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Two Reviews of Microsoft AntiSpyware

jasondubya writes "PC Magazine released their review of Microsoft's Anti-Spyware Beta 1. While they agree with most that it has great potential, it has yet to take over their top spot. In an informal test, it removed about two-thirds of the spyware detected and blocked about fifty percent of the threats they attempted to install. After removal, they ran Webroot's Spy Sweeper 3.0. It was able to detect '900 traces of 48 distinct threats still present, including two keyloggers and three Trojans.' With that, it looks like Microsoft still has work to do before they are on top of the market." Several other readers sent in link to Mossberg's review in the WSJ.

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  1. I've used it by ikkibr · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've used it and ...
    I liked it! It scanned like 500 spywares in my computer, all of them due to Internet Explorer Bugs(hey, i've used it only for 2 days since I formated my computer). The software is fast, gives information about the spywares and asks you what you wanna do. If I had to rate it I would give 9/10.

    1. Re:I've used it by krakelohm · · Score: 1, Informative

      Yea but we are talking about Windows PC's here, there is no way you have reasonably clean Windows boxes without firewalls or antivirus protection.

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  2. My experiences in brief... by ZiZ · · Score: 5, Informative

    MS AntiSpyware is /extremely/ fast - faster than anything else I've tried - but didn't catch any advertisement cookies in Mozilla Firefox and only caught a very small number of them from IE. It also complains loudly about a number of things I use on a regular basis - FTP server, VNC, even a copy of SoftICE (which, yes, I use legitimately to debug device drivers). Could be good with some work, though.

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    1. Re:My experiences in brief... by ad0gg · · Score: 2, Informative

      IE doesn't allow 3rd party cookies by default. So you don't have to worry about being tracked from site to site by banner ads. Though this don't apply for popup ads. To stop tracking cookies in firefox just disable 3rd party cookies.

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    2. Re:My experiences in brief... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
      Cookie Detection and Removal.

      GIANT AntiSpyware detects and removes cookies from your computer. Because many Web sites require the use of cookies to enable a great user experience, Windows AntiSpyware (Beta) does not remove cookies.

      From: http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/s oftware/currentcustomers.mspx

    3. Re:My experiences in brief... by JimDabell · · Score: 2, Informative

      IE doesn't allow 3rd party cookies by default. So you don't have to worry about being tracked from site to site by banner ads.

      Actually, Internet Explorer allows third-party cookies, just as long as there's a P3P policy to go along with it.

    4. Re:My experiences in brief... by Harker · · Score: 3, Informative

      I ran it with similar results. RealVNC was detected, but the default was to ignore it, so at least it realizes that this app could be legitimate.

      It also searches based on text strings, such as file and folder names. I have two bookmarks for crack sites in my IE bookmarks. The scanner reported the folder name, as well as one of the two sites listed as high warnings, recommending removal.

      It is very fast, and I noticed no slowdown of my machine when it ran the other night, regardless of being online playing world of warcraft at the time.

      I do have to question the applications trying to reach the internet while doing nothing else thoguh. My Sygate firewall reported it trying to access the internet several times. There is no option for scheduling updates or even to stop it from doing so, or to schedule it for a set time.

      All in all, it's become a good addition to my spyware arsinal. I will even reccomend it to clients, if they wish some sort of real-time protection.

      I have not yet tried installing any spyware infested applications to see how it handles them. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it will detect and prevent (or at least offer to prevent) such installations.

      Eric the Grey

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    5. Re:My experiences in brief... by adiposity · · Score: 2, Informative

      Complains loudly? VNC is considered a "low" (2/5 I think) threat and the default action is to "ignore" it. I'd hardly call that complaining loudly.

      I have yet to have it suggest I remove something I actually wanted.

      -Dan

    6. Re:My experiences in brief... by Mycroft_VIII · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually many banner ads are in frames that load from 3rd party sights. You can still get the cookie. Unless some very recent update fixes this (I stopped using IE before SP2 so It's possible) it's still a valid issue.
      Also IE does allow third partie cookies for some other instances. If they have a privacy policy, not if the have a GOOD privacy policy, just if they have one, it could easily be "what privacy, you get no privacy here". That and no personal info is in the cookie. Assuming IE can (correctly) tell what that info is.
      So for joe user, IE doesn't really block third party cookies except on uncommon cases where he gets lucky, or the third party cookie sight is run by idiots. I'm shure sites like doubleclick and such have no problem getting thier cookies on most machines running IE.

      Mycroft

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  3. For the pirates... by StevenHenderson · · Score: 4, Informative
    Just an FYI to all the pirates out there:

    Even though it says you need to "validate" Windows, it prompts you after you click the download link, and then you can click "no." Good news for me^H^Hthe pirates out there with illegitimate XP copies.

    1. Re:For the pirates... by imemyself · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've validated my copy of XP Pro VLK that is definately not legal. Serial was generated and it validated just fine(atleast when I tried a few months back).

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    2. Re:For the pirates... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Dear Mr. Tinfoil Hat Troll Retard

      If M$ want's to pull a number on you due to your illegitimate copy of their OS they will. Regardless of the browser of your choice.

      You download closed source executable code anyhoo, capiche?

  4. For a more unbiased approach..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    While these articles are mostly true, they seemed still to be biased against microsoft. Although i value /. and go along with its beliefs against a certain company, there are more balanced views out there...

    http://www.flexbeta.net/main/articles.php?action =s how&id=84

    In the articles here, they only say that some stuff was not removed by antispyware. But they never said if microfsoft antispyware picked up stuff others missed. Article above does this test.

    -SystemERRor

  5. Considering Microsoft's Past History... by TooMuchEspressoGuy · · Score: 1, Informative
    Let's see...

    Built-in XP firewall - Pretty much everyone disabled it and installed another.

    Internet Explorer - Lets all the spyware in in the first place. Firefox is ten times better.

    MS Office - Don't even need to say how bad it is.

    Windows itself - Ditto.

    MS AntiSpyware - Only gets rid of two-thirds of spyware. Mostly just more bloatware.

    Nope. I'm not very surprised.

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  6. Re:I like it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Few would be aware that chopsticks originated in America in the 1800's because it is not true.
    http://www.calacademy.org/research/anthropo logy/ut ensil/chpstck.htm

    The Chinese have been using them for several thousand years. This unfortunately detracts from an otherwise inciteful post.

  7. Re:I like it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    "[Few] seem aware that chopsticks originated in American mining communities" because it didn't - chopsticks have been in use in China for at least 4000 years.

    Get a clue.

  8. It's not bad... by gordgekko · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm not the world's biggest fan of Microsoft -- I've pretty well shorn myself of everything but XP and Word -- but I have to admit that it's not bad. Caught some minor stuff after I hadn't done a scan with Ad-Aware in a while and cleaned them up. Not the best, nowhere near the worst.

    Interestingly, one service still says "GIANT Antispyware Data Service". I guess they didn't rebadge it all yet.

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  9. It thinks Windows 98 is Spyware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    On this box with Windows 98, XP and Mandrake, Microsoft Antispyware told me the machine had a severe threat -- "Attacker has complete control over your computer or install new software on your machine." The offending file was "SCRRUN.DLL" in the Windows directory, which Antispyware labeled as "Specrem RAT." The file was there from a fresh reinstall of Windows 98 off the official Microsoft CD from the last millenium, from the "win98_64.cab" file. Aside from the bad grammar of the warning, I think it was wrong.

    Otherwise, it did fine.

  10. What about false positives? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    There's a tendancy for people to equate "found more stuff" with "better". Don't forget that false positives are an issue.

  11. My problem with this review..... by King_TJ · · Score: 3, Informative

    I have to say, I'm basically at a loss to explain why there's been a lot of positive press about Webroot's Spy Sweeper 3.0 recently. This PC Mag. review is just the latest in "shoot-outs" and reviews I've read that gave Spy Sweeper top (or near top) honors.

    My personal experience, doing on-site PC service calls for a living, is completely different. I've cleaned literally hundreds of spyware infested PCs for customers in the last year or so, and I *often* find they have Spy Sweeper already installed and running, despite all their problems.

    People occasionally ask me if Spy Sweeper is "any good" since companies like Gateway like to try selling it to them over the phone when they call with problems. I've been advising to save the money and skip it.

    It may have a nice interface and claimed "feature set" - but from what I've observed, it doesn't really seem to be that effective at keeping spyware out, or detecting it after the fact.

    In the past, I've been an advocate of the SpyBot and Ad-Aware SE combo, but the new Giant/MS Anti-Spyware solution has done an impressive job for me so far. Just last night, I had a PC that both SpyBot 1.4 beta (w/latest update sigs) and Ad-Aware SE with latest update sigs. reported completely clean of spyware problems. Despite that, ads were randomly popping open in IE windows every 15 seconds or so. MS Anti-Spyware completely cleaned it up.

  12. Re:Lop? by Mr.+Flibble · · Score: 2, Informative

    Believe it or not the makers of the LOP provide their own removal tool.

    http://lop.com/new_uninstall.exe


    Checked it out - Antivirus software goes insane: It detects 2 trojans within the exe. Both newer versions of lop...

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  13. Good source of consolidated information by kooshvt · · Score: 2, Informative

    It might not be the best anti-spyware program, but its other features are nice. I run Spybot, Ad-aware and SpywareBlaster and decided to install the MS program as well. It didn't find anything, I didn't think it would with the combined efforts of the other 3 programs, but I was impressed by the consolidation of information it presents. In one place I can see the current running processes, startup applications, LSPs and installed activeX apps. It will make troubleshooting family members computer problems easier once they install this. I can just direct them to one app to answer most all my questions, instead of having them dig through the registry, downloading other obscure programs and goggling every unknown process they currently have running. I will still install the other 3 apps on the computers I am called upon to troubleshot and will definitely add this program as well for ease of information.

  14. Re:The WSJ article is very biased. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    If you have automatic updates on, this anti-spyware software is automatically downloaded to your system. It happened to all of the Windows XP systems I maintain at work. When 90% of computers run your company's operating system, there's a difference between giving software away and actually pushing it out to people.

    What have you been smoking? No, the AntiSpyware beta is NOT being pushed via Windows update; it not available via Automatic Updates or via SUS.

    Do you mean the 'Malicious Software Removal Tool' (http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=890830), maybe? This is going out via Automatic Updates, but of course it's a different thing completely, and a sign you should RTFA/RTFM.