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China To Launch 2 Into Space In September

Doug Dante writes "China Daily reports that China's space agency plans to launch two Chinese astronauts into space for a 6-day mission in September. The spacecraft includes both a re-entry and an orbital module. The article, an official publication of the Chinese government in English, also extends a plain invitation for the U.S. to partner with China on space."

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  1. Good by Uber+Banker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Co-operation between countries in space exploration is only a good thing. Build up trust, knock down militarisation.

    1. Re:Good by Uber+Banker · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What? Did you not follow the US-Russia space race at all?

      Indeed. Why were advances made? Becuase resources were pumped at the problem. Do you prefer resources to be pumped at putting 100s of lasers and nuclear weapons in orbit? And FYI the space race reached its zenith in the late 60s/early 70s. 'Competition between countries' moved on to new things - see how space exploration deteorated in the late 70s and early 80s when, a true barometer of 'competition', the amount of ICBMs and targetted military spending as a % of GDP increased to the maximum.

      You seem to have a peculiar understanding of China. The Chinese government is a totalitarian dictatorship which has failed to reform. However they know this - their entire motivation is to keep the population happy to prevent revolt - that's why economic growth and repatriation of income across the country is such a massive priority - people don't revolt when, overall, living standards are advancing rapidly. The 'space race' China is undertaking is just another extension of this - keep the population happy that China is a player on the world stage, make the people happy with the government - the totalitarian dictatorship using the exact same population control methods the 'anti-communist democratic republic' the USA used in the 1960s, it is called patriotism and is indeed a dangerous tool - but there is a different in 'positive patriotism' in celebrating achievements and 'negative patriotism' which is saying 'my country is better/more powerful than yours' - interesting that the 'totalitarian dictatorship' China uses 'positive' tools to manage the population while the 'anti-communist democratic republic' is today using negative ones.

      Strange paradox, eh? China can only be seen to seek militarisation of space if you think it is motivated by the same population control methods as the USA is today.

  2. Maybe some day by turgid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I look forward to the day when space exploration is done by private companies with staff all over the world. Then, the competition will be between companies and not some sort of xenophobic constest between mutually distrustful national governments. The pace of progress will probably increase by an order of magnitude too.

    1. Re:Maybe some day by Yartrebo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There aren't any laws or treaties preventing private companies from sending things into space.

      The only reason they don't do it is that companies have never been the type to research or do any long term investment without a guaranteed gargantuan payout (the magnitude of which much rise exponentially, and by about 15% a year).

      A company can put $1B in excess capital in the stock market (or pay dividends, allowing the shareholders to do so) and in 35 years that $1B will become $32B on average. 70 years from now it can be expected to be worth over $1T. Since investing in space stuff is very risky, a substantial premium above the stock market return will be required to get companies to invest.

      The bottom line: Governments are probably best left to handle research, and publicly release the results so that all companies have access to the latest tech, which will allow companies to do what they do best - manufacture, not research.

  3. A matter of pride by Odo · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The US would never partner with the Chinese. Not while the US shuttle is grounded. And once it is flying, they won't need to partner with them. The Chinese know this. Having to rely on the Russians to get to the space station is embarrasing enough, but dropping to third place thanks to the Chinese would be too much.

    On the other hand, the Chinese have (so far) been very good a keeping the operation of their space program separate from issues of national pride. They launch misions when they are ready, not in time for some politico's birthday or scheduled speech. Linking the two was one of the reasons the Russians never made it to the Moon and one of the reasons the Americans lost Challenger.

  4. Re:Partner? Why? by WillerZ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you asked most people in Europe to rank governments in decreasing order of hostility, the US would be above China.

    Phil

    --
    I guess today is a passable day to die.
  5. Free elections, non-hostile government by Tim+Ward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would never consider cooperating with the Chinese until China becomes a normal country (free elections, non-hostile government, etc.)

    Let me guess - you're not American!

    (Rigged elections; government hostile to more countries than any other government on earth.)

  6. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 4, Insightful

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  7. Re:Re-entry. by mindstrm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They soviets have:

    - Better ejection technologies (can the shuttle crew eject on the takeoff platform if they think things are going south?)

    - More reliable, simpler designs. (What the US achieves with multiple backup systems and tons of high-tech engineering, the russians achieved with much more testing to find a design that was inherently reliable. eg: soyuz, mir)

    - As you said, Gagarin was the first man in space. It's not like the US space program, even decades after this, doesn't still have it's share of carnage and destruction.

  8. Re:such a gulf of misunderstanding by 808140 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Unfortunately, an informed post or two on Slashdot can do little to reverse what amounts to essentially, in the case of most Slashdotters, more than a decade of cold war propaganda.

    While most of us wear our tin foil hats most of the time, for some reason we are extremely reticent when it comes to admitting to ourselves that our government has been (and in fact continues) to deliberately deceive us when it comes to world politics and affairs. This is an extremely uncomfortable realization for Americans in particular, who are taught from birth that theirs is the best nation in all respects, followed by Europe (although we're quick to point out that they were a continent of fascists before we liberated them in WWII). All other nations are either wallowing in poverty or being actively repressed by dictatorial communist sympathisers.

    Consider, for example, that most Americans believe that the Chinese carry around Mao's little red book, and that the Chinese people live in a world that has no concept of freedom or individualism.

    This view was most true more than three decades ago, and even then was -- as any reasonable person would expect, in a country with a population like China's -- prone to rather large regional variation, and the direct result of a power struggle between Mao Zi Dong and reform-oriented members of the CCP (the Red Army and the Cultural Revolution were, by in large, a direct result of Mao attempting to solidify power by building a cult of personality.)

    The moment he died, Deng Xiao Ping pretty much went ahead and set China on the path that would transform it from a Maoist (not communist -- it was never that) dictatorship into a capitalist power likely to become the economic superpower of the 21st century.

    When it comes down to it, Americans would prefer not to see the China of today. It's not surprising -- it's scary. America is begining to lose its edge. We at one point benefited from the sort of manufacturing boom that the Chinese are experiencing now -- Europe moved most of its manufacturing base to the US at one time, because it was cheaper -- and look what happened to the then thought to be unending empires that sat on the old continent: they took second seat to us.

    We fear the same will happen with China. It is growing at a rate that we cannot hope to match. It is not hard to imagine, when you're in China, that they will be the next United States. This is very, very frightening.

    So instead, we remain ignorant, as best we can.

    Only actually going there can remove that willful ignorance. Which is why most Slashdotters will never bother.

    I am American; I have lived and worked in the PRC for the better part of three years now.