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Microsoft Office Formats Not Really Being Opened

Contradicting this earlier article claiming otherwise, smith_barney writes "Contrary to reports, Microsoft is not opening up its proprietary Office XML schemas. Essentially, the state of Massachusetts is simply repositioning what it considers an 'open format.' According to a report in BetaNews, Microsoft told the state it would ease licensing restrictions, but only for 'end users who merely open and read government documents.' This hasn't stopped Microsoft from tooting its horn, but Jupiter Research senior analyst Joe Wilcox says, 'Buzz about so-called open formats is little more than PR FUD.'"

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  1. Effective monopolist tactics. by bigtallmofo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Almost everyone uses Microsoft Office as opposed to the various flavors of OpenOffice, StarOffice, etc. Not speaking of its fairness, this is a very effective strategy from Microsoft and not at all surprising.

    It's a blatant abuse of their virtual monopoly, but there hasn't really been an effective incentive for them to stop taking such actions in the past. Why would they refrain from continuing such behavior?

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  2. There are other "office" based formats by A+Drake+Man · · Score: 3, Insightful
    OASIS, the format Apple uses for iWork, the KEY is that it will be illegal for anyone to reverse engineer the file format for cross patform/application use. Is that the gist of it?

    I would think that even the NEW Office will still be able to create good ol' .doc files, so wouldn't it burn their biscuits if people just continued to use that instead? (They'll make some minor feature .newdoc only -playing solitaire while working on a doc?- and everyone will use it, anyway, no wishful thinking here...)

  3. Open Proprietary! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "..it is our expectation that the next iteration of the Open Format standard will include some Microsoft proprietary formats."

    **TILT**

    I guess Proprietary is Open and War is Peace?

  4. Massachusetts can still turn them down by Jack+Taylor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let us all hope that Massachusetts doesn't accept Microsoft's formats if they aren't completely open when it undertakes its review of the decision. If Microsoft are seen to have open office formats in the eye of the public when they are not really open, it can only be a bad thing for OpenDocument and other truly open efforts.

    Everyone who lives in MA, go and write to your appropriate representative now!

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  5. Linguistic integrity police by gilroy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Could we all endeavor to remember that "FUD" is an acronym for "fear, uncertainty, and doubt" and not simply a synonym for "lying". There is little of the usual Microsoft "end of the world" blather here; it's just deceptive marketing.

    In other words, business as usual.

    1. Re:Linguistic integrity police by Politburo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, the GP is right. You're wrong in thinking that the idea applies to wholesale language changes such as "'speed' now means 'picture frame'". What the idea does apply to are the gray areas, where the boundaries are not so clear. This is how we got the widespread misuse of words/phrases like "irony", "it begs the question", "same difference", etc.

      It's the same idea that has led to the "copyright infringment==theft" farce that the RIAA and MPAA take great pride in.

  6. Re:Umm.... by sbrown123 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I was actually quite hopefully that Microsoft would open the format. As a developer, a completely open format would have been wonderful. This is sad news. Not surprised, just upset.

  7. Microsoft Word 2000 is VERY quirky. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 4, Insightful


    The last version of Microsoft Word I used was in Office 2000. I got tired of it because it is so quirky with layout.

    Open Office is a bit quirky, too, and they are different quirks. Many times people forget the many, many hours they spent learning to avoid the Office 2000 quirks. They want Open Office to be perfect, and they have forgotten how imperfect Microsoft Word is.

    If you test Open Office, be sure you test the latest version, 1.1.4. Version 2.0 will be available in April or May of this year.

    It's understandable that people who have invested hours in learning Microsoft Word don't want to invest hours again. They just want to get the job done. On the other hand, it would be crazy for the Open Office developers to implement the hundreds of ways Microsoft Office is quirky.

    Generally, when you send documents outside your company, you should send PDF files. That guards against accidental changes. To do this in Open Office, just click the PDF icon in the toolbar. To do this in Microsoft Word, install an extra-cost package.

  8. what's the contrapositive of FUD? by phyruxus · · Score: 3, Insightful
    This post is a pedantic quibble about the use of the word/acronym "FUD".

    "...Massachusetts is simply repositioning what it considers an 'open format.' [...] This hasn't stopped Microsoft from tooting its horn [...]'Buzz about so-called open formats is little more than PR FUD.'"

    Although the borg are doing something bad, this time they are doing it by making something bad of theirs sound good, instead of making something good of someone else's sound bad. Should there be a word which represents the contrapositive of "FUD"? Like LAC, for Lying About Crap, or something? (maybe it's the inverse, not the contrapositive, it's been a while, feel free to correct me)

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  9. Document Formats by ajs318 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's clear that too many important people have had their heads up their arses for too long.

    We need to have it made law that file formats are not secrets and not patentable, but form as much a part of the specification for interacting with the software as, say, the key bindings. {I personally would like to see it become law that software vendors must supply full annotated source code with their products, but let's take it one step at a time ..... Mandate open data formats first, then guarantees of performance, then source code escrow to back up the performance guarantees and protect against vendor , then slowly tighten the screws on the escrow agencies and software companies till it's no longer economically viable to sell closed-source software.}

    It wouldn't surprise me if some software vendor had tried at some stage seriously to claim in an EULA that all the rights in any document created with their software belonged to them. I know that it used to be a breach of EULA to use a certain software company's programming languages to develop applications that competed directly with that company's offerings.

    The good news is that EULAs aren't legally enforceable in any sane jurisdiction anyway, so you can go ahead and exercise your inalienable statutory right to reverse-engineer documents -- for the purposes of study, creation of interoperable software or just morbid curiosity -- to your heart's content. In fact, you can even refuse to accept the EULA at all. You can still quite legally use the software under your inalienable statutory right of Fair Dealing -- you just don't get any benefits that were only promised to you in the EULA.

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    1. Re:Document Formats by Eivind · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I agree. File formats needs to be open. And one more thing too: protocols.

      Software interacts basically one of two different ways.

      Either in that one piece of software saves a file, and another piece of software reads that file.

      Or in that one piece of software directly talks to another piece of software, using some protocol.

      If all file-formats and all protocols where open, a lot would be won.

  10. Re:In other news by tclark · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We can improve the signal to noise ratio on Slashdot and other sites if we all agree that Microsoft keeping things closed/abusing its monopoly position/killing kttens is NOT NEWS and not worthy of mention. Is everybody on board?