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dshatto writes "Help! This posting is to everyone who supports open source science: The California Institute for Regenerative Medicine (CIRM) will start taking shape in the next few months. This is the organization that will be spending $3 billion on stem cell and related research over the next 10 years. California has a chance to set a new model for scientific research. Models to consider for its intellectual property (IP) include open source models.
I'm announcing a project that hopefully will:" Read more below...
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1) Demonstrate the power, speed, and effectiveness that open source principles and distributed collaboration offer.
2) Produce a temporary community of advocates for open source science that links supporters together in a self-organized network aspiring to the common good.
3) Develop information resources that the Committee setting up the CIRM can use in its consideration of open source models for intellectual property.
Please go here for details:
http://www.bol.ucla.edu/~dshatto/PROSODICOL.html
Slashdot gets the scoop on this - I won't post it anywhere else until I gauge your response. Why? Because, well, I think it's cool, and I think it's the right community to get this project going.
I believe that together we can make a lasting impact on science.
David"
I don't support you because I don't believe that the state should be funding scientific research, and beyond that, that embryonic stem cells are not the wave of the future for regenerative science but rather, adult stem cells and DNA manipulation. Don't take it personally, but thats just my belief.
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It's pretty clear why Arnold is funding this. He's hoping to have clones of himself resume his movie career sometime by the middle of his 3rd term as governor.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
(Actually, it is the California voters who are funding this. You have to wonder what they know...)
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There's a similar approach being adopted in Australia, as reported in Wired.
It's not exact but patents are pretty specific about bits of technology. However to get anywhere in hard science you need to publish. The techniques will be availible to the community. It is the primary benchmark for the research community.
Open source works in the context of tech, however medical knowledge isn't so tightly defined by copyrights. The project is publicly funded, and like a university it will be availible to the public at a smaller price then a private research company's.
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Well, no. It's not at all clear to me what you have in mind, and your resume doesn't suggest that you know anything about biology or biomedical research.
Guessing about what you might possibly mean:
I wish you luck, and hopefully I'm underestimating your planning. (And if you get something promising going, I'll be glad to help.) But right now, with all due respect, this sounds like the equivalent of a new Sourceforge project from someone who expects volunteers to do all the work.
What I'm listening to now on Pandora...
If calif. fund this research, and a calif. company reaps rewards, and calif. based researchers get ace new jobs, and bring more brain power into calif. and more taxes get paid, then calif. can be the leading producer of stem cell based cosmetics, which, to be frank, will come about.
Just a glance at reasoning for another model. Private investment in this area will lead to patents. If a state would fund it open source, then there would be no benefit for that state. (in terms of reaping back revenue to the fullest extent, through jobs etc)
Other companies in cheaper states would benefit.
Viola. Here we see a clear example where countries, states, people, neighbourhoods, all compete for a bigger piece of the pie.
Of course, many things are gov funded. Space, until recently.
THe rest of this message is OT (more like RT)
[OT: Seeing a news report on 'cold' pollution and 'warm' pollution (particle versus CO2) and tsunamis and freak weather all this winter (el nino, other new patterns) and amazon and virgin galactic investing into new privitised space makes me think some people at the top know something we don't!
The day after tomorrow is starting to be a more scarey and real film.]
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You are correct when you say that "embryonic" stem cells are not the wave of the future for regenerative medicine...but they ARE a critical first step.
The goal is to take adult stem cells and give them the abilities of embryonic stem cells and THEN use them for medicinal purposes.
Just taking adult stem cells will not give you much...but by understanding embryonic stem cells we can in effect Have our cake and eat it too.
Get all the real benifits of embryonic stem cells without the problems of rejection and ethical problems.
by normal, non-Stallmanist usage of "free"
First, some brief background: "Stallmanist" refers to Richard Stallman, founder of the GNU project and the Free Software Foundation. He has defined "software freedom" as follows:
For non-computer code such as books, facts, or music, the work itself could be considered the source code, as there is no "compilation" or "conversion" step from a human-understandable form to a computer-understandable form.
Note that these requirements are met by the GPL, the LGPL, the BSD license (in its current form), as well as the public domain. For whatever reason, the slashdot user above would like you to believe otherwise. However he does not get to specify what Stallman thinks, only Stallman does.
This message has been a public service of FDE (the FUD Detection and Education Service), committed to "setting the record straight" in online discussions.
Time for a handful of biotech companies to rip off the California taxpayers. Whoo! BONANZA!!!
You work at UCLA... one of the centers for this kind of research. Get off your butt, go across campus and talk to one of the stem cell researchers if you have an idea for them. What do you want us to do?
For all the talk of corporations getting money for this thing, most of the people in charge are going to be academics who have a big interest in seeing all the research in public domain (published in a journal).
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Moments later, a former colleague appeared out of the dark, shot her dead and ran off, police said.
4. Ian Langford, 40, a senior Fellow at the University of East Anglia's Centre for Social and Economic Research on the Global Environment, was discovered on Monday night by police and ambulancemen. The body was naked from the waist down and partly wedged under a chair.
How many microbiologists does it take to change a light bulb? Whatever you think the answer may be, change
5. The body of a Harvard scientist missing for more than a month since his rental car was left parked on a bridge over the Mississippi River has been found downstream, police said
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"Something big happening. I am getting very close. I think that biotech and govt. needed massive funding for this genetic bioweapon project and that is why anthrax was mailed. I think we now have a "target" weapon, i.e. ethnic or racial target weapon.
Something BIG is happening. My guess is that this has to do with Dr. Wiley. Quite possibly both scientists stumbled onto something. Does the US have a "genetic" bioweapon?? My guess is these researchers have stumbled upon a bioweapons black ops project and were killed.
It would appear that we have a "simple" case of burglary victim coming home and catching burglars in the act. As a result Dr. Robert M. Schwartz, age 57 was killed. ...OR, was Dr. Schwartz death made to look like a simple burglary/murder case?
Robert M. Schwartz, 57, was found by neighbors Monday after co-workers called them to say Schwartz had uncharacteristically skipped work and missed a meeting 8. A microbiologist killed at CSIRO's animal diseases facility in Geelong had logged 15 years' experience with the unit, police said today. Victoria Pol
Frankly, I don't understand in the least what you are trying to communicate. "Open Source" is a wide variety of different licensing models, philosophies, etc... You sound (from the tone of your website) like a
Where's the support and discussion? We're being granted the chance to act now for once. If we pass this up, we'll just ensure more frustrating stories on yro.slashdot.org.
The best you're going to get is 'Mike Hunt' signatures and moral elitists who think that they emit some kind of 'morality field' and as such their posts have some kind of an effect on the reader.
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