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NetBSD Status Report for Oct- Dec '04 Published

Enrique writes "The NetBSD Foundation has published its fourth quarterly status report, covering the months October through December of 2004. Among many other things, this status report covers the publication of the new NetBSD Logo, the new pkgsrc branch, the new NetBSD/iyonix port and of course the release of NetBSD 2.0."

27 comments

  1. NetBSD Foundation confirms... by houseofzeus · · Score: -1

    BSD is err....not dead?

    1. Re:NetBSD Foundation confirms... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      > BSD is err....not dead

      YES. Thay are undead now.

  2. An orange flag? by AtariAmarok · · Score: -1, Troll

    The orange banner logo is sure to please Ukrainian democracy activists. And unionist marchers in Northern Ireland. However, they did miss an opportunity to stick it to the trolls by making a new logo that showed an open and empty tomb (An "on the third day he rose from the dead" kind of thing).

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    Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
  3. New logo by compass46 · · Score: 1

    Is it just me or does anyone else when they see the new NetBSD logo have the urge to go sailing for the America's Cup?

    1. Re:New logo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      That new logo is wicked gay. Or hella gay. Or stoopid gay.

    2. Re:New logo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      it's just you, really :)

    3. Re:New logo by BossMC · · Score: 1

      Is it just me or does anyone else when they see the new NetBSD logo have the urge to go sailing for the America's Cup?

      Despite being somewhat of a sailor, I don't share your point of view. I think the NetBSD logo looks more like a pool cue that was rubbed on the table so much that it caught fire. Either way, I think they could have done better.

      Note: This comment isn't offtopic, because the logo is mentioned in the report.

  4. NetBSD has OpenPAM now by TilJ · · Score: 4, Informative

    It seemed like a throwaway line in the status report, and didn't really have any details attached to it. NetBSD getting PAM is big news though -- some of the flame wars between the BSDAuth folks and the PAM folks in the NetBSD community were legendary for their ability to burn unsuspecting posters.

    I found some information at a livejournal posting, but I haven't been able to dig much else up.

    --
    "The purpose of argument is to change the nature of truth." -- Bene Gesserit Precept
    1. Re:NetBSD has OpenPAM now by Homology · · Score: 3, Interesting
      NetBSD getting PAM is big news though -- some of the flame wars between the BSDAuth folks and the PAM folks in the NetBSD community were legendary for their ability to burn unsuspecting posters.

      PAM has had a some exploits. The latest OpenSSH (portable, not OpenbSD) exploit was in the PAM code.

  5. Hard Lessons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    What We Can Learn From BSD
    By Chinese Karma Whore, Version 1.0

    Everyone knows about BSD's failure and imminent demise. As we pore over the history of BSD, we'll uncover a story of fatal mistakes, poor priorities, and personal rivalry, and we'll learn what mistakes to avoid so as to save Linux from a similarly grisly fate.

    Let's not be overly morbid and give BSD credit for its early successes. In the 1970s, Ken Thompson and Bill Joy both made significant contributions to the computing world on the BSD platform. In the 80s, DARPA saw BSD as the premiere open platform, and, after initial successes with the 4.1BSD product, gave the BSD company a 2 year contract.

    These early triumphs would soon be forgotten in a series of internal conflicts that would mar BSD's progress. In 1992, AT&T filed suit against Berkeley Software, claiming that proprietary code agreements had been haphazardly violated. In the same year, BSD filed countersuit, reciprocating bad intentions and fueling internal rivalry. While AT&T and Berkeley Software lawyers battled in court, lead developers of various BSD distributions quarreled on Usenet. In 1995, Theo de Raadt, one of the founders of the NetBSD project, formed his own rival distribution, OpenBSD, as the result of a quarrel that he documents on his website. Mr. de Raadt's stubborn arrogance was later seen in his clash with Darren Reed, which resulted in the expulsion of IPF from the OpenBSD distribution.

    As personal rivalries took precedence over a quality product, BSD's codebase became worse and worse. As we all know, incompatibilities between each BSD distribution make code sharing an arduous task. Research conducted at MIT found BSD's filesystem implementation to be "very poorly performing." Even BSD's acclaimed TCP/IP stack has lagged behind, according to this study.

    Problems with BSD's codebase were compounded by fundamental flaws in the BSD design approach. As argued by Eric Raymond in his watershed essay, The Cathedral and the Bazaar, rapid, decentralized development models are inherently superior to slow, centralized ones in software development. BSD developers never heeded Mr. Raymond's lesson and insisted that centralized models lead to 'cleaner code.' Don't believe their hype - BSD's development model has significantly impaired its progress. Any achievements that BSD managed to make were nullified by the BSD license, which allows corporations and coders alike to reap profits without reciprocating the goodwill of open-source. Fortunately, Linux is not prone to this exploitation, as it is licensed under the GPL.

    The failure of BSD culminated in the resignation of Jordan Hubbard and Michael Smith from the FreeBSD core team. They both believed that FreeBSD had long lost its earlier vitality. Like an empire in decline, BSD had become bureaucratic and stagnant. As Linux gains market share and as BSD sinks deeper into the mire of decay, their parting addresses will resound as fitting eulogies to BSD's demise.

  6. *BSD is dying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    It is official. Netcraft had confirmed: *BSD is dying

    One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

    You don't need to be the Amazing Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

    FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

    Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

    OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

    Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

    All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

    Fact: *BSD is dying

  7. pkgsrc by archen · · Score: 3, Interesting

    According to the report, pkgsrc is now supported in DragonflyBSD. So is DragonFly going to use pkgsrc, ports, or cook up their own solution? I'd guess that since DragonFly is free to be rather experimental that they'll try something new, but I'm sure they'll need to use something else in the mean time.

    1. Re:pkgsrc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Last time I checked, the Dragonfly folks were planning to cook up their own packaging system. It's sort of a necessity with the way their VFS system is going to work. I figure that they'll end up with something like ports+portupgrade (but smoother operating) with support for multiple versions of programs/libraries being installed at the same time.

    2. Re:pkgsrc by compass46 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Other way around, pkgsrc supports DragonFly. Just as pkgsrc supports FreeBSD but that doesn't imply FreeBSD supports pkgsrc.

      And someone mod the other reply to this up. Whoever modded it down is retarded.

    3. Re:pkgsrc by Homology · · Score: 4, Interesting
      In OpenBSD current there is (alot of) work to enhance the portsystem with a portupdate functionality as well, and hopefully this will be completed before release of OpenBSD 3.7. Looking forward to that functionality.

      As for DragonFly, it's my impression that they want to write their own, but for the moment they piggyback on FreeBSD ports system. I think that DragonFly rejected the other ports systems as inadequate for their needs (in an interview with Dillon).

  8. New logo... by ArbitraryConstant · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The new logo is so neutral and devoid of meaning, so "politically correct" that it says nothing at all about the project. It's not even distinctive enough to be recognized out of context.

    If I see a blowfish, I know it's OpenBSD. If I see Tux, I know it's Linux. But if I saw that damned flag without the word "NetBSD" nearby, there's no way I'd associate it with the project.

    This is why mascots should not be chosen by committee.

    --
    I rarely criticize things I don't care about.
    1. Re:New logo... by Brandybuck · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Tux and Puffy are *mascots* and not *logos*. The new logo is just that, a logo. Logos are not mascots and mascots are not logos. Just because Linux and OpenBSD do not have logos does not mean NetBSD should not have one either.

      --
      Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
    2. Re:New logo... by MrBoombasticfantasti · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Strictly speaking the NetBSD flag isn't a logo, but an emblem. A proper logo is readable and commonly consists of a brandname in a specific and usually artistic typeface.

      While Tux (as an emblem and/or mascot) is recognized because of gross overexposure in any and all media this is not true of Puffy. Not only does the picture change with every new release (check out the t-shirt page http://www.openbsd.org/tshirts.html) but it isn't quite clear what it stands for if you do not already know.

      I, for one, think the NetBSD flag is quite good. The design is crisp, has upbeat colors and anyway, it's a bloody step forward from that fugly Iwo Jima picture.

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  9. Same old FUD... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    Same old FUD, that has been disproved countless times...

  10. Requiem for the FUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Redundant
    // Please *don't* mod this up. It has already been done! Thx

    ... facts are facts. ;)

    FreeBSD:
    FreeBSD, Stealth-Growth Open Source Project (Jun 2004)
    "FreeBSD has dramatically increased its market penetration over the last year."
    Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD (Jun 2004)
    "[FreeBSD] has secured a strong foothold with the hosting community and continues to grow, gaining over a million hostnames and half a million active sites since July 2003."
    What's New in the FreeBSD Network Stack (Sep 2004)
    "FreeBSD can now route 1Mpps on a 2.8GHz Xeon whilst Linux can't do much more than 100kpps."

    NetBSD:
    NetBSD sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (May 2004)
    NetBSD again sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (30 Sep 2004)

    OpenBSD:
    OpenBSD Widens Its Scope (Nov 2004)
    Review: OpenBSD 3.6 shows steady improvement (Nov 2004)

    *BSD in general:
    Deep study: The world's safest computing environment (Nov 2004)
    "The world's safest and most secure 24/7 online computing environment - operating system plus applications - is proving to be the Open Source platform of BSD (Berkeley Software Distribution) and the Mac OS X based on Darwin."
    ..and last but not least, we have the cutest mascot as well - undisputedly. ;)

    --
    Being able to read *other people's* source code is a nice thing, not a 'fundamental freedom'.

  11. Emily Dickinson Mourns *BSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    Because I could not stop for Death,
    He kindly stopped for *BSD;
    The carriage held but just our bad code
    And our mortality.

    We slowly drove, he knew no haste,
    Passing Linux, we dared salute, a foe superior
    My coding work was but a-waste,
    Doomed OS a triviality.
  12. Lights out, pard. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    Somewhere, in a lonely hospital room,
    *BSD is dying
  13. the Truth beneath the Veil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1
    Whatever the differences a few of us might possess, we certainly can strive to find some common ground. And when it comes to the subject of operating systems, no doubt all of us can easily acknowledge the plain truth that in the balance *BSD would have to be considered a failure. So why did *BSD fail? What is at the root of *BSD's colossal miscue?

    Once you get past the fact that *BSD is fragmented between a myriad of incompatible kernels, there is the historical record of failure and of failed operating systems. *BSD experienced moderate success about 15 years ago in academic circles. Since then it has been in steady decline. We all know *BSD keeps losing market share but why? Is it the problematic personalities of many of the key players? Or is it larger than their troubled personae?

    The record is clear on one thing: no operating system has ever come back from the grave. Efforts to resuscitate *BSD are one step away from spiritualists wishing to communicate with the dead. As the situation grows more desperate for the adherents of this doomed OS, the sorrow takes hold. An unremitting gloom hangs like a death shroud over a once hopeful *BSD community. The hope is gone; a mournful nostalgia has settled in. Now is the end time for *BSD.

  14. Lessons from the Grave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    What We Can Learn From BSD
    By Chinese Karma Whore, Version 1.0

    Everyone knows about BSD's failure and imminent demise. As we pore over the history of BSD, we'll uncover a story of the fatal mistakes, poor priorities, and personal rivalry, and we'll learn what mistakes to avoid so as to save Linux from a similarly grisly fate.

    Let's not be overly morbid and give BSD credit for its early successes. In the 1970s, Ken Thompson and Bill Joy both made significant contributions to the computing world on the BSD platform. In the 80s, DARPA saw BSD as the premiere open platform, and, after initial successes with the 4.1BSD product, gave the BSD company a 2 year contract.

    These early triumphs would soon be forgotten in a series of internal conflicts that would mar BSD's progress. In 1992, AT&T filed suit against Berkeley Software, claiming that proprietary code agreements had been haphazardly violated. In the same year, BSD filed countersuit, reciprocating bad intentions and fueling internal rivalry. While AT&T and Berkeley Software lawyers battled in court, lead developers of various BSD distributions quarreled on Usenet. In 1995, Theo de Raadt, one of the founders of the NetBSD project, formed his own rival distribution, OpenBSD, as the result of a quarrel that he documents on his website. Mr. de Raadt's stubborn arrogance was later seen in his clash with Darren Reed, which resulted in the expulsion of IPF from the OpenBSD distribution.

    As personal rivalries took precedence over a quality product, BSD's codebase became worse and worse. As we all know, incompatibilities between each BSD distribution make code sharing an arduous task. Research conducted at MIT found BSD's filesystem implementation to be "very poorly performing." Even BSD's acclaimed TCP/IP stack has lagged behind, according to this study.

    Problems with BSD's codebase were compounded by fundamental flaws in the BSD design approach. As argued by Eric Raymond in his watershed essay, The Cathedral and the Bazaar, rapid, decentralized development models are inherently superior to slow, centralized ones in software development. BSD developers never heeded Mr. Raymond's lesson and insisted that centralized models lead to 'cleaner code.' Don't believe their hype - BSD's development model has significantly impaired its progress. Any achievements that BSD managed to make were nullified by the BSD license, which allows corporations and coders alike to reap profits without reciprocating the goodwill of open-source. Fortunately, Linux is not prone to this exploitation, as it is licensed under the GPL.

    The failure of BSD culminated in the resignation of Jordan Hubbard and Michael Smith from the FreeBSD core team. They both believed that FreeBSD had long lost its earlier vitality. Like an empire in decline, BSD had become bureaucratic and stagnant. As Linux gains market share and as BSD sinks deeper into the mire of decay, their parting addresses will resound as fitting eulogies to BSD's demise.

  15. Same old Linux FUD... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Redundant

    Same old Linux FUD, that has been disproved countless times...

  16. Developer laments: What Killed FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait
    The End of FreeBSD

    [ed. note: in the following text, former FreeBSD developer Mike Smith gives his reasons for abandoning FreeBSD]

    When I stood for election to the FreeBSD core team nearly two years ago, many of you will recall that it was after a long series of debates during which I maintained that too much organisation, too many rules and too much formality would be a bad thing for the project.

    Today, as I read the latest discussions on the future of the FreeBSD project, I see the same problem; a few new faces and many of the old going over the same tired arguments and suggesting variations on the same worthless schemes. Frankly I'm sick of it.

    FreeBSD used to be fun. It used to be about doing things the right way. It used to be something that you could sink your teeth into when the mundane chores of programming for a living got you down. It was something cool and exciting; a way to spend your spare time on an endeavour you loved that was at the same time wholesome and worthwhile.

    It's not anymore. It's about bylaws and committees and reports and milestones, telling others what to do and doing what you're told. It's about who can rant the longest or shout the loudest or mislead the most people into a bloc in order to legitimise doing what they think is best. Individuals notwithstanding, the project as a whole has lost track of where it's going, and has instead become obsessed with process and mechanics.

    So I'm leaving core. I don't want to feel like I should be "doing something" about a project that has lost interest in having something done for it. I don't have the energy to fight what has clearly become a losing battle; I have a life to live and a job to keep, and I won't achieve any of the goals I personally consider worthwhile if I remain obligated to care for the project.

    Discussion

    I'm sure that I've offended some people already; I'm sure that by the time I'm done here, I'll have offended more. If you feel a need to play to the crowd in your replies rather than make a sincere effort to address the problems I'm discussing here, please do us the courtesy of playing your politics openly.

    From a technical perspective, the project faces a set of challenges that significantly outstrips our ability to deliver. Some of the resources that we need to address these challenges are tied up in the fruitless metadiscussions that have raged since we made the mistake of electing officers. Others have left in disgust, or been driven out by the culture of abuse and distraction that has grown up since then. More may well remain available to recruitment, but while the project is busy infighting our chances for successful outreach are sorely diminished.

    There's no simple solution to this. For the project to move forward, one or the other of the warring philosophies must win out; either the project returns to its laid-back roots and gets on with the work, or it transforms into a super-organised engineering project and executes a brilliant plan to deliver what, ultimately, we all know we want.

    Whatever path is chosen, whatever balance is struck, the choosing and the striking are the important parts. The current indecision and endless conflict are incompatible with any sort of progress.

    Trying to dissect the above is far beyond the scope of any parting shot, no matter how distended. All I can really ask of you all is to let go of the minutiae for a moment and take a look at the big picture. What is the ultimate goal here? How can we get there with as little overhead as possible? How would you like to be treated by your fellow travellers?

    Shouts

    To the Slashdot "BSD is dying" crowd - big deal. Death is part of the cycle; take a look at your soft, pallid bodies and consider that right this very moment, parts of you are dying. See? It's not so bad.

    To the bulk of the FreeBSD committerbase and the developer community at large - keep your eyes on the real goals. It

  17. Wired News Confirms: *BSD is Dying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    IT IS OFFICIAL; WIRED NEWS CONFIRMS: LINUX IS SUPERIOR TO *BSD
    *BSD is Dying, Says Respected Journal

    Linux advocates have long insisted that open-source development results in better and more secure software. Now they have statistics to back up their claims.

    According to a four-year analysis of the 5.7 million lines of Linux source code conducted by five Stanford University computer science researchers, the Linux kernel programming code is better and more secure than the programming code of *BSD.

    The report, set to be released on Tuesday, states that the 2.6 Linux production kernel, shipped with software from Red Hat, Novell and other major Linux software vendors, contains 985 bugs in 5.7 million lines of code, well below the average for *BSD software. NetBSD, by comparison, contains about 40 million lines of code, with new bugs found on a frequent basis.

    *BSD software typically has 20 to 30 bugs for every 1,000 lines of code, according to Carnegie Mellon University's CyLab Sustainable Computing Consortium. This would be equivalent to 114,000 to 171,000 bugs in 5.7 million lines of code.

    The study identified 0.17 bugs per 1,000 lines of code in the Linux kernel. Of the 985 bugs identified, 627 were in critical parts of the kernel. Another 569 could cause a system crash, 100 were security holes, and 33 of the bugs could result in less-than-optimal system performance.

    Seth Hallem, CEO of Coverity, a provider of source-code analysis, noted that the majority of the bugs documented in the study have already been fixed by members of the Linux development community.

    "Our findings show that Linux contains an extremely low defect rate and is evidence of the strong security of Linux," said Hallem. "Many security holes in software are the result of software bugs that can be eliminated with good programming processes. However, we believe that the NetBSD developers have shown that they don't have the proficiency to adopt good programming processes. At this rate, we are convinced that NetBSD -- and perhaps all of the BSDs -- are dying, except for OS dilitant dabblers."

    The Linux source-code analysis project started in 2000 at the Stanford University Computer Science Research Center as part of a large research initiative to improve core software engineering processes in the software industry.

    The initiative now continues at Coverity, a software engineering startup that now employs the five researchers who conducted the study. Coverity said it intends to start providing Linux bug analysis reports on a regular basis and will make a summary of the results freely available to the Linux development community.

    "This is a benefit to the Linux development community, and we appreciate Coverity's efforts to help us improve the security and stability of Linux," said Andrew Morton, lead Linux kernel maintainer. Morton said developers have already addressed the top-priority bugs uncovered in the study.