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First BitTorrent Arrest in Hong Kong
prostoalex writes "Associated Press says a 38-year-old was arrested in Hong Kong for uploading Daredevil, Red Planet and Miss Congeniality via a BitTorrent client. Hong Kong laws provide for a maximum of 4 years in prison and $6,400 fine for every copy distributed without copyright owner's permission."
Rather, they prosecute bad taste in Hong Kong.
He was a bittorrent freeloader so he's only responsible for uploading 0.013 copies. That's... what? 83 bucks? I think he'll be fine.
FACT: At some point in any file distribution protocol on the Internet a 'client' has been directed to a 'server' (peers, whatever) for a piece of information. The 'client' asks for this info and the 'server' provides it.
If the info being transfered is copyrighted then it is not legal for the 'client' to ask for and accept this info nor it is it legal for the 'server' to respond to these requests. If both the 'client' and 'server' are coroporating then this transfer will happen just fine.
If however either the 'client' or the 'server' are undercover 'good guys' then they can easilly rat out the other party; who, in the Internet, can eventually be tracked down and served with a lawsuit.
If you are running software that either requests (a 'client') or distributes (a 'server') information subject to copyrights then the copyright holder or an agent acting on their behalf can bust you, provided that the magic peer-to-peer search leads them to you (or your search leads you to them).
The only legal questions are whether this constitutes entrapment. If it does the pirates win and copyright law is broken. If it doesn't then the RIAA/MPAA/whoever wins and copyright law is safe.
All the fancy peer-to-peer protocol magic in the world can't change these basic facts. You don't anonymously receive and send packets on the Internet, you have a designated IP address and that can be followed to you.
On the other hand a different argument based on 'first principles' makes 'Digital copyright management' schemes such as CSS, HDCP, and Windows media also can't work.
The end result is that reality is set up to make copyright infringement impossible to stop and also impossible to hide (unless you absolutely trust who you are sharing information with, an unreasonable assumption).
This is just like the rest of life, breaking the law (murder, terrorism, etc) is VERY easy but getting away with it is VERY hard thus we make the punishment too great to worth the risk. Of course terrorism fails to respond to this formula and thus results in an up-hill battle that no one likes (lack of freedoms, privacy and security), one that eventually is destined to fail terribly.
Since when does Hong Kong care about copyright/patent enforcement? The last time I was there I could have gotten a (counterfeit) North Face coat, Rolex watch, and Prada bag, and for about $100US. What gives? 3 movies? I mean, seriously...
Bull.
My rights are not affected by the prosecution of some pirate. We don't have, nor should we expect, the right to pirate movies.
The punishment for distributing Miss Congeniality, legally or illegally, should be death.
There are 2 kinds of people in this world. Those that can keep their train of thought,
Don't call it a "BitTorrent Arrest" -- some of my best friends use BitTorrent for perfectly legitimate reasons... It's really an arrest for piracy.
who's moderating the meta-moderators?
We don't have, nor should we expect, the right to pirate movies.
But I love Pirate movies! The Curse of the Black Pearl was awesome!
"I planned within my means and got a fixed rate mortgage, so where's MY bailout?" -cafepress
...and so it should. You don't get to break the rules when programming. Why should you get to break them in real life?
The man wasn't arrested for using BitTorrent, or for using the Internet, or for using his computer, or for having an opinion, or for speaking out. He was arrested for committing a crime which he knew to be a crime. This is as it should be.
The truth is that the Hong Kong street vendors selling pirated copies of movies, software, etc are taking a beating from the people choosing to use P2P methods of obtaining their media. A group of street vendors has taken it upon themselves to turn in every BT user they can identify in the hopes that people will quit using P2P and go back to the street vendors. The cops are rather upset about it to as they get kickbacks from the street vendors which have gotten smaller as well.
Mord
"How are they going to prove he "distributed" the movie if he is only serving chunks out piecemeal to various clients?"
Under U.S. copyright law, you don't have to actually prove that distribution occured -- it is generally sufficient to make a copyrighted work available for distribution. You don't have to prove that anyone downloaded the file -- simply making it available on Kazaa or whatever is sufficient. There's a case on this, Playboy v. Chuckleberry or Playbou v. Harbough, or one of the Playboy v. someone cases that raised this point.
"That's not even wrong..." -- Wolfgang Pauli
I wonder which this guy feels dumber about, getting arrested for using bittorrent, or getting arrested for distributing crap.
:P
And, I take it that figure is in USD, correct? 'cause I could probably find that much in HKD in my COUCH.
Friend: "The NIC is misconfigured..." Me: "No prob, I'll just telnet in and fix it." *Silence*
Bittorrents don't upload copyrighted files - people do.
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Hey, anyone want to go see a pirate movie?
Arrested? Thats nothing.
Yesterday, here in Malaysia a pirated VCD seller was shot in the chest with an automatic handgun by enforcement officers. Not only that, this took place in front of an coffeeshop and the slug that exited the VCD seller hit a guy having a meal.
The VCD seller was unarmed.
The MPAA ought to be proud of us.
Sometimes I wish I was a plumber, then I'd know how to deal with other people's shit.
Pirated DVDs actually bring money into the local/Chinese economy and encourage trade. Online piracy doesn't, since no money changes hands. So from a Chinese perspective, this guy really was hurting the economy for much the same reasons as the *AA claims, just with the added irony of those reasons being themselves illegal in a much more conventional sense.
---If you can't trust a nerd, who can you trust?
We don't have, nor should we expect, the right to pirate movies.
That's not the issue, not by a mile.
What rights are you willing to surrender so that the state and corporations may more effectively combat piracy?
Your rights most certainly are affected by the laws, many created just recently, that protect intellectual property holders. The Betamax decision, which made home taping legal, is being eroded at an ever increasing pace. The powers-that-be are actively seeking an end-around against Fair Use and the Doctrine Of First Sale.
You know this, right? You're supposed to know this, this is Slashdot. Idiots like me blather and foam about this stuff all day.
I realize the perp is in Hong Kong. I thought that it might be a useful tidbit of info to outline what U.S. law says about this. That's why I prefaced my remark by saying "Under U.S. copyright law."
However, I guess my thought was wrong. I am so sorry.
But hey, at least I learned that I am a douche bag, so it wasn't a complete waste of time...
"That's not even wrong..." -- Wolfgang Pauli
No, distribution is merely an exercise of freedom of speech, and that's a natural right.
This right is partially, temporarily, waived by society in order to further other societal interests, but the previous poster's point remains a good one: what are these interests that are so compelling as to justify an infringement on free speech?
We should never assume that copyright is inevitable. Rather, we should consider it critically and always reassess whether it is desirable at all, and if so, to what extent.
-- This and all my posts are in the public domain. I am a lawyer. I am not your lawyer, and this is not legal advice.
Can anyone explain to me why it's their right to hold copyrights in perpetuity?
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That would not work with bittorrent.
Once you are associated with the tracker your IP address is visible to everyone in the swarm.
All the *IAA has to do is pretend to be a user, connect to your client, and decrypt data received from *YOUR* IP address and it's game over....
- PS. This is what part of the alphabet would look like if Q and R where eliminated.