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End Of Support for Windows NT 4.0

IdleMindUI writes "This month is the last month that hotfixes for Windows NT 4.0 will be released. Security fixes will only be released to Microsoft customers with Custom Support Agreements. Custom Support Agreements are still available for customers that need them and can be obtained by contacting a Microsoft rep. More information is available on the NT 4.0 support lifecycle site."

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  1. WinXP is what NT4.0 should have been by Dancin_Santa · · Score: 1, Informative

    Though many years late, Windows XP is what WinNT4.0 should have been, much less NT3.51.

    Fully featured, responsive, and with the new security built into SP2, practically invulnerable to virii or hacker intrusion. (God help you if you want to run with the firewall down, but that goes for anything, don't it?)

    The upshot of this is that anyone still down in the dark ages with NT4 ought to seriously think about upgrading to XP. With an upgrade package, it will cost a whole lot less to deploy as all the devices in NT4 are already supported under XP, so there's no need to worry about hardware support like on other operating systems.

    Also good news for Microsoft, they can finally pull some of those developers off that project and put them to work getting XP and Longhorn more bulletproof.

    1. Re:WinXP is what NT4.0 should have been by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      >Fully featured, responsive, and with the new
      >security built into SP2, practically invulnerable
      >to virii or hacker intrusion.

      That's just plain wrong. Sorry.

      >The upshot of this is that anyone still down in
      >the dark ages with NT4 ought to seriously think
      >about upgrading to XP.

      I would wager most of the machines running NT4 out there are well beyond their prime. Seven or 8 year old machines don't run XP particularly well. Besides, many of the remaining NT4 environments I've seen already have the clients migrated to Win2K, and haven't a compelling reason to move any further yet.

  2. Clarification for the vagueness by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 5, Informative

    That's NT 4 Server. NT 4 Workstation was EOL'd over a year ago.

  3. Makes Sense to Me. by MBCook · · Score: 5, Informative
    Windows 2000 was released on Feb 17th, 2000.
    Windows 2003 was released on Apr 24th, 2003.

    A replacment to NT 4 was released, followed by a replacment to THAT, and NT 4 has still been getting support for a year+ after that. I'm a bit suprised that NT was still supported without needing those special contracts up untill now.

    For reference, 2K will get "mainstream" support (cost-per-incidient, free hotfixes) untill Jun 30 of this year, and "extended" stupport (hourly cost, pay for hotfixes) untill Jun 30, 2010. Hotfixes are free for everyone untill '07. I can't find End-of-Life dates for Windows 2003.

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  4. Re:It will be interesting by gregmac · · Score: 2, Informative

    It will be interesting to see how many people take the Linux plunge and break from the swirling vortex of regular, forced product updates. I am betting very few, unfortunately. It's just too much of a leap for most people...when Windows XP/20XX offers such a warm fuzzy UI feeling.

    I switched from NT to Samba running on Debian over a year ago. I'm not stuck relying on some company to deliver on-time updates. I've never had a virus infection. Oh, and the only time I need to reboot is to update the kernel (which isn't very often). Talk about a warm fuzzy feeling.

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  5. Re:Sits back, grabs a drink and.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    What a tiny world you must live in, I know several medical organizations (with 10K+ employees) still running NT on their workstations.

  6. Re:Supporting? by alangmead · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sun produces patches in support for Solaris two years after the last ship date, and ends support five years after the last ship date. That has them creating patches for Solaris 7 until next August and phase 2 support for Solaris 2.5.1 ending next September.

  7. Re:Do you even remember how to admin an NT 4.0 box by drsmithy · · Score: 2, Informative
    Bringing the window system inside the kernel was such a bummer.

    The "window system" is not inside the kernel. The *display system* (somewhat similar to X) runs in kernel *space* - a different thing.

  8. Re:end of online support 2007? by rebelcool · · Score: 2, Informative

    Likely this means the end of knowledge base updates to it. The info will still be there, but it will be static (unless of course, some third party takes up the job of maintaining the knowledge base)

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  9. Re:Supporting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    Sun has awell defined support cycle. Diagram.

    Sales:

    Sun delivers a new release of the Solaris Operating System approximately every 24-36 months. Roughly four times a year, updates that incorporate a set of tested, integrated patches along with new Solaris features and support for new hardware are released.

    At a minimum, there are two major releases of the Solaris Operating System available for purchase. After a new release is delivered, Sun announces the end of sales life for the 2nd prior release of the product and customers are given 90 days to place final orders. Final shipments are made for 90 days beyond the final order date.

    The support contract for products that have reached the end of their sales life can be extended by five further years through the Solaris Vintage Support Model.

    Support:

    The Solaris Vintage Support model allows customers to extend contractual support for the Solaris Operating System (SPARC and x86) for five years from the Last Ship date as follows: The level of support during the first two years from the Last Ship date will provide contract customers full remedial support excepting requests for enhancements and cosmetic bugs. Patches will be created as needed and distributed through the SunSolve program. This provides no material reduction in the level of support. However, patches will not be rolled up into quarterly updates. In years three through five from the Last Ship date, contract customers will continue to receive telephone support and to have access to existing patches on the SunSolve site. No patches will be issued for new bugs. Five years from the Last Ship date and beyond, customers may contact Sun Enterprise Services for a custom quote for support services.
  10. Re:Supporting? by TheOriginalRevdoc · · Score: 2, Informative

    Oracle generally support the RDBMS for 4 years or so after release, but support doesn't cease all at once. Like MS, they phase it out. For example, 8.1.7 was officially desupported as of December 31, 2004 - it was first released in 2000, I think - so most customers don't get bugs fixed any more, unless they pay for a higher support level. Even then, bug fixes stop at the end of 2006.

    (Oracle used to provide a last-ditch "support" service for *very* old RDBMS versions, where they gave you the source code and told you to fix it yourself, but they don't do that these days.)

  11. Re:Sits back, grabs a drink and.... by Lifthrasir · · Score: 3, Informative
    i work for a large-ish hospital in australia (roughly 2500 PC's and 120 servers). We have 2 VMS systems running on Alpha's (ones for failover), a few boxes supplied by vendors running god-knows-what, maybe 20 running 2000 Server and the rest running NT server.

    I however managed to get 1 linux box into production running some web services such as a frontend to our call logging database and an inventory management program, both of which i wrote myself.

    All of the windows servers have a scheduled job to restart them weekly in the early hours of the morning so they work properly, and my box has an uptime of around 120 days ATM. It would be more too, except the power to the room is a bit average, even though it has 2 huge UPSs and 2 seperate power feeds.

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  12. Re:It will be interesting by SunFan · · Score: 3, Informative

    I only WISH a Unix/Linux vendor had the support MS does for thier legacy products!

    Here is Sun's Solaris lifecycle. In fact, it looks like the latest patch cluster for Solaris 2.5.1 came out in September. Solaris 2.5.1 first shipped in 1996.

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  13. Re:Supporting? by duffbeer703 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Microsoft does support NT 4 -- if you have a custom support agreement. There just isn't any more free fixes.

    There are military deployments where NT 4 will be running until 2015 at the earliest.

    On the flip side, consider also that there is plenty of Sun kit running SunOS 4 laying about as well.

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  14. Re:New machines still being built to use NT4 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin /MS03-007.mspx

  15. Re:Is anybody reading this using NT4? by xlsior · · Score: 2, Informative

    [quote]There's a lot of other things that, if you're running MS systems, really make a difference. NT4, if IIS hangs, you're rebooting (and that might take 30 minutes unless you hit the power switch because the processor locks).[/quote] Nice thought, but not true. If IIS4 on NT4 takes a dive and becomes completely unresponsive to attempts to restart the service, 9 out of 10 times you can still fix it in ~20 seconds or so without a reboot simply by killing both the web publishing service and the inetinfo.exe process using the 'kill.exe' command line tool that is found in NT4's option pack. (It also works great on win2000/XP)) Indispensible utility, most of the processes that are 'unkillable' from the task manager can succesfully be stopped with it.