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Zimmermann Enters Debate on Microsoft Encryption

Golygydd Max writes "I didn't see much coverage of the RC4 flaw in Microsoft Office that was uncovered recently by a researcher, Hongjun Wu. Now, PGP creator Phil Zimmermann, dissatisfied with Microsoft's response, has joined in the debate. In an interview with Techworld he castigates Microsoft for their inadequate response: 'The lay user ought to be entitled to assume that the encryption produced by Microsoft is adequate. ... If Microsoft wants to earn the respect of the cryptographic community and the public it must rise to the occasion by producing competent security.' The cynic might ask, 'what respect', but should Microsoft have taken a flaw in some of its most popular programs more seriously?"

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  1. First rule of Microsoft encryption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do not use Microsoft encryption.

  2. copyright by oliverthered · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How else are we supposed to get access to all these works in 150 years time (or 50 in some countries) when the copyright expires on them.

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    1. Re:copyright by j0nb0y · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Copyright expiration? Copyrights don't expire. Congress extends them again every 20 years. And they'll keep doing so, forever, since the Supreme Court ruled that it was perfectly okay!

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  3. Re:MS Encryption is a joke by gUmbi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One of its highlights is that the first administrator account set up in a domain is designated an "Encrypted Data Recovery Agent". What does this mean?

    For corporations (the target market for EFS), it means that if someone is fired, quits, dies, etc. then their data is not lost foreever.

  4. Re:MS Encryption is a joke by danheskett · · Score: 4, Insightful

    MS encryption should be better, but what you describe is not a flaw.

    In a corporate setting it should not be permissible for an employee to conceal data from the owner of the data and machines. The owner of machine - aka the corporation - should have final say over what is encrypted or not.

    Imagine what could be done if there was no way for a high-level sysadmin to decrypt user files. Imagine the damage that could be done.

    AI spiteful (ex)-employee could easily encrypt and forever destroy sensitive data that is irreplaceable.

    Not only that, but it is entirely possible that the user could accidentally render the data unencryptable. That'd be bad.

    EFS is not for a typical user to permanently encrypt data that can never be revealed. It is primarily designed so that sensitive data on corporate laptops can be stored in a way that if it is stolen it cannot be decrypted. This purpose is well served by EFS.

    There are many excellent critiques of MS's security and data protection capabilities. There is no need to overreach and bash things that do actually work as intended.

  5. GPG/PGP by digitalchinky · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You could always just dump their encryption and use PGP/GPG in its place.

  6. Why it is "low priority" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    MS considers it a low priority because there is no tool that currently is known to be available that can leverage the theoretical issues brought up in the paper. I agree with them. An issue is "high priority" when there is a tool that can be used by an end user now as an exploit. That is how you prioritize things in real life.

    1. Re:Why it is "low priority" by quigonn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That is how you prioritize things in real life.

      This "there is no program to exploit it, so this security issue is not important"-type of attitude is extremely dangerous. The slogan is to act, not to react, especially with security issues. And Microsoft actually should have learned from their part of history...

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  7. Indeed: what respect? by FridayBob · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Their programmers might care, but M$ itself isn't interested in respect from the cryptographic community, because it's something that doesn't matter to their stockholders; it's too obscure for them to care about. M$ only responds to this kind of thing once the news gets out and the public begins to perceive it as a problem. Security through obscurity, remember? Basically, M$ are only in it for the money; a statement that explains their entire track record.

  8. Re:MS Encryption is a joke by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Imagine the damage that could be done."

    Such as, exactly?

    "AI spiteful (ex)-employee could easily encrypt and forever destroy sensitive data that is irreplaceable."

    Or they could just del *.*. Or format c:. Or burn down the building.

    This whole 'spiteful employee' argument is nonsense. The only reasons to have a 'key recovery agent' are to recover password for clueless employees and to spy on slightly more clued employees.

  9. Users don't want strong MS Office encryption by gfecyk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Least of all your US government. The NSA makes a bulletproof distribution of Linux, and other US government offices shun it in favour of Windows.

    Sun Microsystems released Star Office, and a bunch of open source wonks built OpenOffice, with better track records. Yet US government offices shun them in favour of Microsoft Office.

    I'm not sure why they do, especially an omniscent body like the US government who knows these things exist. It must be because they don't want to use them.

    And every day users? Well, users could have taken e-mail content security into their own hands over a decade ago when PGP was out, or eight years ago when PGP for the Exchange client came out. But NO, they didn't want to use it. They could have used S/MIME which was slightly easier to use, but NO, they didn't want to use it.

    Users don't care enough to demand strong encryption in their applications. And Microsoft is in business to make money. They aren't going to waste time making a product that no one will buy. And YOU, slashdotters, aren't going to convince users to buy an alternative through fear, uncertainty and doubt.

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  10. Re:Encryption easily broken by Vellmont · · Score: 4, Insightful


    1) That password you give your administrator account on your system can be hacked off in under 5 minutes with the Emergency Boot CD EBCD . So much for encryption.

    That doesn't have anything to do with encryption. Anytime you have physical access to a computer all bets are off as far as security. You can do the exact same thing in linux, and most of the time you don't even need a CD. Just add a 1 to the kernel boot options and boot into single user mode. No password required, immediate root access. Sure, you can put a password on changing those bootloader options, but just slap in a linux emergency boot CD, and suddenly you have root access to all files.

    Linux encrypted filesystems I know almost nothing about, but I've also never seen a distribution that supports it out of the box. There's probbably one out their, but it's not a mainstream linux feature.

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  11. Re:MS Encryption is a joke by Proteus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While I agree that the 'spiteful employee' arguement is largely bunk, the 'employee who quit, got fired, or otherwise left unexpectedly' arguement is not.

    e.g. I am a sysadmin, and I store all the incident reports on a Win2k3 EFS box, encrypted to my key. These incident reports are important to whomever is doing my job -- no one needs to see them unless I leave unexpectedly. If I get trampled by a herd of malicious gnus on the way to work, the top-level admins will need access to my data, as will whoever replaces me.

    There are two solutions to that -- share my key or use the EFS recoverable key system. Guess which I'd rather do?

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