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Masked Email Activist Can Stay Anonymous

Mitchell writes "The NewStandard is reporting that a Texas judge ruled in favor of an anonymous political activist who used a Yahoo! email account to notify the press and to potential voters about the wasteful spending practices of Texas politician Jimmy Cokinos. Cokinos lost relection, and tried to nail "recall_carl01" with a defamation lawsuit, but a judge threw out the bid since the emailed critiques weren't defamatory."

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  1. Urm by mistersooreams · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This case isn't really that interesting, since it was rejected before an issue of privacy became involved. Someone sued for defamation; the judge said no defamation had taken place; end of case. It would be a lot more interesting if the judge had considered the case worthy of being heard, and had to decide whether the unmasking of an anonymous emailer was appropriate. Is there any precident for this?

    1. Re:Urm by DarkKnightRadick · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I agree, it's not that interesting but at the same time, I like to hear about such cases because it reassures me that the entire system isn't completely pwned by political corruption and our Corporate Overlords. Give this judge a pat on the back.

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    2. Re:Urm by Timesprout · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you need reassurace from stories about non stories on slashdot then its way too late for you my friend.

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  2. The lawsuit was pointless anyway by Anita+Coney · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It appeared that Cokinos was under the impression that Yahoo! had recall_carl01's real identity. I'd bet any money that the person behind recall_carl01 used fake sign-up information to get the account.

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    1. Re:The lawsuit was pointless anyway by temojen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why would she do that in order to do protected political speech? Or is there something about the political climate in the US I don't know about?

    2. Re:The lawsuit was pointless anyway by ari_j · · Score: 2, Insightful

      the vast majority of people who sign up for free accounts use fake IDs.

      Do you have any evidence to back this claim up?

    3. Re:The lawsuit was pointless anyway by houghi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'd bet any money that the person behind recall_carl01 used fake sign-up information to get the account.

      What he wrote down is not imprtant. No idea how things happen in the US, but this is what would happen in Belgium.

      Investigation starts. A court order will allow private information to be summond. The email-company will be contacted and asked or summoned to hand over information. Together with what somebody fills out, they will give logfiles with IP adresses.

      With the IP adress and logfile they will summon the prvider to hand over information who made contact with that IP at a certain time.

      Yes, there are ways to go around that as well. However what you fill out will not be the end of an investigation. It will only be a slight hinder.

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  3. Texas judge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am amazed at common sense rulings in Texas and constantly ashamed of rulings from California's Federal 9th Circuit Court?

  4. Re:And in other news... by jonno317 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Possibly because it's shocking to the general population that the system actually does work the way it should periodically.

  5. Re:Hopefully by Antonymous+Flower · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes, hopefully. However, this is not a direct display of that. The ruling is not particularly in favor of anonymity. The facts revealed that there was no defamatory statements, and thus there was no case.

  6. Re:And in other news... by TheCabal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is how its supposed to work (aka "dog bites man"). How is it news?

    Maybe because it hasn't worked in such a long time (privacy), that it's newsworthy when it does.

  7. Service of process online by ari_j · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Truth is an absolute defense to libel and slander and so forth. My only question is how they served process on a Yahoo ID. You can't sue someone that you can't bring into court, and it's difficult to remain anonymous when you do get brought into court. This case is interesting to me purely for its procedural side. Substantively, it's boring and I have no idea how it made the front page over more interesting cases such as the lawsuit against Sony's legal affairs director for illegally enslaving his housekeeper.

    1. Re:Service of process online by Osty · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You can't sue someone that you can't bring into court, and it's difficult to remain anonymous when you do get brought into court. This case is interesting to me purely for its procedural side.

      Yes you can, and many people do file John Doe lawsuits. If the suit goes forward, then a subpoena can be issued to determine the identity of the John or Jane Doe named in the suit. Of course, this does provide a bit of a Catch-22. How do you fight a subpoena to reveal your identity if you don't know that it's your identity that's going to be revealed?

  8. Re:Hopefully by coyote-san · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You should not have an impenetrable shield from criminal prosecution or civil compensation just because your actions are online. Think about phishers - I cannot think of any reason whatsoever why their identities should be protected. Another good example is slander - I can understand the need for rape victims (for instance) being able to have true anonyminity when reporting abuse to authorities, but that anonyminity ends when they publicly accuse somebody of committing a crime - a person has the right to defend themselves from false allegations.

    On the other hand compelled disclosure of our true names on demand would be analogous to 7-11 demanding your driver's license before you could buy a soda. It's reasonable - even prudent - to maintain multiple pseudonyms across multiple sites.

    In the middle there are illegal acts that can be performed by maintaining multiple pseudonyms. A classic example is "pump and dump" stock manipulation.

    It's a very complex question and it's important to remember that there's a distinction between "pseudonymity" and "anonyminity".

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  9. Re:Hopefully by mordors9 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    They have invented a right to privacy. Surely that means more than just abortion.

  10. Re:Hopefully by racecarj · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "On the other hand compelled disclosure of our true names on demand would be analogous to 7-11 demanding your driver's license before you could buy a soda. It's reasonable - even prudent - to maintain multiple pseudonyms across multiple sites." ... Or for that matter Radio Shack asking for your ID when you buy batteries.

  11. Re:And in other news... by bigsteve@dstc · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Actually, it IS about privacy, even if the judge did not explicitly mention this issue. (And without the court record, we don't know!)

    One of the aims of the politician who brought the lawsuit would have been to unmask the poster. I guess he/his lawyers thought it would be a significant detterent to critics if an anonymous email poster's identity could be revealed (and hence his privacy could be breached) by means a bogus defamation lawsuit.

    It is newsworthy that this tactic was tried, and newsworthy that the courts barred it.