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Hylton Jolliffe writes "I wanted to alert you to an article by research Marc Eisenstadt that digs deep into BitTorrent, its potential and limitations and its implications for podcasting, filesharing and more."

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  1. Another useless blog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful


    Yet another third rate 'blog' that no one has heard of tries to get attention to itself by submitting stories to slashdot. The guy doesn't mention eDonkey/eMule at all while it is still the most widely used P2P network in the world.
    You really can't be too suprised when Michael "PayPal Accepted" Sims is doing the story approvals.

    1. Re:Another useless blog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Care to back up that claim that eDonkey/eMule is the most popular? Last time I checked BitTorrent was taking up something absurd like 60% of all Internet traffic, let alone P2P traffic.

  2. Legal uses by jacobcaz · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Just a few days ago I used BT for the first time to download a Knoppix 3.7 ISO. I was trying to download from the various mirrors, but the speed I was getting was terrible - around 2.9KBps.

    I grabbed BT for Win2000 and installed it in about 7 minutes, then I hit the torrent link for Knoppix. I was downloading the ISO at around 36KBps (about the limit of my DSL connection).

    Since I was heading to bed while it downloaded, I left BT up that night and the next day while I was at work to help other people out.

    I had seen BT as a place to snag nothing but rips of movies, and I've stayed away. The legal-usese BT community needs to do a better job of promoting the positive and allowable uses of BT and P2P sharing tools. They have a way to negative stigma right now.

    1. Re:Legal uses by bennomatic · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Totally agree. However, even the non-legit uses will probably eventually become legit. Like VCRs did after Sony was vindicated by the court decision against the MPAA which found that there were more legal uses for video tapes than illegal uses, or at least enough to justify their existence in the consumer market. Once the MPAA had to embrace it, they stopped fighting the VCR, and--miracle of miracles--the rental market padded their wallets quite nicely.

      I think we'll eventually see something similar here. A distributed distribution network which (i.e. Blockbuster) subscribers can use to download movies to their set-top boxes. And the network would be made up of those set-top boxes, so BB (or whoever) could cheaply distribute the movies that subscribers are requesting.

      The success of services like Netflix show that people want delivery. Storefront rental operations have stopped growing except in niche markets. The sooner that the industry in general, and companies like Blockbuster in particular give up their attachment to the physical disk/tape, the better they'll do.

      Of course, I like to root for the little guy. Maybe the moment that there's too much competition in the DVD mailer business, Netflix will unveil some secret deal they've worked out with the MPAA and a box they've developed and ship it out to all their customers for free, and it'll contain an embedded BT client for downloading and distributing all the latest cool films...

      --
      The CB App. What's your 20?
    2. Re:Legal uses by daeg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      On that same topic, Azureus is also a quite capable BT client. Far better than the official Python client, especially from an ease-of-use GUI standpoint. Has the ease of use most of us want, but also those power-user style options if you need/want them.

      Quite impressive, and extremely responsive for being written in Java. Never crashed, eiter.

  3. eMule stats not to be believed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This page suggests that the number of users is due to fake servers.

  4. Crippling upstream BW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    All of the neat 'broadcast' stuff that could be happening on the net is being stifled by the 10:1 download:upload formula used by cable and phone internet bit carrying companies.

    As businesses, selling bit toting services and desireous of entering the IP content delivery business, this makes sense. Why should users be able to distribute content for free when they can charge for delivery.

    As it stands now, live music broadcastss are barely possible using a packet synchrounous distributed network. For top quality ogg, it's not possible. The only alternative is a slew of big fat servers like the akamai network.

    What to do about it? Who knows. But it's going to kill the internet for individual audio/video broadcasting.

    Yes, I know about mbone.
    Yes, I know it's not really broadcast when it's distributed throungh a big tree of 'relays' which introduce some tolerable latency.

  5. Re:Article Text by ajs · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm a user of Gnutella, so let me take that angle on the article. Gnutella today does not match his historical factoids. The network is quite robust and also possesses the multi-sourced download capabilities of BitTorrent. However, where BT requires a centralized "tracker", any node in the Gnutella universe can be a "tracker" at any time. This is the result of a protocol extension introduced quite some time ago (long enough that it seems to be widely supported by all of the clients that I connect to) where the client that you request a file from informs all of the nodes that it knows about who also have the file that they should contact you. They send you a UDP message indicating that they have the file, and you treat that much like a search result.

    Thus, when you search you might see 5 sources, but as you start to download, you immediately see that you're downloading from 50 hosts. It's pretty slick, and amazingly resilient.

    I don't even bother using anything else these days, when I can download a multi-gig OS image at the capacity of my connection.

    I also use magnet links to share my photography under a creative commons license. See, for example, a tree at my grandfather's house

  6. New Category for P2P? by vyrus128 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How about a "Peer2Peer" category for Slashdot? Who's with me? :-)

  7. "Centralization" has a purpose by henrypijames · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Especially in the past few months, "decentralizing BitTorrent" has become a really hot topic where everybody wants to share his idea of getting rid of the annoyance of a tracker. It surprises me that most people - even many developers of BitTorrent compatible software whom I know and respect - seem to overlook the fact that BitTorrent's "centralized structure" is there for a reason.

    The reason is called _control_.

    First let me repeat what Bram uses to emphasize on every opportunity: BitTorrent is not a _filesharing_, but a file _distribution_ protocol. Considering that, the tracker is not a "single point of failure", as many suggest, but a "single point of control". With a tracker existing, access to the files being distributed can be (indirectly) controlled via access control lists (ACL) built into the tracker. For instance, one tracker may answer to authenticated users only, another tracker may postpone general access and grand exclusive "early stage access" to peers from certain IP range within a time frame of the files' release. Unfortunately, the ACL part of the (original) tracker has not been implemented until today (partly my own fault, I have to admit), but some alternative tracker implementations do have this since a long time now - often used to reward "good behaving" users (TorrentBits, anybody?).

    Control is probably a bad thing for filesharing, but it is an important issue for file distribution. As for the availability of the tracker, it wouldn't be such a widespreed problem if not for legal issues, which in turn is because BitTorrent is actually "misused" for filesharing. So in other words, BitTorrent has not been decentralized not because we couldn't do it, but because we want to keep the option of control open.

    Henry 'Pi' James (member of the developer team of the original BitTorrent)

    PS: Since I've already explained how BitTorrent is not designed for filesharing, I also want to point out it is in fact not really suitable for filesharing. The "swarming effect" - which is what BitTorrent is all about - can only be achieved in "slashdotting scenarios", that's why BitTorrent has been adapted for filesharing by two major groups first: anime fanssubbers and tv ep captors, both releasing "hot content" whose value decreases fast, compared to movies or software, for example. For the sharing of mid and long term files, BitTorrent does not really have a significant advantage over other P2P systems.