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RMS Blasts Sun's Open Source Patent Licensing
cdlu writes "RMS takes Sun to task on its recent announcement that it is releasing 1,600 patents to the open source community. Among the major points, the license the patents are released under doesn't apply to patents, and Sun has not promised to not sue anyone using the technology within free software projects."
Last year IBM took a significant step forward in cooperation with the free software community, by offering blanket licenses for 500 of its patents to all free software developers. This does not cover all of IBM's software patents, which must number in the thousands. And there are other areas where IBM does not yet cooperate with the free software community--they have not provided the necessary information to port a free BIOS to ThinkPads, for instance, and they are still pursuing Treacherous Computing. Nonetheless, this is a real step. Recently Sun made an announcement that superficially seems similar. It said that Sun had given us "free access to Sun OpenSolaris related patents under the Common Development and Distribution License." But those words do not really make sense. The CDDL is a license for the copyright on software, not a policy for licensing patents. It applies to specific code and nothing else. (Copyright and patents have essentially nothing in common in the requirements they impose on the public.)
So what has really happened here? Reading the announcement clearly, I think that it doesn't announce anything at all. It simply describes, in a different and grandiose way, the previously announced release of the Solaris source code as free software under Sun's idiosyncratic license, the CDDL. Outside Solaris, few or no free software packages use that license--and Sun has not said it won't sue us for implementing the same techniques in our own free software.
Perhaps Sun will eventually give substance to its words, and make this step a real one like IBM's. Perhaps some other large companies will take similar steps. Would this make free software safe from the danger of software patents? Would the problem of software patents be solved? Not on your life. Neither one.
We can be quite sure that not all large patent holders will do this. In fact, there is one company with lots of patents that surely won't take such a step. That is Microsoft, which says it is our enemy. Microsoft would love to make useful free software effectively illegal, and has plenty of money to pay lawyers to use whatever avenues governments provide them.
But the danger is not only from those that specifically consider us their enemies. It also comes from patent holders that are the enemy of everyone. These are the patent parasites--companies whose sole assets are patents, and whose only business is threats. Patent parasites don't really produce anything, they only suck the blood of those who do. As regards their choice of victims, they have the scruples of a mosquito, so you're only safe if they don't think you're worth biting.
Consider, for instance, the company founded by ex-Microsoft executive Myhrvold, which cheerfully says it is spending $350M to buy up patents (not specifically in software) so it can go around threatening and bullying everyone else. Of course, these parasites don't like to describe their activities in such terms. Much as the mafia, when it threatens to attack local businesses unless they pay, says it is charging for "protection", Myhrvold's company prefers to say it is "renting out" the patents. It expects this investment in what we could call the "patent protection racket" to pay off handsomely. For that to occur, lots of people have to get bitten.
The danger of software patents is not limited to free software, which is why the opposition to software patents is not limited to free software developers. Everyone involved with computers, aside from the megacorporations, must expect to lose. For instance, proprietary software developers are much more likely to be the victims of patents than to have a chance to use patents for aggression. Although I don't think proprietary software is ethically legitimate, it is a fact that developers of proprietary software are in the same danger from patents, and many of them know it.
Then think of all the software that is neither free nor proprietary: private-use software, software developed for and used by one client. Most software is pri
What difference would it make if Sun "promised" to not sue free software projects "using" those patents? Maybe I'm wrong, but I think a mere promise wouldn't hold up in court, anyway.
quidquid latine dictum sit altum videtur.
Please tell me how it will result in more open-source software? Did anyone gave a fuck of these patents BEFORE Sun's licence existed? NO!
Having been following this controversy for a while, I am not so sure. The following concerns have been raised:
1) Patents may have been donated only to CDDL projects, which would still preclude them from being used in GPL'd projects.
2) It is not clear what the actual scope of the licensing is and whether it will be GPL-compliant.
I am hopeful that these issues can be worked out, but it is too soon to tell whether this will actually be helpful or just a publicity stunt devoid of any real meaning.
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Though I would readily agree that Sun has done a lot of good things for the community, releasing, or rather not releasing this patents certainly isn't one of them.
So what did Sun do? They basicly opensource Solaris under a license that makes sure that the Solaris code can not be used in any opensource projects not under the especially created license (which is every other open source project out there) and then with a lot of noise declared that people developing for Solaris will not be sued for patent infringment by Sun.
It's really hard to see what exactly you call a nice job about that.
This is more like looking a trojan horse in the mouth.
I've had enough abrasive sigs. Kittens are cute and fuzzy.
Good one. Don't let the fact that he happens to be right in this instance affect your little jab.
Now now, RMS can be a windbag once in a while, but on occasion he's been proven to be right. The revolution takes all kinds, soldier, and this guy (and the FSF) has gotten us pretty far.
I'm personally not a big fan of the Sun-MS and I guess that's my personal bias. They've done their share of good for the OSS movement, but have also done some incredibly damaging things to OSS as well. They're one of those wait-and-see types.
If the Chief GNU is barking at something, I'm willing to bet there's something there that's at least worth investigating. To borrow from your allusion, some gift horses come with nasty surprises.
Well Troy accepted the horse and they where not so happy for it afterwards. Not all 'gifts' are equal.
I know this will come as a surprise to you, but simply calling someone zealot doesn't automatically invalidate his arguments.
I can see you surprised face now and here you stutter the word argument?
You see, there is an article linked in the news story and in this very linked article RMS explains in great detail why he thinks Sun didn't do what it should have done and what he thinks Sun actually did.
Now of course you don't have to agree with RMS` reasoning, but please, do yourself and us all a favor and the next time at least try to read the article before you comment and if you disagree try to bring up some arguments and try to reason why you think someone is wrong.
Looking forward to your next, well reasond post,
AC
RMS is one of the greatest allies of free software. He has stuck firmly to the principles he believes in. He has dedicated his life to evangelizing free software. He is in no small part responisble for the GPL and GNU/Linux. Can you say the same about yourself?
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Specifically, the grant is promoted as being to the community of Open Source developers, but its terms restrict it to software that is under a license that is unique to Solaris. The Linux developers, who use a different license, can be sued for using the same patents. And Sun attempts to tell us how charitable a community member they are for doing this. It has a deceptive flavor that sticks in the craw of many Open Source developers.
Bruce
Bruce Perens.
longest journey beginning with a single step
A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. So long as that step is in the right direction.
zeal sometimes does as much harm as good
You mean like zealously opposing anything RMS says without offering a shred of reasoning one way or
the other about what he actually said? (and I'm guessing without reading the article either)
Unfortunately I see it as a gimmick.
Let's look at Sun's Open Source strategy:
You can take OpenSolaris source code and modify it. You cannot take OpenSolaris patented concepts and place them into other works OSS or otherwise. If things pan out for Sun that means they will have a large developer base dumping code into Solaris, which will make Solaris better and more competitive. Sun basically just improved Solaris with no R&D by leveraging the OSS community. It appears, as of now, that Sun is in this for free skilled labor and nothing else. They are trying to have their cake (revenues from Solaris) and eat it to (no competing products resulting from Open Solaris concepts because of patent issues). The open code without the freedom from patents is like saying "Hey, developers, help me make a buck off this OS by contributing your code for free."
It doesn't take a zealot or a great deal of common sense to notice this. I say let Sun do it, and when they don't attract the huge developer base they hoped to attract maybe they will rethink their OSS approach.
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Actually he's almost always right.
Better said, some people frequently agree with RMS's opinions.
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Free Software, in the GPL/FSF/Stallman sense is not about price at all. You should make money from your software, you should sell it- just allow people to study and modify it, redistribute and distribute it too.
What is the software you are creating? Software like Adobe Photoshop, or custom software for internal use/a client?
Don't forget - the FSF sells Free Software too. It helps them survive.
Join the Free Software Foundation
Oh wacky, wacky Richard.
You had me with the "my software is free, just share your code with me too" line.
You had me with the "complete UNIX toolset, we just need a kernel" idea.
You lost me with the "now all code should be free without exceptions" bit.
After that, I stopped caring what you thought about the APSL and the BSD license, and still don't care what you think about the CDDL.
A brilliant engineer you are, but please stop playing the pundit on all technology issues that run counter to your ideas. Clearly, the GPL isn't for everyone... try to remember that.
bash-3.00$ uname -a
SunOS panda 5.10 Generic sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-2
To,
All those who modded down the parent take note of the following:
It's Sun's property, they can do whatever they want with their property.
Anybody/everyone who thinks that if source code is opened for viewing that it must also be opened for use with the GPL or Tom-Dick-and-Harry's License is full of it.
I'm sure that the powers that be at Sun would be more than happy to tell RMS to stick it you know where. Just as RMS seems to think it is his God given right to do all so often.
---- Go ahead, mod me down, I'll just post it again and you lose your mod points.
This is a case where using an idea from the code you read can hurt you. Cut and paste is necessary to infringe on copyright, only use of a similar algorithm is necessary to infringe a patent.
Bruce
Bruce Perens.
Only with an Open Source zealot can he look a gift horse in the mouth, and after inspecting each and every gold cap, yell at the giver for not putting in platinum with extra dental service for life like he wanted.
Let's break it down for you. To use your analogy, Sun gives itself a gift horse, and shows it to the open source community.
Sun: "see all these gold teeth?"
Open Source Community: (shrugs) "They're OK I guess..."
Sun: "I'll let you take a closer look at these teeth, study them, and improve upon them by redesigning/refactoring them, and improving the manufacturing process if you sign up for our special license!"
Open source community: "Oh, so we can look at the design of the teeth, think about how we've managed our own horse's teeth, and contribute our best ideas and work hard to improve your horses, is that it?"
Sun: "Of course, won't that be fun?"
Open Source Community: "So, does it work both ways? I mean, we can then think about how you've implemented your horse's gold teeth, and maybe use some of the ideas to improve our own horse's teeth, right?"
Sun: (confers with lawyers, who violently signal a negative response) "Let's not worry about that for now, the main thing is, you can all work hard to make our horse healthy, strong and more popular than ever, and won't that be fun?"
Open Source Community: "So, we are supposed to take up a new hobby, improving your horse's teeth, right? That's cool, we like programming... But just to be clear, are you saying you won't sue us if we use some of the ideas to improve our own horses teeth?"
Sun: (glances at lawyers, who give him dirty looks and pantomime a slicing motion across their throats) "I'm not sure what you're getting at here, and I really don't know what you expect from us. Come on, this is offered in good faith, so just trust me, OK?"
Open Source Community: "Well, that is certainly a great offer, but I think I'll pass for now. I mean, it sounds like a blast and all, but I've got my hands full taking care of my own horses. But hey dude, listen, take care and good luck with it, aight?"
lots of idiots on this board simply saying "RMS is teh l4m3 lololol." Most people seem not to have read the article. Sun is just doing what Apple did with Darwin, and "giving" the right to use Solaris code for Sun's (and Solaris users, yes) benifit, while preventing the code from being used elsewhere, and sailing under the open source flag. If they want to do that, fine, but I am glad to see RMS complain.
I have freaks! I did something right...
Whenever RMS is mentioned in an article, some variation of the same old GNU/Linux joke comes up, and invariably gets modded up. This is getting way more tiring than RMS's own harping on adding the GNU/ to Linux. What if we just STFU about it, okay? We know the good man is a dork, now. Let's pay some attention to his points instead; some of them may be worth listening to and even have some importance.
It's easy to ignore what he says, because he's obviously nuts. But, attacking the speaker instead of the argument is a logical fallacy ( ad hominum ).
Often, he's right about things, and this is one of them. Sun is a hardware company, not a software company. they're trying to get the foss community do their software maintenance for them, so they can continue to sell their hardware. They're not, in this case, particapating as equal partners with the foss community ( any more than apple is ), they just want our help with their code.
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You must not remember that people who read the original Unix code were considered legally tainted.
Yes, just by reading it.
That's a good part of what drove RMS to create the Free Software movement in the first place.
As far as what you remember; it's not the code, it's the algorhithms that the patents cover, and the methods that the programs use, that potentially are the issue.
As far as getting in trouble, it depends on how you define 'trouble'. If someone from ReactOS (just continuing the example) admits to having both submitted code for ReactOS and having (merely) read the source tree for OpenSolaris or portiens thereof it's entirely feasible for Sun to turn around and take the ReactOS foundation to court over any patents that Sun feels that ReactOS infringes on.
Outside of Linux, I can't think of that many OSS projects who can withstand a legal assault, wether they'd be innocent or not.
This may not be a strictly relevant point, but I'll bring it up anyway:
What are the odds that, of those 1,600 patents, NONE of them are violated by Linux in its current form? (I'm assuming near zero, since both Solaris and Linux are unix like operating systems. Has anybody with sufficient knowledge actually looked at the patents in question?)
If Sun were worried about killing Linux or other open source software, I don't think they would need to resort to trying to get people to suck in their code and then sue them. In most cases they don't need to waste their time - a simple filing of a patent case, even of no merit whatsoever, is enough to torpedo most open source programs. The options are a) pay up or b) break the patent. Either one takes $$. So why try a bait and switch approach when all they need to do is swing a flyswatter?
The Linux kernel and a few other programs might be able to mount some kind of defense, but if you want to kill the open source movement you don't need to kill the Linux kernel. You just hit the wealth of small, non-funded private projects that make Linux and friends worth using. A kernel is pretty useless by itself. Even if the big projects could survive, open source as such would still die.
Maybe I'm blind, but I just don't see how the CDDL and the patent "release" does anything except highlight a problem that has always been there and is still there. Twenty useless, indefensible, overly broad patents could conceivably be enough to sink 10,000 open source projects in the wrong hands. And if they go after users it's The End, regardless. Maybe Sun is trying to bait a booby trap here, but I just can't see it. If Sun has those patents, they are a potential headache for Linux no matter what, if they cover things that people might want to include in the kernel. If Sun wants to be a bad guy there is nothing stopping them even without the CDDL. So the upshot is, they're exactly the same problem they were to begin with. Maybe it would be easier to prove patent violation if CDDL code were used, but if matters reach that stage for most open source projects it's already far too late.
"I object to doing things that computers can do." -- Olin Shivers, lispers.org
...for your open source contributions that help him undercut your wage.
IBM understands it...you're not winning a war by IBM playing 'nice' with the opensource community. A company will do whatever is profitable. At the moment, IBM get's free code and great PR out of a few token gestures. They they outsource any actual development work to [insert current outsource country here] which use your freely given code to lower their development costs. RMS argues that there is enough money to be made in the service markets to sustain your wages...well, guess what...IBM has been making a pretty spectacular play for that service market for quite some time now...and it's taking your freely given software and using it to increase it's market penetration. Do you really think that 'small developer X' will be able to compete with IBM in the service market? But it's ok, RMS will be safe because he can always make a living on the tour circuit.
Brilliant strategy guys, see you in the soup kitchen line.
Often, he's right about things, and this is one of them.
I'd say that he's obviously nuts, in the sense that Martin Luther King was obviously nuts: they both have a single issue that they care passionately about, to the exclusion of all other considerations.
Both were/are right. Both were personally offensive enough that some people are still unwilling to forgive them, or accept their positions.
Today, we know that, however offensive MLK and his followers may have been, the Dream in his ``I have a Dream'' speech was worthwhile. There are still way too many people who've never forgiven MLK for being unpopular, and for proving them wrong in their racism.
As time passes, it becomes more and more clear that RMS is dead on in most of his positions, and the people who say otherwise are beginning to open themselves up to comparisons with MLK's detractors, who are generally a nasty bunch.
See what I've been reading.
You're exactly right, they shouldn't be allowed to look. And writers shouldn't be allowed to read Shakespeare, they might steal his plots. And artists can't look at the paintings of Picasso, they might imitate his style. And musicians certainly shouldn't ever listen to anything, they might steal a riff or two! It'd be a terrible world if people could learn from others and be inspired.
You bring up a very good point. The same jokes keep getting modded up. Thank god the "Soviet Russia" jokes have been dying off, but it seems that new "jokes" are taking its place. The "Funny" mods should have some kind of "group check" system, so that every "Funny" point is agreed on by 3 or 4 mods. It'd make the really funny stuff stand out, and the lame jokes die off. Or so I hope.
Elmo knows where you live!
Do you a little deal, we stop harping on about GNU/RMS when others on this forum stop using M$, Micro$soft or Windoze. Deal?
Sun: Hey y'all, here's some stuff and here's the license.
Open Source Community: The license does not sync with our philosophy. No thanks.
Free Software Community: This license is blasphemy in our collective holy eyes! Cast thee away from our presence!
Everyone walks away, life goes on.
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- AFAIK, NFS is an Open specification.
- OpenOffice is available under the GPL.
- GNOME is available under the GPL.
- X.Org is available under the MIT license.
- Many rational people feel exactly this way and avoid Java for that reason.
- Huh?
See the commonality? Open is Good; Closed is Bad. Looks pretty consistent to me. Ergo, if Sun opens their patents to Open Source (or, ideally, Free Software) developers, then that particular action can be filed under Good. Right now, some pretty respected thinkers are unconvinced.Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
RMS != MLK
It's kind of annoying that Sun decides that nearly EVERYTHING should be done through ifconfig. It's got about 4 different invocation types depending on what you're trying to do...
First you gotta plumb the interface. Then you might enable DHCP or BOOTP with it. Then you might use it to configure trunking or fail-over.
GAAAH.
Linux did one thing right with networking. Different commands that control different interfaces.
iwconfig handles wireless auth and behavior.
ifconfig handles address binding and state.
dhclient handles DHCP control.
some other kernel tools control trunking and packet shaping. etc.
Instead of one hideously long man page. (Shudder)
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
And this is why software patents are a bad thing.
A writer or artist can look at one of those works, because they're not subject to patent protections like the Sun code or WinNT code is. It's unfortunate, but borrowing an idea from Sun or Windows can get a programmer in a heap of trouble.
If all was right with the world and software patents didn't exist, this would be a non-issue.
Well, I used to dislike RMS when I first started moving over to Linux. (I used to be a Windows dork and a Mac user before that) I read some of the things he said and they didn't make sense to me. I thought he sounded kind of extreme in some of his views and very annoying in others. Since I especialy hate politics, I really didn't like the idea of his bringing politics into computing. But, after I started getting a real understanding that companies want to control what I do with my machine and the software and data on it, I began to see his point. So my anti-RMS stance started to change. As did my jokes and jabs at him. Sure, it's fun to make a joke every so often and I'm sure RMS would agree. Chances are that the mod who modded you down didn't agree. For what it's worth, if I had mod points I'd mod you up with +1 Funny. Either way, I think Stallman is to computing kind of like Giovanni Pierluigi De Palestrina is to music. Not likely to be a houseold name at any point in time, but probably one of the more important people in computing of all time. And just like the musically inclined people who know who De Palestrina was, the people who understand and are aware of RMS and his position are less likely to want to joke about it.
-"...bad old ideas look confusingly fresh when they are packaged as technology" - Jaron Lanier (Digital Maoism on Edge.o
Sun has been posturing about Linux in a hostile way for about two years. I think that what we are seeing is the prelude to a patent lawsuit against Linux developers.
Bruce
Bruce Perens.
Good grief, did no one read the article? RMS was positively *light* on Sun. What Sun did was a joke, and a dishonest one at that. And he actually praised IBM, even though they only took a baby step in his direction.
His point was very simple: "Sun, you aren't doing a damn thing for FOSS with this gimmick." And he is right. Sun deserves being told this in no uncertain terms, because they presented it as if they *were* doing FOSS a favor of some kind. Sun is mistakenly thinking that they can control FOSS developers by controlling the dialogue, replacing FOSS with OSS and thinking no one will know the difference.
As far as supporting other licenses, it seemed to me like he complained about all of them because I was looking at http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/philosophy.html#TOC
- Why You Should Not Use the Library GPL for Your Next Library
- The X Window's Trap
- The Problems of the Apple License
- The BSD License Problem
- The Netscape Public License Has Serious Problems
- The Problems of the Plan 9 License
- The New Motif License
- Free But Shackled - The Java Trap
Each of those articles is complaining about a different license, up to and including the LGPL! Considering that that list comprises almost all Free Software/Open Source licenses around (except Apache, MIT, and Artistic, as far as I can tell), I was just saying that it's pretty darn likely that any new license would make that list too."[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
I'm sorry that the freedom to own property annoys you.
Freedom of speech is a fundamental freedom which the government cannot take away because it was never "granted" in the first place. It simply exists as a basic, inalienable human right. The body of law, which only recently became in vogue among lawyers to call "intellectual property," is a limited granted privilege. The US Constitution gives Congress the power to create such laws, but it does not require it to nor does it claim that copyright, patent, or trademark are fundamental rights. Fifty years from now, if Congress decided to completely abolish copyright and the patent system, this would be perfectly constitutional.
The Constitution also requires that such laws be used by Congress "to promote the progress of science and the useful arts." So if the application of copyright or patent in a particular field does not achieve this goal, by definition that application is unconstitutional. There are very good arguments why software patents fall into this category and therefore should be abolished.
If you've ever read the writings of the founding fathers of the US, you would very quickly realize that they would never have agreed to use the term "intellectual property" because this is, in fact, a misnomer.
Consider the philosophy of this situation: An inventor in the US and an inventor in Japan come up with the exact same idea completely independently. But suppose the Japanese inventor had the idea 1 month before the US inventor. Who actually owns the idea? Obviously neither of them. It's just an idea that both inventors happened to have, most likely because it was the logical "next step" of innovation. However, if the US inventor publically disclosed the idea using a patent application before the Japanese inventor could get around to it, the US inventor would be granted the patent. This sort of thing happens all the time. See why the term "intellectual property" doesn't quite fit the subject matter?
To properly understand people, it's crucial to see where they're coming from, not brand them as crazy, that's just an easy way to opt out of understanding. I think people misunderstand RMS' goals with the GPL.
RMS wants to do away with copyright and all "Intellectual Property-rights" entirely. He does not want to force everyone to use the GPL, but he created the GPL, "copyleft" as an answer to copyright: Since Free Software cannot legally obtain source or dumps from proprietary software, there was a need for a license that allowed everything to be shared. Except to proprietary software, since they're restricting sharing unnaturally. How else would Free Software be able to compete against copyright? It's an ironical stab at copyright.
When RMS started, he was laughed at. Nobody believed quality software could be made by people in their spare time. Leaders of corporations thought that making something like a UNIX OS would be impossible for others to achieve, but forgot it's us, human beings , who really created the software in the first place. Now, we're seeing Free Software is ahead in some respects, and is slowly overtaking proprietary solutions and making them uncomfortable.
RMS doesn't live in his own world, he sees the illusion our society is building its card-house on. He sees "IP-rights" as unnatural: It is natural to share information. With the advent of free cost copying and distribution of information (The Internet), we as a society now have roughly two choices:
1) Implement more and more draconian laws to conserve our social structure as it is now. Only the elite will be able to produce and invent, while the poor becomes poorer both in monetary riches and knowledge - one of the ways to oppress people. There's no way to prevent the freedom of information, except to create higher and higher barriers between every entity in this world: nations, cities, communities, institutions, neighbours, family, your own brain. Yes, it becomes ludicrous at a point, but at that point, who can stop it? When you've already lost touch with your community, nobody is on your side anymore.
A way to do this, is to create an artificial war against an abstract enemy, thus making people think they need these laws for protection. Even though more people die in car-accidents each year, than to this fictious enemy.
Back to point #2:
2) Another approach is to create a natural abundant society where people collaborate and contribute to the whole. Free Software is only the beginning, and has already proven its more efficient, flexible and reusable than proprietary solutions. Technology will slowly eliminate limitations and create abundance. In such a society, work will be more like play than the hour-wrecking, time-stretching, guilt-ridden, manipulative, forced labour we have today. Why are we waiting for the clock to turn 4-5 if there's not more work to be done that day? In fact, most of the population will not be required to "work" at all, and what work exist can be done taking turns on it. It requires a mature society that will take care of all its inhabitants. Like it or not: socialism, though just like in Europe not everybody need be treated equally.
The GPL is not forcing anybody to do anything. Copyright and so called "Intellectual Property-rights" are forcing people, and is the enemy to a natural progression towards an abundant society.
Abundance or not, is really a state of mind. Some people want to create a future of everlasting feeling of lack. You need more, and more, and in order to get it you have to do what they tell you to do. No matter how advanced technologically we get, we will never be happy, we will be slaves to emotions being manipulated by a paranoid society - our spirit crushed or perverted into material goal-chasing.
I want to live in a mature, natural and abundant society, don't you?
Ask yourself, who is working against the natural progression of evolution,
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