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RFID-Equipped Robots Used as Guide Dogs

Roland Piquepaille writes "A professor in computer science at the Utah State University (USU) is building robots to help people with disabilities, according to the Utah Statesman in this article. The story, which is more focused on the professor than robotics, carries several anecdotes, such as an embarrassing voice recognition system. After a blind man cleared his throat, the robot misinterpreted the sound as a sign that the man wanted to go to the bathroom. Later, every time a man cleared his throat before speaking, the robot changed directions and insisted to guide him to the restrooms. Even if the article is entertaining, this project at USU is far more ambitious. In fact, they want to design RFID-enabled robots mounted on mobile carts which will welcome blind persons at the entrance of a supermarket and guide them through the store. I bet you'll never find those carts at a Wal-Mart store, but read more for other details, references and pictures about these RFID-equipped robots designed to help blind people."

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  1. Dogs robots by KanSer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Part of the benefit of having a guide dog is that it can be a true companion to a blind person, and many times more trustworhty than a robot. A dog isn't going to crash and require a reboot, and kibble is easier to figure out than rechargeable batteries.

    That said, computers and robotics are a reflection of their creators. I guess I trust dogs a whole lot more. A dog can also provide protection against burglars. The benefits of dogs over robots goes on and on.

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  2. Article Text minus the spam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    RFID-Equipped Robots Used as Guide Dogs

    A professor in computer science at the Utah State University (USU) is building robots to help people with disabilities, according to the Utah Statesman in this article . The story, which is more focused on the professor than robotics, carries several anecdotes, such as an embarrassing voice recognition system. After a blind man cleared his throat, the robot misinterpreted the sound as a sign that the man wanted to go to the bathroom. Later, every time a man cleared his throat before speaking, the robot changed directions and insisted to guide him to the restrooms. Even if the article is entertaining, this project at USU is far more ambitious. In fact, they want to design RFID-enabled robots mounted on mobile carts which will welcome blind persons at the entrance of a supermarket and guide them through the store. I bet you'll never find those carts at a Wal-Mart store, but read more...

    First, let's look in detail at the failure of the voice recognition system.

    Vladimir Kulyukin, assistant professor in the department of computer science, works jointly as a computer science researcher and for the

    Center for Persons with Disabilities . He said he had an especially embarrassing moment here at the Center for Persons with Disabilities involving a robot and a speech recognition system.

    "We figured we could speak to the robot in English, and using the voice recognition system the robot would interpret the commands and obey them. I quickly realized that just wasn't possible," he said.

    He said a blind man found the glitch in the system when he cleared his throat and the robot misunderstood the sound to mean the man wanted to go to the bathroom.

    "Every time the man cleared his throat, the robot would immediately change directions and guide him into the bathroom," he said. "It was an especially embarrassing moment in my research," he added.

    Of course, this is only a very small part of the project, which will deploy radio frequency identification (RFID) tags for use in robot-assisted indoor navigation for the visually impaired.

    "Simply speaking, we are trying to develop a robot for use as a mobile grocery cart used for the blind in supermarkets," he said. "The robot would meet the blind person at the door and, by the push of a button, would lead the person to different areas of the store."

    Kulyukin said the robot would ideally be mounted on mobile carts, but the level of funding for the technology here at USU is not sufficient for marketing the project.

    But they already built prototypes. And below are two pictures showing this RFID-equipped robotic guide (RG) for visually impaired people (Credit: Vladimir Kulyukin)

    For more information, here is a link to Vladimir Kulyukin home page -- which is not always available. From there, you'll have access to various pages covering his research interests and his publications.

    You might also want to read a paper named "RFID in Robot-Assisted Indoor Navigation for the Visually Impaired," available as a PDF document (6 pages, 124 KB). Here is the abstract.

    We describe how Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) can be used in robot-assisted indoor navigation for the visually impaired. We present a robotic guide for the visually impaired that was deployed and tested both with and without visually impaired participants in two indoor environments. We describe how we modified the sta

    1. Re:Article Text minus the spam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot to take out the embedded SPAM for the unnecessary radio frequency identifiers.

    2. Re:Article Text minus the spam by antifoidulus · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think you just violated Piquepaille's EULA, you will be hearing from his lawyers. The gall of some people, trying to get rid of the middleman....

    3. Re:Article Text minus the spam by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I wish michael would stop ACCEPTING submissions from Roland. I'm getting fedup with spammers like him. Why link to him when there are the originals which ARE a bigger source of info. I wouldn't like this middleman stuff even if his primdi thing would be without advertisements in an easy to read format, but i refuse to make him live from this kind of spam.

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    4. Re:Article Text minus the spam by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Rolland is one middleman I can do without. I wonder how much OSDN is making for Rollan's submissions, or failing that, I wonder how much Rolland is slipping micheal.

    5. Re:Article Text minus the spam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    6. Re:Article Text minus the spam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for the fair-use, educational and non-commercial post!

  3. Re:Dogs robots by Canadian_Daemon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The benefits of dogs over robots goes on and on.
    I would have to disagree, a guide dog does not know where the library is, or the computer store, or your house, whereas a robotic dog will(does?) have a map and be able to direct you to the location. This robot sounds like a great idea, a good use of technology.

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  4. Re:An agrarian view on RFID processing systems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    And... you didn't check the license before you started "tinkering" with it? Sounds to me that you're either really stupid, or this is just made up. Besides, the point of the GPL isn't so you can take it and modify it and profit from it and keep it secret selfishly. That's what it's trying to avoid.

  5. Re:China & Military Applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    China? What about the fucking USA, seriously, why do you think that it is only china that is the 'evil' empire. Remember the prison tortures and abuse in Iraq by the american soldiers? does that sound familiar to china?

  6. Put the dogs to good use by bigberk · · Score: 1

    Maybe they can follow RFID marked foreign visitors to the USA !

  7. I wonder what will happen... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if the man sneezes, then snorts, coughs, and finally clears his throat.

    1. Re:I wonder what will happen... by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 2, Funny

      if the man sneezes, then snorts, coughs, and finally clears his throat.

      My neural net system indicates that there is a 75% chance he will spit next. In which case, he will want to use the sink in the bathroom.

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  8. Re:China & Military Applications by nsaneinside · · Score: 2, Funny

    Guide dog. Not attack hound. ...Besides, what would happen when said soldier, hiding somewhere near the robot, cleared his throat?

  9. Re:Please mod me down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mod parent offtopic omg

  10. Read more what ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting


    all i can see is a cut and pasted original article, do the editors even read the submissions ?

    i guess copyright infringment is only bad when its software right ?

    1. Re:Read more what ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Oh, it's nothing new, Roland dupes posts for profit.

  11. I want to put frikken LA-ZER beams on my dog... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .. where do I start.

  12. RFID-tagged professors used as robots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Robots for big corporations that is.

    Anything for the corporate money!!!!

  13. What? by contagious_d · · Score: 4, Funny

    I always read the last part of this guys submissions first. It scared me.

    "designed to help blind people"

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  14. Re:An agrarian view on RFID processing systems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't worry, that moron's post is totally made up...

  15. Re:China & Military Applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    USA? What about fucking Germany, seriously, why do you think it is on USA that is the 'evil' empire. Remember the concentration camps and medical experiments on Jewish children by the nazi doctors? does that sound familiar to USA?

    Fucking eurohippies are ruining /.

    Well, making it worse, anyway. Ruin is redundant.

  16. Not at Walmart? by bvankuik · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Submitter says you would probably not see there at Walmart, but those ultra commercial companies are exactly the place I expect them. Those robots could recognize customers by their voice, fingerprint (blind people will touch them) or simply customer card. Them they can make all posts of suggestions.

    "Our store brand of coffee is cheaper, sir"
    "Last time you had cheese on your list"

    I can even come up with things lawmakers would think of, like forbidding Robby the Robot to suggest cigarettes or liquor.

    1. Re:Not at Walmart? by bluGill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly. Walmart already has carts with motors for disabled shoppers. They also have a "greeter" by the door who can easily recognize blind people entering the store and direct them to this special cart.

      This is the sort of thing companies like Walmart love. It costs very little, and looks very good even to those who will never need it.

    2. Re:Not at Walmart? by Khith · · Score: 4, Informative

      I actually work as one of those greeters (which isn't as easy as it sounds, most of the time), so I know the carts you speak of and the people who use them.

      I've not once had a blind person driving one of those things. They're just motorized carts. They don't know where you want to go.

      Hell, I don't trust some of the sighted people with driving those things! They'll forget how to stop (let go of the controls, it's not hard!) and end up hitting the wall, the door, merchandise, or you.

      The blind people who DO enter are almost always accompanied by a friend who helps them through the store. (even when they have a service dog)

    3. Re:Not at Walmart? by rzebram · · Score: 1

      I think grandparent was referring to how a greeter could easily recognize a blind person and point them towards the robotic carts, which they would have in addition to the driving carts they have now.

    4. Re:Not at Walmart? by Khith · · Score: 1

      Perhaps, but it's far more amusing to imagine blind people on unguided motorized carts..

    5. Re:Not at Walmart? by Mr2cents · · Score: 1

      How about hacked guided motorized carts..

      carts hold a 10-lap speed competition around the supermarket (with high-scores, of course)

      or

      carts start to push other people

      or

      carts drive blind person out of the store, right to a competitor a couple of miles down the road.

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  17. I know what's going on here... by MutantHamster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The robots took out insurance policies on the blind men, and they're using every excuse they can to lead them to the bathroom where they can "accidentally fall" and be left unconcious in a running sink.

    It's like the I-Robot movie, only worse! Well... it's like the moive, at least.

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  18. Oh please by iamnotacrook · · Score: 0

    There is a huge difference between knowing the path, and walking the path.

    1. Re:Oh please by Rakishi · · Score: 1

      Right now a robot will fail miserably at walking the path however unlike dogs robots are constantly improving so with time they will be able to do both.

  19. Why the obsession with RFID? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Could anyone explain it to me why on Earth would such a robot - an otherwise great idea - be anny better with RFID than without it?

    1. Re:Why the obsession with RFID? by westlake · · Score: 1
      Could anyone explain it to me why on Earth would such a robot - an otherwise great idea - be anny better with RFID than without it

      The guidance system needs to be simple, reliable, and cheap. You don't need a camera or optical reader of any sort. Paint bar codes or guide tracks on a floor and they will inevitably be muddied and erased. Fire-resistant RFID tags could be very useful in guiding the disabled through emergency escape routes and procedures.

      It should be possible to train animal aides to use simple RFID receivers. Perhaps using audio cues that translate to "Follow me" or "Danger, Keep away."

    2. Re:Why the obsession with RFID? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fire-resistant RFID tags could be very useful in guiding the disabled through emergency escape routes and procedures.
      Exactly. That's the thing; with all the hysteria lately that's been going about with RFID tags and passports/personal privacy, I think perhaps many of us have lost perspective, and fail to realise that (like almost any technology) RFID tags can be applied in ways that are purely and undeniably altruistic. The instance you cite above is an excellent example of this.

  20. Re:An agrarian view on RFID processing systems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    You, sir, are a troll. But, as your post shall be read by others, I wish to correct a number of statements in your post.
    1. FreeBSD is licensed under the BSD license, which basically allows one total control of the source code. You do not need to share the code modifications with anyone.
    2. FreeBSD does in fact support Token Ring. And the file system is the UFS, which does not need to be defragmented.
    3. The GPL stands for the General Public License. You are correct that any code changes need to be released when the binaries are distributed. BUT!, if you are using it only within your corporation, the changes do not need to be shared as it is being used by one entity (the business).
    4. The GPL only applies to code that is written and released under this license. You are free to use the compiler GCC on any source code without this action modifying said code's license.
    5. Windows 2000 supports POSIX code so porting code is not very difficult, unless your code uses very specific dependencies. 6. (This is a personal bias) Microsoft's Shared Source stifles growth by not allowing one to correct any deficiencies found within a code base.

    In short, Mr. Troll, thank you for playing and giving me the opportunity to share information. Your statements were completely inaccurate and misleading and your scenario was also entirely fake, but we appreciate that we had a chance to catch your attention.

  21. Keep this in mind if you're a blind person by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    A dog may become infested with bugs, but not with security bugs.

  22. This just after... by FireballX301 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    ...this.

    So yes, we'll be seeing Terminator deja vu in a few years.

  23. Mod parent -1, Repeats endlessly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Quit hijacking other people's discussions, for godsakes. A lot's wrong in China, but they're not the root of every fucking evil in the world.

    If you've had a bad experience with the Chinese government, why don't you just post your story and be done with it? And otherwise, what's driven you to harm your own cause, by making it look like idiots are the ones who espouse it?

  24. please yourself by bluGill · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The blind face two distinct but related problems: finding the destination, and getting there safely. A dog or cane is an excellent tool to get to the destination safely (in part because sighted people recognize them and give extra space), but they do nothing for the other problem.

    I've helped several blind people find the location of something they were 10 feet from. They were pretty sure they were close, but didn't know where to go next. Their dog would keep them on the sidewalk, but had no idea that they wanted to enter the building not go past it.

    I studied this issue (about 10 years ago), and at that time all technology to solve the second problem was much worse than a dog or a cane. However there was promise in technology to solve the first problem. In fact I said at the time (and other experts agreed) that there was unlikely to ever be technology that would replace a dog/cane. However technology was very likely to supplement those tools to help the blind get to their destination.

    1. Re:please yourself by westlake · · Score: 1
      I've helped several blind people find the location of something they were 10 feet from. They were pretty sure they were close, but didn't know where to go next. Their dog would keep them on the sidewalk, but had no idea that they wanted to enter the building not go past it.

      But what advantage is there to using a robot instead of a much simpler and cheaper RFID reader? Tag a building in a way that says "Outpatient Clinic - Entrance." A dog could probably be trained to respond directly/independently to audio cues.

    2. Re:please yourself by mshurpik · · Score: 1

      Yeah, or the blind person could carry a GPS system with voice output. Robotics implies mobility, which implies that a dog's mobility is not very good.

    3. Re:please yourself by Moderatbastard · · Score: 0
      The blind face two distinct but related problems: finding the destination, and getting there safely. A dog or cane is an excellent tool to get to the destination safely (in part because sighted people recognize them and give extra space), but they do nothing for the other problem.
      There are clearly two functions required; why someone has taken that to mean that they must be combined in the same object, I don't know. But then this is slashdot, where a wifi vacuum cleaner or an internet fridge are good ideas.
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    4. Re:please yourself by danila · · Score: 1

      You are part of the problem. What do you mean "unlikely to ever be technology that would replace a dog/cane"? How about artificial eyes? Or computer vision system with an electronic map of all objects in the city slapped on it? Technology can solve any problem and it is extremely stupid and shortsighted to believe that dogs/canes are somehow not technology. What are they then? Magic?

      No, dogs and canes are technologies just as well as computers and RFID tags. They are proven solutions tested by many years of extensive use, but they are inherently limited and it's time we replace them with something better. And "experts" like yourself would do much more good if they said "Yes, we can greatly enhance mobility of blind people by doing A, B and C. We need X millions per year." instead of saying "I don't see how it's likely". You have a worse case of blindness - the technological blindness to the future. Please try to fix it.

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    5. Re:please yourself by westlake · · Score: 1
      Robotics implies mobility, which implies that a dog's mobility is not very good.

      having watched dogs in action, I'd say their mobility was excellent.

    6. Re:please yourself by bluGill · · Score: 1

      Well, if artificial eyes work that is great. Last I checked those disbled from birth were unable to adapt to such things latter in life, while those who once had the ability adapted easily to replacement technology. I don't know of any artificial eyes, but I know some deaf people who have had implants, they are worthless to those deaf from birth, while useful for those who lost hearing latter in life. If you can make technology useful for everyone great, but until then I'd prefer to work on a much easier, and solvable problem.

      Why work to replace the dog/cane? They are tested and work well. Better to first work on where they are limited, and once that is working perhaps we add abilities to replace the cane/dog - if we can do better, which isn't a given.

      I'm not blind to technology. I want my money well spent. Replacing the dog/cane with a device that does the same thing but provides no location isn't a good use of research money. Supplementing the dog/cane with a device that can tell the blind where they are and how to get to the goal is useful and a good use of research money.

      I don't object to someone working on a cane/dog replacement, but the priority should be lower because that technology is well tested. I don't object to artificial eyes (even if not everyone can use them).

    7. Re:please yourself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congratulations, you did it. -mjs

  25. Obligatory by schleyfox · · Score: 0

    Imagine a beowulf cluster of these, just think of the throatclearing, bathroom breaking power that could be achieved!

    I apologize for this post

  26. Re:An agrarian view on RFID processing systems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yhbt. yhl. hand.

  27. China & Military Applications of RFID Robots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Creating a robot to replace a guide dog has enormous military applications that Beijing would find useful . We best keep the technology "top secret".

    Imagine Beijing using its cheap labor force to create an army of mechanical robots with the mental capability of a guide dog. A mutt is not that smart , but a dog does not need much intelligence to hunt down a soldier and to kill him. Doberman Pinscher, any one?

  28. Overlords? by cynyr · · Score: 0

    I for one, welcome our new RFID-Equipped Robot overlords.... sry all but someone had to say it

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    1. Re:Overlords? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no, no, you didn't

  29. Robotic guide dog by Scott7477 · · Score: 1

    This seems to be a case where location based web services would be useful. A blind person with a GPS equipped cell phone and a guide dog could speak the destination into the cell phone and get spoken directions back and then the dog would just make sure the person stays on the sidewalk, doesn't walk into a closed door, etc.. Theoretically the cellphone system could tell the blind person to stop when they got to the edge of a sidewalk, for example, but you wouldn't want to be totally dependent on the phone(viruses, call dropping).

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    1. Re:Robotic guide dog by Rakishi · · Score: 1

      GPS is:
      1) not that accurate (I heard 10 feet or so for affordable gps units which isn't bad but also not great)
      2) not always available expecially in a city, or in any closed/covered building

  30. RFID by bih · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "The experiments illustrate that passive RFID tags deployed in the environment can act as reliable stimuli that trigger local navigation behaviors to achieve global navigation objectives." That is, you'll have to imbed an RFID tag into everything you want the robot to be able to see. This is a way around the very hard problem of a generalized object recognition system for the robot. It's a fine solution, if you're blind and you don't mind not leaving your home. Otherwise it sucks.

  31. Re:Dogs robots by Indy+Media+Watch · · Score: 1
    A dog isn't going to crash and require a reboot, and kibble is easier to figure out than rechargeable batteries.

    On the other hand, a robot is never going to drag its owner across three lanes of traffic just to sniff another robot's ass.

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  32. Re:Dogs robots by mog007 · · Score: 1

    Dogs are also warm and cuddly.

    With the exception of the robots in porn, there arn't many robots that can make that claim.

  33. Re:Dogs robots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Part of the benefit of having a guide dog is that it can be a true companion to a blind person, and many times more trustworhty than a robot....I guess I trust dogs a whole lot more. A dog can also provide protection against burglars. The benefits of dogs over robots goes on and on. Very true.

  34. After a blind man cleared his throat... by BisonHoof · · Score: 2, Funny

    the robot misinterpreted the sound as a sign that the man wanted to go to the bathroom. Later, every time a man cleared his throat before speaking, the robot changed directions and insisted to guide him to the restrooms.

    And when he unzipped his pants, well, you know the rest...

  35. why the fuck is this offtopic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    or was that an act of Taco?

  36. tsunami song by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just heard a tsunami song on the radio.

    I think that a great deal of emotion has been spent on nothing. Come on, was that song really that offensive? And what's wrong with calling chinks chinks? I mean, we call dogs "dogs", cats "cats" then why not chinks "chinks"? WTF?

    i have to eat now (non chinese food). i will write later.

  37. You WILL find this at a Wal-Mart store... by ezraekman · · Score: 1

    What on Earth makes you think you wouldn't see this at Wal-Mart? If they can mass-produce something for pennies (or nearly that, compared to others) that will help them gain even more market share by being the most visually-impared-friendly store on the planet, you can bet they will. It's not like they don't already been having fun with using RFID tags. Case in point: Wal-Mart's top 100 suppliers have been told to have their products chipped by the first of this year. In other words, it's likely already in place. Not with ALL of them, mind you, but with many.

    Regardless, it's not like self-check-out. What we're talking about is helping a visually-impared person find what they need... and likely making "helpful" suggestions along the way. In other words, helping them make considerably more sales than this visually-impared user would likely make if they simply grabbed an already-busy Wal-Mart employee to help them find something. And who's to say use of such devices would be limited to the visually-impared? Anyone not very familiar with a given store's layout would now have audible directions to what they want... again with "helpful" suggestions as they pass them. And... the "anti-theft" options are limitless. (X was in cart before checkout, Y was purchased, X is still in the cart... call security!)

    Seems like a no-brainer for anyone looking at the numbers.

    1. Re:You WILL find this at a Wal-Mart store... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I, Robert Piquepalle, am French, and hence you would perhaps like to know that only moneyless pigs go to Wal-Mart on French continent. Since they are unlikely to require RFID service, it's likely Wal-Mart will stick to carrying low-quality toilet paper, and not RFID robots.

    2. Re:You WILL find this at a Wal-Mart store... by ezraekman · · Score: 1

      Uh... perhaps you should READ my post. I'm not talking about Wal-Mart carrying them as products. I'm talking about Wal-Mart USING them as automated salespeople and anti-theft devices.

  38. Re:Dogs robots by westlake · · Score: 1
    On the other hand, a robot is never going to drag its owner across three lanes of traffic just to sniff another robot's ass.

    But you don't hear many stories like this about guide dogs, do you? Here is a typical training regime: The Phases of Guidework Training

  39. Neural net? by game+kid · · Score: 1

    Like dee one dat Ahhnuld has in dah Tuhminatah?

    Den fuhst he spit een dee seenk in dee bathwoom, den leave dah bathwoom wit dee robot as dee peepul call him guhlie man and blindee boy and all uh that...

    ...which of course is offensive, with dee laws and dah blindness and dah deesabilitee ahcts and dee badly typed ahccents and things of dat nature.

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  40. What the fuck is with RFID? by flamechocobo · · Score: 1

    Is RFID needed in EVERYTHING? RFID this, RFID that... Next thing we know, an RFID tagged dildo will go on /. and they'll be describing how it works.

    1. Re:What the fuck is with RFID? by Mant · · Score: 1

      If the items have RFID tags the robot can easily find the right item, or part of the store. It is much easier for it to read the tags then try to use optical recognition, or keep a flawless map of where everything is up to date.



      This is a sensible use of the technology, don't knock it just becuase there have been some silly ones.

  41. Re:MOD PARENT UP by zobier · · Score: 1

    Cat got your tongue?

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  42. Informative? by rshoger · · Score: 1

    RFID tech seems to have a good deal of buzz, or at least hype, in hardware headlines as of the last two years. I'm sure we would all like to stay ahead of the curve, and I myself have been trying just to catch up. But I've been having some trouble in finding useful and comprehensive material, at both the free space of the internet lvevl and that of my university library's. I'm wondering if anyone can share some technical information: books, links, advice on the subject, particularly on the hardware setup-with a budget- for a small range passive tag system. So far I've found at least http://www.rfida.com/index.htm to be of some help :)

  43. Cost-benefit analysis by westendgirl · · Score: 2, Informative
    I'd like to see a projected cost-benefit analysis for robots vs service dogs. My sister is raising a puppy that will eventually become a service dog for people with hearing disabilities and other challenges (but not blindness). As a puppy raiser, my sister encounters several challenges, both financial and social:

    permission from her landlord to raise a puppy for 18 months

    permission from her employer to bring the puppy to work every day

    mandatory attendance of weekly training courses

    purchases of collar, leash, haltis

    responsible for any medical costs under $500

    daily socialization, including shopping malls, grocery stores, buses, doctor's and dentist's offices, theatres, movies, restaurants, elevators and sporting events.

    (This is particularly challenging, since many store owners refuse to admit the dog, despite my sister's possession of a government-issued ID that explains the dog is a service dog. People often say, "But you're not blind!" -- they don't understand that people with hearing problems, as well as invisible disabilities, have these dogs, let alone that people need to train them first.)

    Raising a puppy is serious work, but imagine you also need to teach that puppy to ignore food, stop at crosswalks, not chase sticks, ignore animals, and otherwise suppress many instincts. This requires an enormous amount of energy.

    Those are just the requirements for the people raising dogs from 10 weeks through 18 months. For breeders and caretakers of puppies under 10 weeks, the people cannot work outside the home -- and they must take on many of the same challenges as the puppy raisers. As for dogs who finish basic training (at 18 months), many must move on to basic training with new trainers, who take on much the same role as the puppy raisers. Finally, after all of this work, the dog can be placed with a client (person with a disability) for specialized training.

    Recruiting puppy breeders, raisers, and advanced trainers is a challenge for service dog societies, which also need to subsidize food, training and other products. And clients will eventually need to feed and care for the dogs. This is not a small amount of money.

    Given all of these challenges, it would be interesting to see how a robot stacks up. If a robot cost $10,000 plus batteries, perhaps this is not actually much higher than the "value" of a dog that has been through 18+ months of training and must still be fed and cared for -- volunteer time and effects on the puppy raiser's workplace productivity should also be included in the calculation. Certainly, a robot may not provide companionship, but it may not be such a bad idea. With more time on their hands, volunteers could actually provide other programs for clients. Robots could be pre-programmed, so that the first 18-24 months of dog training could be skipped. And you don't need to buy kibble for a robot.

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  44. how about RFID tags for guide dogs?;) by 3point1415927 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As this topic is closely related to my own area of CS research, I was very interested to see the various comments on this matter. The first commenter (who pointed out that guide dogs provide more than simple directional guidance) has an excellent point; however, as others have pointed out, robots can process many types of information that dogs never could, can be programmed to do things that a dog simply cannot do, and can receive information from sources other than visual and auditory stimuli (as with the RFID tags).

    As for the RFID tag conspiracy theorists: seriously, I completely understand your reservations about this technology, with all the talk of RFID-containing passports, and such. And I agree completely that this is a technology with a huge possibility of potential abuse, by agents as various as governmental agencies and "identity thieves". However, I think it's important to keep from losing sight of the fact that this is not an irreconcilably evil techology, by any means; it's not a bomb or a gun. There are so many ways this technology can be used to help people, as several users above have pointed out.

    As for this robot itself (and its software): as we all know, speech recognition has a long way to go before it's really an optimised technology (especially when being used, say, in a crowded public place); nevertheless, I think the concept behind these robots is a great one, and I hope that he finds a way to make it marketable.

  45. Assistance dogs are not (usually) protectors by westendgirl · · Score: 2, Informative
    My sister is raising a puppy for a service dog (assistance dog) program. Assistance dogs are not trained to provide protection or to be aggressive in any way. Because they are leashed and harnessed, they would be at a disadvantage during an attack or threatening situation. If a such a situation occurs, the assistance dog handler is supposed to drop the leash -- if the dog was acting aggressively, the handler might not be able to tell why (e.g. if the handler is blind) or they might be without the valuable assistance that the dog provides (e.g. physical support). If the dog is injured, the handler would be without a guide, which can be scary and dangerous.

    An assistance dog that has been attacked or in an otherwise threatening situation may be scarred for life and may not be able to continue as a guide/service dog.

    Granted, training programs for assistance dogs may vary from place to place. However, when I checked a few websites (as well as that for the society for which my sister raises a puppy), I could not find any that say these dogs provide protection against intruders/attackers.

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  46. In defense of dogs... by AthenianGadfly · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I know this sounds cheesy, but the value of the companionship offered by a dog is something you haven't taken into account (and, indeed, can't have a dollar value assigned to it). I don't pretend to know anything about it, but I would imagine that having a disability such as visiom impairment would be socially isolating to a certain degree (most differences tend to have this effect in society, even those that don't limit mobility). The therapeutic value of having a pet is not to be ignored (a dog doesn't charge $100/hr :).

    Another advantage is that a dog can adapt to new situations better than a typical robot. Also - though it has already been mentioned - a dog can help ensure safety (it is probably less likely to be stolen than an expensive electronic gadget)

    1. Re:In defense of dogs... by westendgirl · · Score: 1
      I don't think your comment sounds cheesy. Companionship is important. My sister has had people come up to her and say that the dog has helped them in ways that a wheelchair can't. (The dog can pick up keys, pull laundry out of a dryer, turn on lights, etc.) However, a robot could probably perform some of those duties. It could not replace the companionship of a living being.

      So it would be interesting to see a comparison of the projected cost of a robot vs. that of a $25,000 assistance dog. If the robot lasted as long, didn't require training time and instead cost $12,000, perhaps the savings could be applied to other programs that would help people deal with social isolation. The volunteer time could be served in other ways, perhaps through social interaction with persons with disabilities. An economist could probably come up with a way to value the companionship derived from a dog. In fact, if the person had a $12,000 robot, they could probably still afford a dog that would always act as a pet, instead of one that has limited time for play and has been trained to not chase things, tug things, etc. And they could keep that dog for more than the eight years that an assistance dog typically serves. This might actually further reduce social isolation.

      Guide dogs are sometimes stolen, but I agree that this could be more difficult than stealing a robot. (Still, do a search for "guide dog" + "burglar" or "theft" and you will turn up some stories!)

      Still, I don't know how effective robots would be or how much they would cost. Since they're still under development, service dogs almost certainly provide more benefits.

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  47. Re:Dogs robots by darkgray · · Score: 1

    Personally I have a severe dog allergy, so developing a robot to guide me if I was to go blind isn't a bad idea.

  48. RFID? by wertarbyte · · Score: 1

    What does the dog need that RFID tag for? I'd understand the use of some kind of transponder system (WLAN, GPRS, UMTS...) for real data communication, either with a central (map) server, or even other robotic dogs in the surrounding, but I don't see the need for a short range identification tag.

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  49. Admirable intentions, questionable design by jkuff · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This article caught my eye because I am a robotics researcher. Although I admire the intentions of the project, I think such a system design is hard to justify given other alternatives.

    Here are some thoughts:

    1) Using RFID tags for robot localization is inaccurate and probably not the best choice for fairly structured indoor environments like supermarkets. Just putting colored/patterned tiles on the floor or ceiling, or using indoor GPS would probably allow the robot to navigate better.

    2) My gut feeling is that blind people want directions on how to find a particular product. Given simple audio advice similar to how GPS car navigation systems do: "turn left here, walk forward, etc" they would probably be able to use a cane or dog to get to the destination quicker, rather than having to follow around a slow-moving robot. So perhaps it would be better to give blind shoppers a small, portable indoor GPS enabled device when they enter the store that can always tell them where they are and give directions to where they want to go.

    3) It would be very difficult to market something like this due to liability concerns. What happens if the robot accidentally leads the person into a sharp object, moving cart, irate grandmother, stairwell, etc... Any injury suffered by anyone involved that gets blamed on the robot will cause the personal injury lawyers to come knocking (especially here in the US, where the power of lawyers is very effective at discouraging new technology from entering society out of fear of liability).

    4) As an aside, having RFID tags to identify various products that a blind shopper would want to buy, and then giving them a handheld scanner they could use to check products and prices on shelves might be useful.

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  50. Re:Dogs robots by Spunk · · Score: 1

    Part of the benefit of having a guide dog is that it can be a true companion to a blind person, and many times more trustworhty than a robot. A dog isn't going to crash and require a reboot, and kibble is easier to figure out than rechargeable batteries.

    And most importantly: the dog won't eat their medicine for fuel.

  51. Then how about a guide horse? by certsoft · · Score: 1

    These folks train miniature horses as guide animals.

  52. Re:China & Military Applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The dog/robot would piss on him, or something.

  53. Re:Roland Piquepaille writes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Heh, heh he does that!

  54. Re:Dogs robots by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

    At least they haven't done the obvious yet- RFID-equiped guard dogs. It wouldn't take much- an 8-barelled flamethrower on 8 motion detectors stacked on top of a mobile platform that disarms when a person has the correct RFID badge- and you'd have the perfect guard duty robot.

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  55. I'll match that by AtariAmarok · · Score: 1

    A friggen shark with a friggen laser array mounted on its forehead takes care of those flamethrower-equipped dogs.

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