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Governments Take Sides In Blackberry Patent Suit

Posted by timothy on from the please-don't-call-it-a-free-market dept.

geekboy_x writes "The recent court decision giving NTP a big chunk of Research In Motion's Blackberry profits has attracted an unusal participant - the government of Canada. The original ruling, where RIM was judged to have violated 5 of NTP's patents, has now been stayed pending appeal, and the Canadian government has filed a motion in the U.S. court to request a full re-hearing. At stake is not only money, but the rights to sell and service any Blackberry-like product."

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  1. Canadian Government... by Caydel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Obviously the Canadian government has an interest in this, as it is one of the leading canadian technologies; however, this seems to be quite a large step for them. They usually seem to pussyfoot around such issues, especially when dealing with the US...

    1. Re:Canadian Government... by srw · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We usually pussyfoot around, but there are more and more of us at many levels that are getting quite pissed off with the US government's economic policies towards Canada. Read about softwood lumber, cattle (please don't say it's about BSE. It's incredibly clear by now it has nothing to do with BSE.), fishing issues (google for Jesse Ventura's comments on this), "offshoring" of jobs to Canada, and on and on.

      Free trade my ass.

    2. Re:Canadian Government... by It+doesn't+come+easy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The US strongarming the rest of the world banks on it's economic influence to get everyone to cave in eventually. However, things are changing and the rise of Asian consumer markets not dominated by US businesses will likely seriously reduce the US's ability to control the business world. We may even see the US's level of market influence shift to China or India's control...now wouldn't that be interesting...

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    3. Re:Canadian Government... by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, the Yankees are right spooked now about the removal of tarriffs (which is all but inevitable, though it will probably be at least a year). You see, while US government has allowed American sawmills to continue in their inefficient and outdated ways, the tarriffs basically culled all the weaker outfits in BC, leaving only the companies with the highest efficiency. Darwinian mechanics takes over now. If that tarriff is removed, those coddled American lumber companies are going to be deader than a doornail in a decade.

      This is why protectionism is ultimately detrimental to those industries that a government seeks to protect. Unfortunately the average voter in a lumber-producing region in the US is largely ignorant of this basic principle, and politicians and lumber company executives are quite happy to milk voter stupidity for short-term gain.

      The other side of this coin (as with Bush's protectionist steel policy towards the EU) is that the American consumer gets hit with higher prices on raw materials driving up commercial goods. Whether it's an automobile or a new house, it's all the poor joes at the manufacturing plants, distributors, sales outfits and the poor slob that's paying for the goods that get nailed. Of course, all these guys probably live in the wrong state, so that's okay.

      Don't worry American consumer, us Canucks will save you. When those tarriffs are lifted, those greedy short sighted goons in the Commerce Department and in the lumber companies are going to be run over by trucks bring BC 2x4s across the border.

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  2. How close are Matrin and RIM? by spikexyz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I shook Paul Martin's (Prime Minster of Canada) hand outside the RIM headquaters in Waterloo this past summer during the election. I wonder how close of a relationship Mr. Martin has with RIM and how this played into the Canadian government's decision to get involved.

    1. Re:How close are Matrin and RIM? by kaladorn · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think that's entirely wrongheaded. Take off your tinfoil hat for a minute. CBC had some good coverage of this issue last night.

      The issue here is that the US court is trying to apply an outrageous scope to their own IP law - well beyond their borders onto systems physically present and using technology developed in Canada. This violates a number of traditions in the legal area (perhaps even aggreements or laws, but I'm a bit vague her) that say essentially that if something resides in your country, your own IP law applies. The US judge has made a decision which extends US IP law into Canadian space.

      The Canadian government is thus getting involved as a matter of national sovereignty and to forestall a whole whack of these. And to protect Canadian business interests from this ridiculous decision - it would effectively open up a whack of Canadian businesses to suits under a vastly changed understanding of how IP law is supposed to work and it would infringe Canada's sovereignty to have its own laws that differ from those that operate within our southern neighbour.

      This is perfectly well a matter of Canadian government legal, political and economic interest. It has nothing to do with RIM particularly, they just happen to be the test case. This is about a US court that is letting itself exceed its domain and pass judgements with wide ranging ramifications that reach into other countries.

      I think the simple logic that the US should be applying here is this: If it would piss us off if someone did it, maybe we should think twice before we do it to someone else.

      The might makes right argument has been responsible for any number of horrors over the years. Last time I checked, the US is supposed to stand for liberalized trade, free enterprise, fairness, etc. This judgement is about trying to inflict the laws of nation A on nation B in contravention of the historical process and in an unfair manner.

      I'm not confident it will be struck down - IP laws which original protected and fostered innovation and artists now throttle them and quash innovation through prodigious if questionable litigations. The US court in question has been passing wide ranging decisions which seem to strengthen the IP laws rather than pruning them back to foster the innovation they were originally meant to foster. So it may well be that this (to my mind) ridiculous decision stands.

      But this, for once, is an example of the Canadian government standing up and doing something *where and when it should* though perhaps getting involved earlier might have been useful. Still, they may not have expected such a wide ranging ruling and the precedents it set, so perhaps that isn't even a fair criticism.

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  3. Blackberry-like product by spiritraveller · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Um, how is the Blackberry different from any other PDA/mobile phone combination that accesses email? Pardon me, but I've never used one.

    1. Re:Blackberry-like product by kaladorn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, I think this is the 'technical issue'. The reason the Canadian Government is involved has more to do with the fact that the servers and back end services that make this all work reside in Canada. So attempting to go after RIM in this particular means attempting to apply the associated patents etc. across the border into someone else's country. That's what has the Canadian government involving itself.

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      -- Mal: "Well they tell you: never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious."
  4. good by ashpool7 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I really don't care who is motivated by what in this case, but NTP is nothing but a holding company on some BS patents for stuff that already exists but "with RF" tacked on.

    If it means throwing out bogus patents, I'd like to see a good explanation if anybody thinks that's a bad idea.

  5. Re:Gods by TDot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Pfft. I'm from Waterloo and i've lived here the last 5 years, and most of that is news to me. It's certainly the biggest corporate entity, but in no way would waterloo tank if RIM did. There are so many other companies here, from small to big (IBM/Microsoft/Sybase). Besides, it's as much as a university town as it is a tech-town: the schools aren't going to wither and die if RIM does.

    IMHO companies are beating up on RIM because they are convinced RIM is the biggest threat, not because they are Canadian, but they are being so annoyingly "American" about it. I think it's outrageous that any American could be so pompous and arrogant as to assume that "U.S. patent laws override Canadian patent laws", which is the taste I get in my mouth when I read posts like "Dangerous step for Canada". If Americans don't like "foreign influence" then they can bloody well cut all trade with Canada and see what happens: we'll *both* crumble. Quit the whining, realize we're mutually good for each other, and get back to work.

    As for RIM, yeah there's reason to be afraid; I worked there for a year and i'm happy to report that it is full of bright and educated people who (most importantly IMHO) actually enjoy what they are doing there.

  6. Blackberry by spyd4r · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I work for Research In Motion, and this whole lawsuit is a joke, this NTP company is a pathetic corporation that just hold patents trying to land big settlements.. they should just go f^&k off and die.