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Mandrakelinux 10.2 Beta 1 Toured

Anonymous Coward writes "The first beta of Mandrakelinux 10.2 has been released. New package versions and features include some changes to the installation program, kernel 2.6.10, glibc 2.3.4 and gcc 3.4.3. You also get KDE 3.3.2, Gnome, 2.8.1, and GTK 2.6.1. Mozilla-firefox replaces Mozilla, and you will also find gimp 2.2, cdrecord 2.01.01a21 with DVD+R Dual Layers support, OpenOffice.org 1.1.4, Postgresql 8.0, and MySQL 4.1.9. Improvements are also seen in the Mandrakelinux Control Center ergonomy, to ease the network configuration with a better integration of the firewall tool. OSDir tours Mandrakelinux 10.2 Beta 1 with GNOME and KDE in their Screenshot Tours."

32 comments

  1. CHEESE-EATING SURRENDER MONKEYS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait
    1. Re:CHEESE-EATING SURRENDER MONKEYS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      EAT A DICK!
      Who's the anonymous COWARD now?

  2. Wow another incremental improvement. by Gherikill · · Score: 1

    I don't understand why they always release new version numbers for incremental improvements in packages.

    1. Re:Wow another incremental improvement. by CDMA_Demo · · Score: 1

      hope this fixes Post-9.0 Mandrake issues

  3. Mozilla-firefox replaces Mozilla by BrookHarty · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Does this also mean it comes with Thunderbird to replace the mail?

    I like the idea of Mozilla as a whole suite of applications, that way you dont have to install multiple applications, when web+email are the 2 more popular applications. To each his own I guess, Thunderbird is rather nice and works with my exchange server (imap).

    Also.

    In the next betas, you will be able to copy all the CDs packages on your hard drive, so that you will not need the CDs anymore afterwards to install a new package with urpmi or rpmdrake. Moreover the installation will allow to boot from a USB key (if you cannot boot with a CD), and to save the packages selection on a USB key.

    Nice, I actually took my cdrom out of my linux box but it has a USB port. Handy, now to test usb booting. :)

  4. You cant order it ... by Moulinneuf · · Score: 0


    Even if you wanted too you cant order it from MandrakeStore as its not availiable , you dont whant to test a Beta its seems you prefer the final version for testing ...

    Jacques Le Marois/Darth Le Marois is going to solve the problem he is turning the extremely Money making MandrakeClub into a loosing money project second cooker where you get to pay to contribute ...

    Off course everyone who use Mandrake is on brodband ... NOT !

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    I am a REAL American from Canada , not a wanna-be from the country , self called "last remaining superpower" "of America
  5. Dolphin Sex!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    Holy Zoophilia!

    Ok. I consider myself a somewhat open minded person but that was just down
    right gross. Oddly it was just like a train wreck, I didn't want to keep
    reading but I couldn't pull my eyes away. It just got more and more
    disturbing and foul.

    I agree with him on the intelligence and emotional state of dolphins and
    other cetaceans but intra species mating and the thought of 'masturbating'
    or performance of fellatio or cunnilingus upon a dolphin just goes a bit far
    round the twist.

    Although I did get a slight chuckle and head shake out of a few things.

    First, the fact that the penis is prehensile and can be used to pick up and
    carry things. I would love to have a prehensile penis that was between 12-14
    inches. Think of all the things you could do. Like hold a piece of wood
    steady while sawing it, or carrying all the grocery bags into the house at
    the same time, or being able to open a door when your hands are full...

    Second, that one should watch out when receiving vaginal(but he is not a
    woman and thus is not sure that a woman wouldn't be able to take this) or
    anal intercourse due to the fact that the male is from 12 to 14 inches long
    very muscular and can shoot up to 14 feet. The danger here being that one
    could get severe internal injuries that would be a bit hard to explain to
    the ER doc. Gosh, no shit? I can see that conversation: "You see Doc, I was
    blowing my dolphin partner and he got so into it he accidentally broke my
    nose. He really is a good dolphin Doc! He didn't mean to do it! Really! He
    doesn't have a mean bone in his body! It just sort of happened and he felt
    really bad about it afterwards! Please don't report him for domestic abuse!"

    Third, that one needs to be careful having one's face in the general area of
    the genitalia or when performing fellation or cunnilingus on said animal as
    in the case of a female dolphin a possible broken nose can occur and in the
    case of a male a possible broken neck from the pelvic thrusts or severe
    damage to the throat and/or face due to the velocity and force of
    ejaculation. But that if one really wanted to do this just make sure that
    the male ejaculates under water.

    Cut to the Coroner's report on cause of death to the police: Fracture of the
    C2 spine due to a mistimed vigorous pelvic thrust by victim's cetacean sex
    partner while victim was engaged in oral copulation with aforementioned
    cetacean. Death ruled accidental. Recommend that no criminal charges be
    brought against the victim for being such a sick fuck as victim is deceased.

    Or how about the poor doctor who has to tell the family: "Mrs. Jones, I am
    very sorry for your loss. You see, your son's bottle nosed dolphin lover...
    yes, yes I did say bottle nosed dolphin....yes, just like flipper...
    accidentally blew a hole the size of a small casaba melon in his colon when
    he ejaculated inside your son during anal intercourse... Yes, yes I did say
    anal intercourse with a dolphin... Yes your son was the 'catcher' and the
    Dolphin was the 'Pitcher" Mr. Jones... I can't say Mrs. Jones, I have no
    idea what made him do that... Best not to focus right now on what you did
    wrong raising him Mrs. Jones... No Mr. Jones it isn't for me to judge if
    your son was a freak or not..."

    Forth, he gives specific directions on how to stimulate and find a
    'partner'. Including that one should really stay away from places like a
    marine life aquarium as it is too public a place, the dolphin is not in his
    or her natural habitat, and that people may object but it is possible if one
    can sneak in at night.

    Super. I can see it now "Mommy, why is that daddy in the fish tank playing
    with the dolphin's birdie? You told me I would go blind and grow hair on my
    hands if I did that! Will the dolphin go blind and grow hair?"

    Fifth, that he curren

    1. Re:Dolphin Sex!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Flamebait?

      Offtopic or Funny I get but FB?

  6. Too much focus on packages by fm6 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Does it really matter whether a distro comes with Firefox of Mozilla? If you don't like the packages they provide by default, you can probably find the alternative you want on the CD or Web, or build it yourself. What matters is the core functionality of the distro: how's the installation software? The admin tools? Does it come with drivers for my hardware, and are the drivers easy to install and configure? Are all those obscure little configuration files correctly written and easy to tweak? Never mind how many different Window Managers there are, is it easy to switch between them, so I can experiment?

    One important difference between Mandrake and other distros is that it's compiled for recent processors instead of the works-everywhere 386 target. Which in theory should make some difference in performance, but you never hear anything about that.

    1. Re:Too much focus on packages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      If you don't like the packages they provide by default, you can probably find the alternative you want on the CD or Web, or build it yourself.

      This is Mandrake we're talking about here. You know, "Linux on training wheels"?

  7. Mandrake by bcmm · · Score: 1

    I don't understand about new package versions being a reason to call it a new OS (I know they have more, but it should even be one of the reasons).

    Not trolling, but genuinly wondering, when they say the new version has "new $version of gimp, Oo.o, etc. etc." does that mean that they don't package them when they are released but instead when it suits Mandrake's release schedule?

    --
    # cat /dev/mem | strings | grep -i llama
    Damn, my RAM is full of llamas.
  8. Not the best of distrobutions, but... by bcmm · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's a bit slow to boot and to run, and I don't like some bits of it like the control centre, but it's can be good for newbies...

    That said, I tried several distributions (starting with Mandrake 9.2 and returning to later version of Mandrake) dual-boot when I was still using Windows, and Gentoo was the first that I actually used more than Windows. After using Fedora and Mandrake, I actually thought that Linux boot up times were inevitably longer than Windows.

    --
    # cat /dev/mem | strings | grep -i llama
    Damn, my RAM is full of llamas.
  9. your Not the best expert to speak about this by Moulinneuf · · Score: 0

    And off course it has nothing to do with your setup and everything to do with the choice of the distribution ... cynical here.

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    I am a REAL American from Canada , not a wanna-be from the country , self called "last remaining superpower" "of America
  10. Release by Moulinneuf · · Score: 0

    New distribution , not new OS ... its still GNU/Linux.

    Unlike Gentoo ( your distro of choice) wich as no paid developper to work on it and Debian wich release once in every 4 blue moon ( every 3 years ).Commercial distribution make a deadline and release whats avaliable at that time.

    Also a Distribution release and what software are
    available for that distributiona are two different things.

    firefox 0.98 might be in the release , but once firefox 1.0 is out it is available for the distribution.

    --
    I am a REAL American from Canada , not a wanna-be from the country , self called "last remaining superpower" "of America
    1. Re:Release by RangerRick98 · · Score: 1

      So what criteria must be satisfied to create a new version of a distribution? Why can't the distribution just provide the updated files through means like urpmi and you upgrade the packages that need to be upgraded? Why the need to download ISOs, burn to CDs, reboot the box and perform the installation/upgrade?

      --
      "You're older than you've ever been, and now you're even older."
    2. Re:Release by dolmen.fr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So what criteria must be satisfied to create a new version of a distribution?

      Time.
      Every six months for Mandrake. And they are right because that is the only way to do it: all free software projects are independents and have different schedules (when they have one).

      Why can't the distribution just provide the updated files through means like urpmi and you upgrade the packages that need to be upgraded?

      Money.
      Distribution makers need cash at a constant (or increasing) rate. Free updates does not gives money. Microsoft has the same problem: they need that customers upgrades to their latest OS.

      Why the need to download ISOs, burn to CDs, reboot the box and perform the installation/upgrade?

      You don't have too.
      You can find with Google how to upgrade your system without reinstalling with CD images mounted without burning them. But if they told you clearly how to do it, you would not buy new CDs.
      Also, it is easier for everybody (you and them) to support a system installed from scratch, than a system upgraded every six months for 5 years.

    3. Re:Release by Moulinneuf · · Score: 0

      "So what criteria must be satisfied to create a new version of a distribution?"

      A need and the user who cant do it themself ...

      "Why can't the distribution just provide the updated files through means like urpmi and you upgrade the packages that need to be upgraded?"

      They already do that ...

      "Why the need to download ISOs, burn to CDs, reboot the box and perform the installation/upgrade?"

      You dont have to , Mandrake is the most advanced GNU/Linux system , you can upgrade from the net with urpmi , you can upgrade from a local mirror three with software on it. you can use a live-cd or make your own live-cd.

      --
      I am a REAL American from Canada , not a wanna-be from the country , self called "last remaining superpower" "of America
  11. Amazing! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    word for word for link copy of this post
    http://www.tuxme.com/node/359

    I'll take spam, eggs, eggs and spam for $200 Alex...

  12. Linux is Linux by Codename_V · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Exactly. I mean, if you boot Fedora or Mandrake into single user mode I'd imagine it will be every bit as fast as whatever your Gentoo setup is. Or if you turn on as many services on your Gentoo machine as comes standard on a default Fedora or Mandrake install then your Gentoo machine will probably boot just as slow.

    Of course with Gentoo you get the leetness of needing to do everything by hand. But if you don't like the Mandrake control center, then feel free to be just as leet on Mandrake and do things by hand there.

    As for Mandrake being slow, my guess is it's just the -O7 --ultimate compiler flag placebo effect of Gentoo.

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    Free will is just an illusion
  13. Gnu/Linux by Moulinneuf · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    Actually thats assuming that you can turn on as many service as is available on Mandrake on Gentoo , its not the case there not available.

    Also , if you dont know how to setup a system , thats why its going to be slow to boot , on any system.

    As for the Gentoo speed bulshit its already been proven to be just that bulshit.

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    I am a REAL American from Canada , not a wanna-be from the country , self called "last remaining superpower" "of America
    1. Re:Gnu/Linux by RangerRick98 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually thats [sic] assuming that you can turn on as many service [sic] as is available on Mandrake on Gentoo , [sic] its [sic] not the case [sic] there [sic] not available.

      Actually, portage has the largest collection of software available of any package management system I've ever used, and yes, I ran Mandrake before I switched to Gentoo.

      Also , if you dont know how to setup a system , thats why its going to be slow to boot , on any system. (I'm not going to take the time to notate the errors in this quote.)

      This is true; however, my experience with Mandrake was that a lot of services are on by default, whereas with Gentoo you have to explicitly install and enable the services you want.

      As for the Gentoo speed bulshit [sic] its [sic] already been proven to be just that [sic] bulshit [sic].

      I would like to see some citations of this. Though I'd also like to point out that the draw of Gentoo is not the supposed speed increase, at least not for me. It's the USE flags.

      --
      "You're older than you've ever been, and now you're even older."
    2. Re:Gnu/Linux by Moulinneuf · · Score: -1, Flamebait

      You or your system have a problem adding sic everywhere.

      Actually , in reality and factually Mandrake as the largest collection of software , Gentoo dont have 200 000 commercial software only available on Red Hat compatible systems for starter. Unless they got added in the last night and many hundred thousand people forget to told me.

      The thing wich is true is that on Mandrake the default is not written in stone tablets , you can have a default wich as no service started by default , Gento dont offer any default or choice of default , and I will also add that you show how knowledgeable you aren't by answering a question speaking of number of service ( wich Mandrake as more of and some service wich are not availaible on any other system , certainly not Gentoo) by saying Gentoo as more software.

      You got a citation from an expert on the subjects , me , the speed myth and the Gentoo bulshits. Gentoo as no draw what so ever , a draw is something wich would be unavailble on Mandrake , Gentoo possess none whatsoever, and flags are available on all GNU/Linux syatems , you would know this if you where qualified to speak on the subject.

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      I am a REAL American from Canada , not a wanna-be from the country , self called "last remaining superpower" "of America
    3. Re:Gnu/Linux by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

      Give him a break with the "[sic]"s, he's Canadian. They don't know much aboot good English, eh?

      LK

      --
      "Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
    4. Re:Gnu/Linux by Moulinneuf · · Score: 0

      How is answering with the truth flamebait ?

      Gento does not have as many service as is available on Mandrake , they could have them but they dont whant to include them ,they also dont have them available because they dont know some of them exists.

      If you dont know how to set up a system its going to be slow , its a fact

      Gento like to say that there distribution and software run faster due to compilation they believe are not availaible on Mandrake when the same compilation method are availaible for Mandrake. Thats why there not faster and why its bulshit.

      Feel free to proove otherwise.

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      I am a REAL American from Canada , not a wanna-be from the country , self called "last remaining superpower" "of America
  14. Do external USB2.0 Hard Drives work yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've recently tried Mandrake 10.1 and Suse 9.1, and neither of them could mount my ext hdd properly(160GB formatted with FAT32, tried one big partition, and also tried multiple 30GB partitions). When it mounted it opened 4 windows, regardless of how many partitions there were, and none of them could be read. Also, it would only automount when logged in as root. It took them long enough to make USB memory sticks accessible as User, I thought they would have been smart enough to make ext hdd's accessible as well.

    1. Re:Do external USB2.0 Hard Drives work yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Add the option "user" to your /etc/fstab to allow non root users to mount and unmount the device. Here's my fstab entry for my external USB drive. Any user can mount it.
      /dev/sda1 /media/usb ext3 defaults,user,noauto 0 0
  15. GNOME/Evo upgrade? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    I want to upgrade to GNOME 2.8.1 and Evolution 2.0.1 , but apt-get keeps reporting broken dependencies. I want to keep my Debian 3.0r1 install, but update those desktop packages. What can I do?

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    make install -not war

    1. Re:GNOME/Evo upgrade? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Eh, pointing at the right apt repository and some manual installs of the dependencies does the trick. That's not OK, but it'll do.

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      make install -not war

  16. Modem support? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it my imagination, or are the number of modems supported actually decreasing?

  17. Mandrake with possible current Gnome- can it be??! by bach37 · · Score: 1

    Hurry Mandrake, before Gnome 2.10 is released!! :-p

  18. The Above comment is a lie its not informative by Moulinneuf · · Score: 0


    There are more services availaible on Mandrake.

    Service is two thing :

    a software wich start an action in the background so that you dont have to do it yourself everytime. Mandrake as More of those included in there Distribution.

    Its also the term commercial company use to describe the work they offer you to support there product for a fee or for free ( as in no cost ). Mandrake also as more of those.

    Mandrake as the most largest collection of software (790 000 availaible , mostly du by being rpm based and also being compatible with Red Hat , SuSe , Colectiva , etc ... ) its been proven many time over ( Gentoo as around 16 000 , many commercial apps will not run on Gentoo , its not to say they cant be made to run , wich I am sure they could , being a GNU/Linux , there just not ready and availiable at this time ) , and number of software is not an answer to a question about service , services and software are two different things.

    On Mandrake you have a high security default and a Military style default availaible , both of wich have no service started , Gentoo as no default or automatic security setting.

    Every test that as proven Gentoo to be superior to Mandrake as been proven to be a scam.

    - 2.4.5 Linux kernel in Gentoo VS 2.4.1 in Mandrake

    when 2.4.5 availaible in Mandrake VS the one available in Gentoo whas used , Mandrake whas proven to be 2-4 time faster.

    Gimp in Mandrake VS Gimp in Gento + some flags

    When Mandrake used the same flags used by Gentoo again Mandrake whas proven to be 2-4 time faster then Gentoo.

    Mandrake does have what all the other distribution offer and have and then some more that they dont , the others cant and whont do the same as Mandrake.

    Keep spreading the lies about Gentoo , its going to bring back Daniel Robbins and the 20k he add to pay out of is own pocket because Gentoo user are more inteligent and work more and support more there Distribution then Mandrake Users do.
    ( I whas beeing cynical on that last part )

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    I am a REAL American from Canada , not a wanna-be from the country , self called "last remaining superpower" "of America
    1. Re:The Above comment is a lie its not informative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey USE Flags are not available on all GNU/Linux Systems, they are used on Gentoo to allow you to compile only the software options/dependencies you want and not end up with a crap load of Software you don't want or need like most Distro's do ie. Mandrake, Fedora, etc.