only support up to 512 items. This is more than enough for any of the CD changers it was designed for, but is pretty inconvenient with the iPod. It means I can't see any artists beyond Ministry (the 512th artist alphabetically on my iPod). You can work around this with playlists, or you can disconnect the iPod and select the artist or album you want to listen to beyond 512 and reconnect it, or you can wait until Alpine has released all of their 2005 models and make sure this limitation has been corrected. From their press release last week, it sounds like the 2005 models are much more iPod friendly, although I haven't actually seen them yet.

  5. Wishlist for 2005: Ogg by Ars-Fartsica · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Its becoming obvious that a totally open non-DRM format is a precondition for digital music.

  6. Considering their lousy competition? No. by Viewsonic · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Nothing even comes close yet. Yeah, you can make your own homebrew DVR box for free and everything, but it's not about cost, it's about features and functionality - Something no one has even came near yet. Their guide listings are the best and most accurate out of any competitor, carry more info, and are quickly corrected when a lineup change happens. You dont see this anywhere else with such a high accuracy rate. You get what you pay for rings true here more than anywhere else.

    As for the cable boxes that are starting to include it, they're even worse than you could ever imagine. UI nightmares ahoy, terrible listings, horrible season pass implementations, and overall just too restrictive.

    The only downside I can give Tivo is their Cablecard HD capable model wont be out until 2006, which is too long. It should have been released by summer 2004.

  7. "can get for free" by oneiros27 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You're paying for packaging and convenience.

    Most maps are available online -- yet ADC and other companies still exist, who package and distribute maps. People still buy TV Guide, and yet again, it's something that people could get online for free, if they knew where to look.

    I've written code to parse the NOAA's collection of METAR information, because my boss didn't want to pay some service provider for them to supply us with the information that had been converted to a more readily understood format.

    But that's not to say that there is no sustainable market for those people who sell the information. In the case of TiVo, they're selling more than just the information, as you're also paying for the rest of your system, and continued R&D. [and of course, lining someone's pockets, but we'll just assume that part isn't a significant number].

    There are plenty of things that are sold where the initial sale results in a loss, but additional money is made over time to justify the cost. Cell phones are a prime example -- they give the phones away, so they can make a profit by selling service. If TiVo wasn't selling service, they'd have to charge you more upfront. [and in fact, there's the 'lifetime' charge, which takes this into consideration, however, they're still losing money in the expense of their modem banks, and whatever else it takes for them to supply to information and distribution infrastructure]

    Just because you aren't willing to pay for the service, doesn't mean that no one else is willing to pay for convenience. We live in a commercial society where people are willing to pay extra for time savings (prepackaged meals), and to show off (luxury vehicles, oversized homes)

    I'm not going to claim that I can predict that TiVo is going to flop, or not, and I did work with my roommate on building a TV-connected game system that was also a PVR a few years ago, and I thought the process was a pain in the ass. I do know that I don't bother using it with the current software, and I haven't gone to the trouble of rebuilding it. I'd probably pick up a TiVo, and recycle that system, rather than go to the process of updating it.

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    Build it, and they will come^Hplain.
  8. The top of my wishlist? by Moses+Lawn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I won't comment on the winners and losers list, but the number one thing *I* want to see? A volume control for the iPod. Yeah, the scroll wheel is a great metaphor, and I love it, but it's a pain in the ass for changing the volume.

    For one thing, you have to be at the "Now Playing" screen for volume to even be available. Now, imagine you have the unit in your shirt pocket, walking down the street. The next song comes on way too loud (or way too quiet). Quick - reach in and try to find the right spot on the wheel and rotate it in the right direction, without hitting any of the other buttons. Or, try to press the pause/next/previous buttons. Not too easy, is it?

    Ideally, there would be a volume slider and the three playback buttons on the top of the unit, between the hold switch and the remote adapter on the Mini. The hold switch is too big anyway, and could be rotated 90 degrees so so that it moves front-to-back, with no loss of usability.

    Yes, I know you can get an aftermarket remote-control dongle from Apple that does this, but have you looked at those? Big, ugly, heavy things that dangle from the headphones like a tumor. Couldn't they have made something that fit flat against the top of the unit - you know, kind of an elegant design?

    Anyway, I love the unit, but hate the annoyance. It's a small annoyance, but it makes an obvious wart on a really clean design.

    Oh, and the ability to randomize a playlist/album would be absolutely fantastic.

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    What if life is just a side effect of some other process and God has no idea we exist?

  9. Re:No one mentions IRIVER anymore... by Julia+Cameron · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Thank you for this. The iPods are very nice. However, as a musician I have wanted an iriver for yonks. I don't care whether or not my equipment looks 'cool'. Great equipment is always cool. I don't care what anybody thinks, especially when my choice works for me.

    • http://www.iriveramerica.com/prod/hd/h340.aspx

    • The sleek and compact H340 40GB digital music player holds up to 1200 hours of your favorite songs. Plus, you can transfer and store digital pictures and view them on the vivid color display. A rechargeable battery that lasts up to 16 hours, enhanced 3D sound, ultra-fast USB 2.0 file transfers and simple navigation are just a few of the features you won't find anywhere else.

    The H340:

    Plays up to 1200 hours of digital music

    40GB of internal storage

    Large, vivid color display

    Ultra-fast USB 2.0 transfers

    Supports secure transfers from Windows Media Player

    Rechargeable battery lasts up to 16hrs

    View JPEG or BMP images

    Built-in FM tuner

    Integrated voice recorder

    Record music from any audio source(no PC required)

    Supports MP3, WMA, ASF and OGG music files

    Store or transfer files of any type

    Enhanced 3D audio

    Packed With:

    iriver earphones

    Carrying case

    USB 2.0 cable

    Audio line-in cable

    Installation CD

    AC adapter

    This iriver is the perfect Valentine present for a sweet geek girl like me.

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    Julia Cameron
    Oich ù agus hiùraibh éile