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Round Two for MPAA Lawsuits

An anonymous reader writes "CNET is reporting that the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) has filed a second round of lawsuits against individuals trading movie files. This follows the lobby's legal attacks on BitTorrent servers a few weeks back. A couple of commentaries on this latest legal barrage can already be found here and here."

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  1. Re:For parents? by AviLazar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Don't worry this software is purely to help parents ensure their little kids are not growing up to be criminals...it won't be used by the MPAA at all to track those computers and send the info to the MPAA.

    Between that and the fact the parents may not know how to utilize the software I am sure it will be great SuckCess.

    I am waiting for the time comes when i purchase a movie, place it in my dvd player (flash upgrade) or in my computer and it will auto-install tracking software.

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  2. Re:These guys just don't get it... by DaHat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What don't they get?

    Do you think the MPAA and RIAA should stand idly by and not care when people download and enjoy (or hate) for free all of their products?

    I'd say they understand it pretty well, there is a % of DLers who get for free what they would ordinarily buy, and they want that % paying them for the same thing (music, video, etc). If they stand around picking their rears, many will see it as an endorsement of DLing.

    No, they must protect their copyrights and interests, like it or not, nice or not. It is the only way.

  3. Round Two! Fight! by Mitaphane · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Until the MPAA starts cracking down people actually selling their wares instead of people downloading them for free they will not get a tear of sympathy from me. Seriously, I don't understand it. When I was NYC, street vendors make no attempt to hide the fact they are selling pirated goods. Why isn't the MPAA cracking down on them instead of college kids that have nothing better to do with their bandwidth than download DiVX ripped movies?

    1. Re:Round Two! Fight! by saddino · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why isn't the MPAA cracking down on them instead of college kids that have nothing better to do with their bandwidth than download DiVX ripped movies?

      Because:

      1) The number of people who buy videos from street vendors is likely miniscule compared to the number of people who are already downloading ripped movies; and

      2) The quality of videos from street vendors is notoriously unwatchable; and

      3) The "college kids" that are downloading ripped movies are precisely the demographic that the movie industry depends on for generating theater revenue. If it becomes as popular as MP3 sharing, they're going to lose $, hence sue now before it becomes a major problem.

    2. Re:Round Two! Fight! by Eskimore_ · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The "college kids" that are downloading ripped movies are precisely the demographic that the movie industry depends on for generating theater revenue. If it becomes as popular as MP3 sharing, they're going to lose $, hence sue now before it becomes a major problem.

      I disagree with that. Although it is logical it isn't what is actually happening. In actuality the revenue streams of the music industry are not suffering. As proof I offer this article that shows that even though piracy is increasing SO ARE LEGIT CD SALES.

      It's not the actuall loss of sales that is affecting the content industry. It's the threat of lost control.

      You have to realize that it's not the artists that are freaking out here, it's the content distribution companies, who by the way keep the bulk of the profits made from sales. You see, before the Internet they had a lot of control over the end user experience. Now that control is slipping away. In fact, I would say that the internet will almost completely dissolve the RIAA/MPAA business model in the next few decades.

      But they want YOU to think the issue is lost revenue due to pirating. But it's not. It's potential future revenue loss for the distribution companies who, by the way, have reisited every major technological change in the history of the industrial revolution, even though time and again those changes made them richer. They're just plain short sighted.

    3. Re:Round Two! Fight! by j-turkey · · Score: 4, Insightful
      and as far as i know, RIAA has never sued downloaders. they sue uploaders/distributers.

      With BitTorrent, everybody who downloads is an uploader/distributor (unless of course, you're only counting people who seed).

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      -Turkey

  4. biggest quote by greechneb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If the media industries only took the time in the late 90's to understand and serve this group - I believe they call it marketing - rather than fight against them their revenues would be significantly more. Of all industries that should know this it should be the movie industry.
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    Today, the film industry generates more income from video/DVD sales and rentals than from theater runs. Had they won their case 20 years ago against Sony and the Supreme Court ruled VCR's were illegal (it was a close 5 to 4 decision) the film industry would have less than HALF the revenues it does today.</i>
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    I hardly see movies in theaters anymore anyway. I don't really enjoy them as much, probably since a lot of movies anymore are crap put out for the sole purpose of making money. (which all movies are to an extent)
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    I save the money for video rentals, I get about 4 movies for the same price for my wife and I. We can then watch them whenever, and not pay $3 for a popcorn and $4 for a soda.
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    Much more enjoyable, and no kids around to bother me while I watch.

  5. Better than a program to track P2P apps... by hal2814 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...would be the parents monitor what software little Johnny is installing on the computer and to ask what that software does (with demonstration of course). I know if I see icons pop up on the family computer desktop or start menu, I tend to ask the family who installed it and what it does.

  6. Re:LokiTorrent by SilentChris · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why would we want these to stop? Seriously. If they were saying "Bittorrent must be completely shut down", I'd be completely against it. But they're only suing people to stop trading pirated movies, which they have every right to do. I would think most of the Slashdot community wouldn't care about that -- if they take away my ability to get a Linux distro, though, that's another story.

  7. How much can they really sue for? by iamhassi · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I can understand (sorta) the RIAA charging $15 for each mp3 because you have to pay $15 for each CD the original song would be on and since most people have hundreds or thousands of mp3s that can get expensive very fast, but how much can the MPAA sue someone for when they're typically sharing a dozen movies? 12 x $15 per dvd = $180 total. So what are they doing, sending lawsuits for $180 to these people, or are they not bothering to go after the people only sharing a dozen movies at a time?

    I download movies but don't share that many because of hard drive space, I only share what I'm still downloading. Once it's done I typically burn it to CD and delete it from the PC, so while I have (insert large number) movies all they see is maybe the dozen I'm downloading. How successful will this be?

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  8. Re:Absurd! by grumpygrodyguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What is this country coming to?

    It's coming to citizens having to personally reclaim their rights from corrupt lawmakers.

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  9. Re:For parents? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But, on the bright side, if we're never buying DVD's this will never become a problem.

    -Steve G.

  10. Re:These guys just don't get it... by Txiasaeia · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "Your argument only holds water if the movies are free to begin with."

    And if *I* were the MPAA, I would seriously consider this: no ticket sales, profit-sharing with concessions, Hollywood pays a percentage of the actual theatre buildings, etc. I'm sure they could get their money back and this way they could compete with the other "free" way to make music. I know that Famous Players has reduced their ticket prices (this week, AFAIK) instead of driving them up, which is definitely a reaction to p2p. What's going to happen in the future with the next generation of broadband technology?

    I can already download an entire movie in just under an hour, which is sometimes how long it takes to get everybody packed up, in the car, purchase the tickets, get through the concession stand, find a seat, and then wait through 20 minutes worth of commercials. If the MPAA doesn't adapt, and I mean *now*, they're going to lose out on an entire generation of movie-goers. My friend's younger brother (11) hasn't been to the movies in three months, but in that time he's downloaded at least two or three movies a week, simply because it's so easy.

    Music CDs are a different argument, because it's much more difficult to see a band live than it is to see a movie in virtually any city in North America, so no, I'm not going in that direction.

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  11. What everyone fails to accept by Zip+In+The+Wire · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is that copyrights are finished.

    This is not something I'm promoting, or something I desire. It just is.

    How can you expect to control a world, to enforce the "right to copy" when anyone can make 100 copies a second of virtually any data only work?

    In India, before Ghandi G. came along, it was illegal to make salt. People near the ocean were surrounded by billions of tons of salt but weren't allowed to extract it from the ocean. The british mandated this by law to protect their salt industry.

    This is the exact same scenario that is happening with copyright. Some laws were passed 200 years or so ago to make it a civil wrong to do something that is very easy to do nowdays. These laws are unenforceable unless you want to assign the death penalty for possession of a xerox machine, a printing press, a tape recorder, a CD burner or especially a computer.

    It's over people.

    The current think going around is "how can we make these expensive movies if we can't profit from the copyrights?". My answer is, lower your expenses. The first thing you can do is dump expensive actors whose cost is sometimes 70% of a film.

    My response to bad media, movies and music is not to participate. To not contribute to it. I don't think it is a moral justification to infringe copyright to claim that the material sucks anyway. That's really degenerate thinking. Tell it to the judge and see how far you get with that.

    I'm not trying to justify my vision. It's just a fact that copyrights are finished. I'm offerring solutions. While the facts may offend some people, all their ranting, lawsuits and legal maneuvers won't change those facts.

    The facts are technological. The march of progress is currently consuming another hapless victim. I would suggest not getting in the way of the thrashing beast in its death throes. Wounded animals are the most dangerous of all.

  12. How about lowering prices by bloodomen13 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    **I do not download music or movies... but this whole thing frustrates me to no end** The **AA goes after all these college students and kids... what's something they usually have in common? A lack of funds. How about if the going rate for a movie ticket wasn't $8.00 (in my area). I remember when you could see an evening movie for $3.00 and that wasn't too terribly long ago. You could take a freaking date to the movies and get a soda for $8.00 Now, it's $20.00 Lower prices to a reasonable level and maybe people won't resort to downloading to see that movie they've been waiting for. There is absolutely no reason for consumers to have to endure such prices. The theatre that I frequent raised their prices to $8.00 last year from $7.50. Why? There was no noticable change to the theatre or the films in general to justify the price increase. Now they're talking of raising them yet again to $8.50. Oh, wait... forgot that we have to pay those "modest" $20 million dollar salaries to every actor in Hollywood. Not to mention the millions to the producers and directors and everyone else who's name appears in the credits that isn't hurriedly rushed by in a scroll. The same goes for CDs. Lower the prices and put out better MUSIC, not manufactured Barbie and Ken Dolls. Hollywood had a record breaking year in 2004. So, piracy is leading to the demise of Hollywood? Sorry, but you'll get no sympathy from me when you're still making BILLIONS of dollars while some kid in a dorm room makes $5/hr if he even has a job and would just like some entertainment from time to time.