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Plant a Seed, Get Sued?

Friar_MJK writes "Now even traditionally non-tech-savvy farmers are getting the rap for piracy. This isn't your grandma's p2p filesharing, but rather replanting bio-engineered seeds. Somehow the powers-that-be got the idea that replanting seeds grown from your own soil is a crime. A company called Monsanto sells those specially engineered seeds, and according to their license agreements, they make it illegal to replant the seeds harvested from a previous crop. To enforce this, they have brought many hard-working farmers to court and even thrown some in jail. According to the story, the company has not lost a case yet." We've had a couple of stories about Monsanto suing a Canadian farmer, but there hasn't been a lot of U.S. press devoted to the issue.

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  1. Re:Wha...? by srleffler · · Score: 4, Informative

    Monsanto is also suing farmers who have not signed their licensing agreement, but who were caught with the genetically engineered plants growing on their farm. In the Canadian case, it appears that the engineered plants may have ended up there by accident (due to the wind blowing pollen from neighbouring farms, etc.), but the court held that the farmer was liable anyway. Basically, they held that Monsanto had an absolute right to control who grows these plants, regardless of whether they have signed any agreement with Monsanto, and regardless of whether the farmer knows that the plants growing on his farm have been engineered by Monsanto.

  2. Re:first post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    You might like to read this:

    http://www.ipsnews.net/new_nota.asp?idnews=27041

    Quoting that article:

    "In the well-known case of Canadian farmer Percy Schmeiser, pollen from a neighbour's GE canola fields and seeds that blew off trucks on their way to a processing plant ended up contaminating his fields with Monsanto's genetics.

    The trial court ruled that no matter how the GE plants got there, Schmeiser had infringed on Monsanto's legal rights when he harvested and sold his crop. After a six-year legal battle, Canada's Supreme Court ruled that while Schmeiser had technically infringed on Monsanto's patent, he did not have to pay any penalties."

    Sure, in the end he didn't have to pay any penalties, but he still had to endure a 6 year legal battle.

  3. why people hate corporate America by frovingslosh · · Score: 5, Informative
    There are two absurd situations here:

    First of all, many people maintain that they never used Monsanto seeds. Their plants were very likely cross polinated by Monsanto crops growing nearby. And yet Monsanto is sueing them. Insane.

    Second of all, I buy large bags of seed to feed to wild animals all of the time. There is nothing explicit or implicit in my purchase of these seeds that agrees that I will not replant the corn. However, if I were to plant this corn and it so happened to contain Monsanto seed (which I realistically have no way of knowing) how could I be legally lible to Monsanto, who I have had no dealing with? A the very least Monsanto should require that corn produced with their seeds be properly labeled so this does not happen, but instead of requiring it by contract to the farmers that they supply, they have agressive fought the labeling of corn produced by their seed.

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  4. Re:Monsanto has a point. by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Perhaps that is how it is done in the US. In the developing world collecting and replanting seed is very common. Monsanto is often not making the terms of these deals clear to the farmers in these areas and then literally bullying them into paying more money each year.
    Monsanto is just wrong.

  5. One way to get the genetically altered seeds by cdn-programmer · · Score: 4, Informative

    I grew up on a farm about 200 miles north of Schmeiser's farm. Rapeseed is still grown on my Dad's land. So I have some personal information of the issues and I want to dispel some of the myths that have been postulated here.

    A very simple way for the seed to show up is if Schmeiser hauled a load of seed into an elevator for cleaning. This is a very normal practice in Saskatchewan. I have personally done this.

    Elevators have rather decent cleaning equipment and it does not cost all that much to run the seeds through.

    The issue is that elevator agents will sometimes substitute seed and not tell the farmer. This is so very simple to do and clearly from an efficiency standpoint why not switch the bins instead of making the customer wait?

    If Schmeiser hauled a single load into an elevator this is all that would be necesary. He didn't know and the elevator agent also had no idea of the consequences.

    That being said - another more sinister explanation is that bees like to spread the genes around. Biological studies have proven that a bee will go to a plant with a different genetic makup for its next load of honey. This is probably built right into the genetics of a bee.

    If so - then Monsanto genes would be spread willy nilly all over the place and there is NOTHING a farmer like Schmeiser can do to prevent this. It makes perfect sense that biodiversity will enhance bees' food supplies. 500 million years of evolution will favor bees that maximise the bio-diversity of the plants which produce the honey they consume. Any bee colony practicing mono-culture may well have died out millions of years ago when their food source failed.

  6. Nobody else here understands plants so.... by smiggly · · Score: 5, Informative

    First off, virtually all corn planted in the US is hybred. That means the seeds have to be grown in dedicated fields with the two types of parent corn planted next to eachother, and workers go out and pull all the tasels off the 'female' plants so that they cant selfpolinate and produce only seeds with the male plants as the polinator. the male plants are then killed and the female plants are harvested at the end of the season. They are seeds for planting. The plants they grow produce far more yeild, on stronger healthier plants with less fertilizer and pesticides then any other variety that is self polinating. So farmers buy these seeds and plant them. And they get great yields. But if they were to replant the yield, they would get sickly weak, low producing plants. Nobody plants self polinated corn, only hybred. And the only fields that need to worry about contamination are the hybred fields OWNED BY THE SEED COMPANY! They plant just plant beans around them.

    Beans are different. Beans are not hybreds because its just not economical to industrially produce hybred seeds. Beans self polinate, and ONLY SELF POLINATE! Its impossible to get your beans contiminated fron your neighbor's field because they dont disperse pollen. Each flower is contained, and they are not polinated by wind, nor insects. Its impossible to have pollen contamination unless you intentionally do it. This involves getting on your knees with a tiny brush and cutting off the stamen of the mother flower and then brushing on pollen colledted from a father plant flower on the pistil of the mother flower. This single flower will then produce a pod of beans containing a grand total of 3 seeds. You can do it in a lab and it only takes a few hours per plant (1 hour per 100 seeds). But because the plants are selfpolinating, the seeds from a normal farmer's crop are all true. He could simply replant them and never pay the money that was spend to develop the plant. (thousands of tries of combinations of plants crossbreeding them in a lab for an incredible amount of work. So the seed companies require famers not to replant their patented seeds. Some may want to anyway, and like any other form of illegial copying, the companies does, and has the legal right to, prosecute the copyright infringment.

  7. Re:This is news? by Fjandr · · Score: 4, Informative

    Normally I don't reply to ACs, but this deserves comment.

    It is patently false that Monsanto's lawsuits only target contract holders. They sue every farmer who saves seed from the same crops as Monsanto-owned crops within the same geographical area.

    A quick search turned up Monsanto v Schmeiser, a Canadian farmer kept from growing canola because he chose to save seed from his naturally-produced strains which became crossed with Monsanto-owned strains. It is an impossibility to prevent cross-pollination in most uncontrolled environments, thus the burden should be on Monsanto farmers to prevent pollen drift, rather than those whose crops are infected.

    Monsanto puts farmers out of business with their predatory legal practices, plain and simple. They force their way into markets that they otherwise can't access by suing farmers who won't buy seed every year. If they can get one farmer in a geographical area to sign up, pollen and seed end up contaminating all same-species crops in the area, making seed-saving illegal. Shame on anyone who does that.

  8. MOD PARENT DOWN by quetzalc0atl · · Score: 5, Informative

    i dont know who told you this, this is completely off base. roundup (glyphosate) degrades over a period of 3 months into ethylamines. many microorganisms will then turn those into CO2, not nitrogen. infact, glyphosate has been found to inhibit anaerobic nitrogen fixation in the soil.

    glyphosate is an amino acid analog designed to inhibit enzymes needed for neogenesis (the target supposedly being 5-enolpyruvyl-shikimate-3 phosphate synthase) of the plants amino acids.

    while glyphosate has not been found to be harmful to humans, the inactive ingredient surfactant (which makes up 15.0% of roundup), polyoxy-ethyleneamine, IS known to be toxic to humans and is typically contaminated with dioxanes (as a byproduct of the formation of it) which is a known human carcinogen.

  9. Pulic service announcement by abulafia · · Score: 4, Informative
    Anyone who cares about this massive travesty, take a look at the gene bank.

    For the record, that is only an entry point, most of the exchange of genetic material happens much more informally.

    Call them tree huggers or whatever, but these are the people that are keeping the world's genetic line available to all, and this started about the same time that the patent madness did. For obvious reasons. Think of this as the ham radio response to the internet.

    For the record, I'm not even a botanist, or whatever, but I'm a member. I get requests maybe twice a month for things I'm growing, and I send them off. Kinda cool, right? At least, I think it is.

    I don't need Monsanto's crap, and if they infect me, I will be pissed off, and they can count on me making that apparent.

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  10. Re:Great defense? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    No, you're pretty much totally wrong. Good Job.
    http://www.commonground.ca/iss/0401150/percy_schme iser.shtml

  11. Re:This is pure evil! by nicklott · · Score: 4, Informative
    This is pure evil.
    Well, duh...

    Is this not common knowledge in the US? (the suing over seeds bit) If not, perhaps the European reaction to GM crops is more understandable to some americans now.
    It wasn't just about having modified crops, it was about the whole way it worked: They're not modifiying crops to make them better, they're modifiying them so they sell more of their pesticide.

    At least that was the issue for me anyway...