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Physicists Work on Physics' Uncool Image

WindowsTroll writes "Since it seems that science doesn't appeal to the youth of today, physicists are trying to make physics kid friendly. From the article, 'Bicycle stunts, rap music and modern dance -- all in the name of Einstein.' I am particularly interested in the modern dance, thinking that this is probably a better approach of studying oscillations than the springs that I used when I was in college."

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  1. Too Late! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I believe one Bill Nye The Science Guy has already accomplished making Physics (and science in general) "cool".

    1. Re:Too Late! by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 3, Informative

      You whippersnappers! Mr. Wizard was cool when Bill Nye was but a pup.

  2. MC Hawking by grahamsz · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think they should get MC Hawking to promote physics

    http://www.mchawking.com/

    He rocks :) I still like " F*ck the Creationists" best :)

  3. Absolute Zero by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The flipside of that double-edged sword is that physics will be infiltrated by people who want to be "cool", rather than just smart. Physics is already cool, because it *creates* coolness. Most "cool" kids aren't cool at all; they're just smart at looking cool, copying the people who other people say are cool. Truly cool physics is asymptotically low entropy; that won't be making the cover of the _Rolling Stone_ anytime soon.

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  4. Kid friendly? by StevenHenderson · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Why does physics have to be kid-friendly?

    The shit is hard.

    Like computers/programming, kids will pick it up if they have the interest...

    1. Re:Kid friendly? by bcrowell · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Are "fun" and "cool" two different things?

      When I was a kid, I had fun reading science fiction, and that was not considered a cool way to have fun. But science fiction got me interested in math and science, and now I'm a physics teacher.

      Lots of kids are interested in things that are not at all easy: playing music, riding their bike off the roof of their house, etc. Why should we try to make a difficult thing seem easy in order to make more kids do it? And what makes us adults think we have any influence over what kids see as fun and cool?

      A lot of these efforts also stem from a misconception that a lot of people have, which is that there's somehow a shortage of scientists. Sorry, just not true. There is no need to encourage more kids to go into science. In fact, as a science teacher, I see a lot of the opposite phenomenon: kids who really care about jazz, or photography, but whose parents are pushing them to do science or computers, because they think it'll be more likely to lead to a good job. Well, actually, a really talented, dedicated jazz musician probably has much better job prospects than someone fresh out of college with a biology degree and a 1.7 GPA.

  5. Physics and Geeks by Daxx_61 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It all links to the reasons that smart kids are so unpopular at school. Maybe because being smart is seen as an attempt to suck up to the teachers, or picking on nerdy kids is a defence mechanism to cope with lack of ability, but Physics Expert = Geek in many people's eyes.

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    1. Re:Physics and Geeks by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Whatever. Smart kids aren't unpopular at school. Geeks are, maybe, but that's a subset of the smart people.

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  6. Classic Simple Harmonic Motion Lesson Joke by ProudClod · · Score: 4, Funny

    How do you tittilate an ocelot?

    Oscillate it's tits a lot!

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  7. Good intentions but... by jerometremblay · · Score: 5, Interesting

    To make sciences look cool, you need to fix the problem that causes nerds to be unpopular.

    As if

  8. Re:Kids are too smart for this by Spyffe · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Absolutely. Dressing up subject material in "bling" doesn't make it any more palatable. The way to make science more accessible is to teach an enjoyment for learning how the world works at an early age.

    Kids know that science is not entertainment, and trying to dress it up as such tells them that you don't think science itself is worthwhile. Enthusiasm for the subject on the part of the teacher is worth more than a world of interpretive dances and rap tunes.

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  9. Bring back the cool experiments by grahamsz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Things you probably cant do nowadays but we did in high school (which was only 8 yrs ago)

    1) Play with radioactive stuff

    2) Use transformers to run some 14kV distribution lines up and down the classroom to show the decrease in cable loss

    3) Show that the high voltage back-emf spikes from a relay closing can jam your nerve signals and leave you unable to move (ala taser)

    4) Look inside classmates with ultrasound

    5) Find out how much voltage it takes to blow up a capacitor

    Even then our teacher had a closet full of 'special equipment' that he'd smuggle home every time the inspectors came round to visit.

    I loved physics and i can assure you that 90% of my high school classmates concurred that it was better than chemsitry or biology or social "science". The experiments make it fun.

    1. Re:Bring back the cool experiments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      my current physics teacher does a lot of this and his classes are always packed, especially the high level ones. last year as an end of the year physics project he let us go wild, my group built a gauss coil gun, another group built a trebuchet (which we used for a lab this year). He is the only teacher I ever had that uses computers correctly and for educational use. He is especially great after natural disasters because he has dual masters in Geology and physics (I have no clue why he works in a public school) and his lectures about the disasters are about 1000x more informative and interesting then any major newsmedia Ive read.

  10. Rap? Modern dance?! Just show them the physics! by 01dbs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My graduate fellowship (in physics) requires me to spend two days a week working with the science classes at a local high school, and I can say from experience that gimmicky pedagogical tricks like those mentioned in the article aren't the way to get kids (except maybe very young children) interested in science. The stuff just comes off as incredibly lame, and physicists end up looking like bigger geeks than they already are.

    The way to engage kids is simply to show them the physics at work. I've got kids making plasma in a microwave, measuring the temperature of the sun with a cup of water, studying paper airplane trajectories, making stereo speakers. Physics is interesting and it's ubiquitous, so there's always something kind of cool that the kids can relate to. The secret is to let them see what's happening, get their hands dirty, and most importantly, let them ask the questions.

    Find interesting (but safe) project, put them in charge, and they're hooked.

  11. Re:What? by Lindsay+Lohan · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Real physicists like Stephen Hawking... are very cool!
    I couldn't agree more. God playing dice, black holes, "A Brief History of Time"... these are not stale topics but a newcomers to physics and experts alike might find SH riveting. Check out his lectures, they're not dry, but alive and well-written.
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  13. Re:What? by mobby_6kl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    >Real physicists like Stephen Hawking, and fictional ones like Quinn Mallory, are very cool!

    The problem is, we think they're cool, while most kids think the opposite.

  14. From the Onion... by dexter+riley · · Score: 4, Funny

    Raving Lunatic Obviously Took Some Advanced Physics

    STANFORD, CA--Known throughout the community for his verbal outbursts and his shopping cart full of trash, area street denizen "Cosmic Stan" must have studied advanced physics at some point, sources reported Monday.

    [Photo Caption: Cosmic Stan asks for enough change to take a bus to the Riemannian manifolds.]

    "Where's my cheese? Don't take my rowboat! Got no room!" the lunatic screamed from his regular spot near the Campus Drive bus stop. "I need space! Gimme space! Infinite dimensional separable Hilbert space!"

    Though his rants seem nonsensical to most passersby, some astute listeners say they contain evidence of higher learning.

    "I'd always see him around that bus stop, dressed in his ragged wool clothes, duct-taped shoes, and that plastic sheeting covered over with symbols drawn in magic-marker," Stanford Ph.D. candidate James Willard said. "Then, a few days ago, he was out there waving his tin-foil wand at random strangers, and I heard him yell, 'I demand that you buy me an ice-cream cone! My third-favorite flavor is strange! My second-favorite is top! My favorite flavor is anti-charmed!' Suddenly, I realized the guy was talking about quarks."

    Willard said he spent the next several minutes listening to Cosmic Stan's rant.

    "Mixed in with the usual stuff about CIA mind-control beams, talking dogs, and monkey-people, I heard him mention beta decay, instantons, density matrix, and subspaces of n-dimensional Riemannian manifolds," Willard said. "I'm not sure where he got it, but he definitely seems to have had extensive schooling in theoretical physics. Man, what could've happened to him?"

    Stanford theoretical physicist Carl Lundergaard seconded Willard's theory on the loonball.

    "He's definitely had some advanced training, though I'm not surprised that it went unnoticed for so long," Lundergaard said. "It's hard for the layperson to differentiate schizophrenic ramblings like 'Modernity chunk where the sink goes flying on the ping-pang' from legitimate terminology like 'Unstable equilibria lie on the nodal points of a separatrix in phase space.'"

    Lundergaard said he first became intrigued by Cosmic Stan in December 1999, when the homeless man threw a chicken bone at him and said, "Components of the Weyl conformal curvature tensor." The professor said he initially suspected that Stan was repeating a phrase "from a textbook he'd found in the garbage." Then, several weeks later, the screaming nutcase shouted some things that indicated a strong grasp of high-level science.

    "As I was buying coffee in the quad one morning, Stan came by waving those roller skates he sometimes wears on his hands," Lundergaard said. "I distinctly heard him say, 'I can't be in two places at once! I can't meddle in my own affairs! I can't destructively interfere with my own future plans! What do I look like--the uncollapsed wave function of an electron?' He was referring to the seemingly paradoxical aspects of wave/particle duality as illustrated by the 'two-slit' experiment in electron diffraction. Stan wasn't just mouthing phrases: The crazy homeless man knows his stuff."

    Added Lundergaard: "I almost approached him the other day to see if he had any ideas regarding the general solution for the relativistic force-free equation describing the structure of the pulsar magnetosphere, but he was busy smearing a plastic doll with glue."

    Cosmic Stan also appears to be versed in other academic subjects, Lundergaard said.

    "He seems to have a working understanding of several of the higher maths, including Zurmelo-Fraenkel set theory, category theory, and algebraic topology," Lundergaard said. "He also seems to be quite interested in the subjects of religion, sexuality, fast-food restaurants, Ferdinand de Saussure, malevolent evil, '70s TV shows, and shadowy authority figures."

    Lundergaard said he has no knowledge of Cosmic Stan's past, but theorizes that his nickname derives from the physic

    1. Re:From the Onion... by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 3, Funny
      The guy sounds like a national treasure, guys -- please make sure he has enough dirty cast-off hot dogs to eat* and somebody record everything he says. We have no modern counterpart to James Joyce.

      *or whatever the politically correct thing to say here would be

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  15. ....it's the teachers. Definitely. by trainsnpep · · Score: 3, Interesting
    As a current physics student (crazy physics idiot #3 actually) in IB HL Physics, I've gotta say this: It's all about the teachers. The teachers can make it interesting, or they can make it hell. One teacher in my school is the nicest person in the world, but she can't teach. The two physics teachers I've had are great. They encourage us to do experiments.

    Three of my friends and I wanted to take pictures of exploding balloons. So, we built a circuit to trigger a flash (a strobe actually), and borrowed a camera. We got some amazing pictures out of it (http://www.benza.us/group4/. See second- and third-to-last), while at the same time ended up with extra credit we never intended on. We even ended up doing a short lesson on it.

    To make physics cool, all you need are teachers who make it fun. When it's fun, it's cool.

    Prior to the balloons, we made a potato cannon. Our next project is a ballistic pendulum...If that's not bringing cool and physics together, I don't know what is.

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  16. Re:I disagree by Stevyn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My sophomore chemistry teacher once did a fun demonstration. He attached a rubber hose to the propane supply and the other end to a small funnel. He dipped the wide end of the funnel into a shallow dish of soapy water. When he turned on the propane, large propane bubbles formed and sank because propane is heavier than air. On the floor was a candle and the propane bubbles then burst into flames.

    He did this while playing the song "Great Balls of Fire". He was a cool teacher.

  17. Re:Kids are too smart for this by albn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have to agree. Special Relativity, General Relativity, Quantum Mechanics, Electromagnetic theory, Relativistic Thermodynamics etc. requires some serious study and discipline to master and to gain the "coolness" of what it means and what it can accomplish.

    On an elementary level, making the axioms of Special Relativity into a rap song and silly dance moves will not make somebody understand it better but make the student yawn or be uninterested even more.

    Perhaps some published results that are "visible" would be more interesting such as "What happens when you fall in a black hole" , The so-called twin/clock paradox, and other things that made Relativity famous?

    Lastly, no need to end it there... why not show some other cool things in ultra-advanced physics? Atom smashing, neutrinos, detecting gravity waves? There is still a lot more to learn and discover, because in the end, we are all students.

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  18. Re:Yeah, because we all know... by Average_Joe_Sixpack · · Score: 5, Funny

    Seriously, did he EVER get laid in those 7 years?

    Now that you mention it, no. And I don't remember him getting any on Reading Rainbow either.

  19. Re:Kids are too smart for this by Coryoth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Enthusiasm for the subject on the part of the teacher is worth more than a world of interpretive dances and rap tunes.

    Absolutely!

    I'm a professional mathematician. I've had to help a lot of people with their math, and there seems to be a pretty common problem: A bad teacher. Oddly, if you ask most people, they actually enjoyed math for a while, then had a bad teacher and they fell behind or were otherwise discouraged, found it hard, and stopped enjoying it. More often than not the "bad teacher" occurs in early primary school. Ask a few questions about why the teacher was bad and it can be easily tracked to a complete lack of enthusiasm and interest in the subject. They teach it in the most rote, boring way possible, because they (the teacher!) doesn't really want to be doing it. The reason is easy enough: The majority of people who have an interest in primary education are the sort of people who hated math at school. They then help instill this attitude in all the impressionable young kids. Attitude is infectious, especially to young minds, and someone who doesn't care about math will teach the kids not to care either.

    The fact is, kids are taught that mathematics is hard and that mathematics is boring from a very young age. Tell people that it is easy, and that they can do it, and present it with a little enthusiasm and interest, and people do get interested in mathematics again. I've had little difficulty in getting people interested in mathematics no matter how old they are - all you have to do is break through the instilled "it's hard and it's boring" attitude, there are no gimmicks required.

    Jedidiah.

  20. Things that seem to work by Somnus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm working on my PhD, and teach. What has worked for me:

    * Demos, demos, demos. The louder, brighter and more mysterious-seeming, the better.

    * Some students are into technology, others are into cosmology and exotic topics. Draw connections between their lives and physics, esp. the possibilities stemming from new developments.

    * Be very crisp in your own treatment, so the students see the beauty through complication.

    You are not going to achieve social engineering through physics. The goal is to give bright students interested in science something to think about, and hopefully excite their imaginations if they are so inclined.