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Grand Theft Auto: Myst

j0hnyb1423 writes "Salon is running a "preview" for the next GTA title: Grand Theft Auto: Myst. You have to watch a short ad to see the whole article but it's well worth it. From the article: "Obviously, compromises had to be made. For example, if you've played "Myst" before, you know that go-go clubs are scarce and that there's no Little Havana, per se. Similarly, in "Grand Theft Auto," the only reason you might find yourself in a library is because you're hiding from the SWAT helicopter. Balance was key: Just the right amount of urban development -- followed by just the right amount of urban decay -- was needed to create a picturesque dreamscape that could also credibly be swimming in guns.""

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  1. Downtown Detroit by AtariAmarok · · Score: 3, Funny
    " Just the right amount of urban development -- followed by just the right amount of urban decay -- was needed to create a picturesque dreamscape that could also credibly be swimming in guns."" "

    Ah. This explains the camera crews and digitizing teams combing downtown Detroit a few months ago.

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  2. Calling all karma whores... by david.given · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    Sodding Salon's sodding registration thing doesn't work --- the 'free pass' button isn't clickable. On my browser, at least. Someone hurry up and post the text.

    (And people can't understand why these jump-through-a-hoop-to-read-the-article systems annoy people so much... half the time they don't work! I've simply given up trying to register the NYT, for example.)

    1. Re:Calling all karma whores... by EddieBurkett · · Score: 3, Informative

      Don't click on the free pass 'button'. Click on the image for the sponsor itself. (Earlier today, it was Visa.)

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    2. Re:Calling all karma whores... by Country_hacker · · Score: 0, Redundant

      That would explain why we didn't see it. FF 1.0 with Adblock, and the sponsor's picture wasn't even there.

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    3. Re:Calling all karma whores... by sahonen · · Score: 1

      What sponsor image? Oh wait, I've got adblock on...

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  3. what about San Andreas? by welbz · · Score: 0, Funny

    I like many other ./ers, am still waiting for the PC version of san Andreas. Hopefully it's released before GTA:Myst for PS2, and that the developers haven't started to abandon their PC origins just yet.

  4. Old School by tiktok · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's a lot more impressive than the last one that was in ASCII: Need For Speed: Zork Unleashed.

  5. When two different stories just fit too well.... by ReverendLoki · · Score: 3, Funny

    This sounds like it could have been the first video game review by the Onion AV Club....

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  6. Guns and Libraries? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It sounds like an episode of Read Or Die.

  7. Full text to avoid registration by I8TheWorm · · Score: 1, Redundant

    "Grand Theft Auto: Myst" In the most gorgeously conceived AND ultraviolent video game in history, you can open fire on passing cars with a bazooka while exploring universal archetypes!


    By Jason Roeder


    Feb. 2, 2005 | Objective:

    Climb the ranks as a gangland sociopath by ruthlessly solving a series of intricate puzzles dispersed throughout the fantasy worlds of "Myst." But that's just the game's narrative dimension. Half the fun, of course, is exploration for its own sake, so if for some reason you're losing interest in, say, valves and knobs, just take a break from the storyline and wander. The realms of "Myst" aren't mere pixilated backdrops, but vivid and highly interactive landscapes. If you simply dash from screen to screen, you'll miss out on many of the game's treasures, not to mention some nicely situated sniping perches.

    Start:

    The game begins simply enough: You find yourself on an island. You don't know how you arrived in this magical place -- you've only been out of the joint three hours, and you hope to fuck you're not in Jamaica because you know way too many Rasta men with scores to settle. But unraveling the astonishing truth will take all your wits. Then, it will take the wits of smarter friends, and then it will take the wits of a shut-in who wrote a walk-through.

    How did this game come about?

    With the release of "Revelation," the fourth installment of "Myst," not to mention several derivative novels, the creative team at Cyan worried that the title had played itself out. For a jump-start, the company turned to collaborations with long-standing video game icons. Those early partnerships, however, failed to produce the desired synergy. In other words, there's a good reason you haven't played "Ms. Pac-Myst."

    But the "Grand Theft Auto" and "Myst" series seem so aesthetically opposed. How did the programmers manage to integrate them?

    Obviously, compromises had to be made. For example, if you've played "Myst" before, you know that go-go clubs are scarce and that there's no Little Havana, per se. Similarly, in "Grand Theft Auto," the only reason you might find yourself in a library is because you're hiding from the SWAT helicopter. Balance was key: Just the right amount of urban development -- followed by just the right amount of urban decay -- was needed to create a picturesque dreamscape that could also credibly be swimming in guns.

    "Myst" is pretty much uninhabited, while "GTA" is all about the characters. How did they get around that?

    To be honest, there wasn't any coherent, plausible way to populate "Myst" within the existing mythos. Instead, the game's creators took a bold meta approach. All the inhabitants of "Grand Theft Auto: Myst" are the virtual presences of players who attempted a previous version of "Myst" but gave up forever after 45 enchanting minutes. Without a directing intelligence to guide them, these "afterimages" eventually coalesced into a crude, benighted society -- prostitutes, drug lords, tourists.

    What about Atrus?

    For those of you unfamiliar with the name, Atrus is the architect of all the "Myst" realms. He's wise, avuncular, and needs your help -- a lot, and for free. The folks at Cyan wanted to keep him that way. Rockstar Games, which puts out the "GTA" series, wanted to go in a different direction with "Myst's" most important character. In the end, an agreement was reached: Atrus -- still wise, still avuncular -- would be recast as a harmless rare-book dealer who occasionally troubled players with small errands: picking up 700 kilos of rare books at an abandoned quarry, connecting a rare book to the ignition of a Russian mafia lieutenant's car, and so on. In addition, Atrus' ether addiction could be toggled on and off.

    There's something so pristine and nonthreatening about "Myst." I'm worried that it will resensitize me to violence.

    I know what you mean. There's that one-of-a-kind "Grand Theft Auto" moment when you've beaten

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    1. Re:Full text to avoid registration by I8TheWorm · · Score: 1

      A p.s. to the person who modded this down.. it was in response to a request for exactly this.

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    2. Re:Full text to avoid registration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact that someone asked for it doesn't make it any less redundant. But please, post it again, would ya?

    3. Re:Full text to avoid registration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually they were first to post it, its like moderators don't start reading until the last third of the page and then scroll up moderating anything they've read redundant or overrated despite being posted hours earlier.

  8. It was labeled Satire..Full Text by StillDocked · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Grand Theft Auto: Myst"
    In the most gorgeously conceived AND ultraviolent video game in history, you can open fire on passing cars with a bazooka while exploring universal archetypes!
    By Jason Roeder

    Feb. 2, 2005 | Objective: Climb the ranks as a gangland sociopath by ruthlessly solving a series of intricate puzzles dispersed throughout the fantasy worlds of "Myst." But that's just the game's narrative dimension. Half the fun, of course, is exploration for its own sake, so if for some reason you're losing interest in, say, valves and knobs, just take a break from the storyline and wander. The realms of "Myst" aren't mere pixilated backdrops, but vivid and highly interactive landscapes. If you simply dash from screen to screen, you'll miss out on many of the game's treasures, not to mention some nicely situated sniping perches.

    Start: The game begins simply enough: You find yourself on an island. You don't know how you arrived in this magical place -- you've only been out of the joint three hours, and you hope to fuck you're not in Jamaica because you know way too many Rasta men with scores to settle. But unraveling the astonishing truth will take all your wits. Then, it will take the wits of smarter friends, and then it will take the wits of a shut-in who wrote a walk-through.

    How did this game come about?

    With the release of "Revelation," the fourth installment of "Myst," not to mention several derivative novels, the creative team at Cyan worried that the title had played itself out. For a jump-start, the company turned to collaborations with long-standing video game icons. Those early partnerships, however, failed to produce the desired synergy. In other words, there's a good reason you haven't played "Ms. Pac-Myst."

    But the "Grand Theft Auto" and "Myst" series seem so aesthetically opposed. How did the programmers manage to integrate them?

    Obviously, compromises had to be made. For example, if you've played "Myst" before, you know that go-go clubs are scarce and that there's no Little Havana, per se. Similarly, in "Grand Theft Auto," the only reason you might find yourself in a library is because you're hiding from the SWAT helicopter. Balance was key: Just the right amount of urban development -- followed by just the right amount of urban decay -- was needed to create a picturesque dreamscape that could also credibly be swimming in guns.

    "Myst" is pretty much uninhabited, while "GTA" is all about the characters. How did they get around that?

    To be honest, there wasn't any coherent, plausible way to populate "Myst" within the existing mythos. Instead, the game's creators took a bold meta approach. All the inhabitants of "Grand Theft Auto: Myst" are the virtual presences of players who attempted a previous version of "Myst" but gave up forever after 45 enchanting minutes. Without a directing intelligence to guide them, these "afterimages" eventually coalesced into a crude, benighted society -- prostitutes, drug lords, tourists.

    What about Atrus?

    For those of you unfamiliar with the name, Atrus is the architect of all the "Myst" realms. He's wise, avuncular, and needs your help -- a lot, and for free. The folks at Cyan wanted to keep him that way. Rockstar Games, which puts out the "GTA" series, wanted to go in a different direction with "Myst's" most important character. In the end, an agreement was reached: Atrus -- still wise, still avuncular -- would be recast as a harmless rare-book dealer who occasionally troubled players with small errands: picking up 700 kilos of rare books at an abandoned quarry, connecting a rare book to the ignition of a Russian mafia lieutenant's car, and so on. In addition, Atrus' ether addiction could be toggled on and off.

    There's something so pristine and nonthreatening about "Myst." I'm worried that it will resensitize me to violence.

    I know what you mean. There's that one-of-a-kind "Grand Theft Auto" moment when you've beaten a hooker senseless with a golf club, dragged a tourist fr

    1. Re:It was labeled Satire..Full Text by david.given · · Score: 1

      Yay! Thanks.

  9. Article Text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Grand Theft Auto: Myst"
    In the most gorgeously conceived AND ultraviolent video game in history, you can open fire on passing cars with a bazooka while exploring universal archetypes!

    Objective: Climb the ranks as a gangland sociopath by ruthlessly solving a series of intricate puzzles dispersed throughout the fantasy worlds of "Myst." But that's just the game's narrative dimension. Half the fun, of course, is exploration for its own sake, so if for some reason you're losing interest in, say, valves and knobs, just take a break from the storyline and wander. The realms of "Myst" aren't mere pixilated backdrops, but vivid and highly interactive landscapes. If you simply dash from screen to screen, you'll miss out on many of the game's treasures, not to mention some nicely situated sniping perches.

    Start: The game begins simply enough: You find yourself on an island. You don't know how you arrived in this magical place -- you've only been out of the joint three hours, and you hope to fuck you're not in Jamaica because you know way too many Rasta men with scores to settle. But unraveling the astonishing truth will take all your wits. Then, it will take the wits of smarter friends, and then it will take the wits of a shut-in who wrote a walk-through.

    How did this game come about?
    With the release of "Revelation," the fourth installment of "Myst," not to mention several derivative novels, the creative team at Cyan worried that the title had played itself out. For a jump-start, the company turned to collaborations with long-standing video game icons. Those early partnerships, however, failed to produce the desired synergy. In other words, there's a good reason you haven't played "Ms. Pac-Myst."

    But the "Grand Theft Auto" and "Myst" series seem so aesthetically opposed. How did the programmers manage to integrate them?
    Obviously, compromises had to be made. For example, if you've played "Myst" before, you know that go-go clubs are scarce and that there's no Little Havana, per se. Similarly, in "Grand Theft Auto," the only reason you might find yourself in a library is because you're hiding from the SWAT helicopter. Balance was key: Just the right amount of urban development -- followed by just the right amount of urban decay -- was needed to create a picturesque dreamscape that could also credibly be swimming in guns.

    "Myst" is pretty much uninhabited, while "GTA" is all about the characters. How did they get around that?
    To be honest, there wasn't any coherent, plausible way to populate "Myst" within the existing mythos. Instead, the game's creators took a bold meta approach. All the inhabitants of "Grand Theft Auto: Myst" are the virtual presences of players who attempted a previous version of "Myst" but gave up forever after 45 enchanting minutes. Without a directing intelligence to guide them, these "afterimages" eventually coalesced into a crude, benighted society -- prostitutes, drug lords, tourists.

    What about Atrus?
    For those of you unfamiliar with the name, Atrus is the architect of all the "Myst" realms. He's wise, avuncular, and needs your help -- a lot, and for free. The folks at Cyan wanted to keep him that way. Rockstar Games, which puts out the "GTA" series, wanted to go in a different direction with "Myst's" most important character. In the end, an agreement was reached: Atrus -- still wise, still avuncular -- would be recast as a harmless rare-book dealer who occasionally troubled players with small errands: picking up 700 kilos of rare books at an abandoned quarry, connecting a rare book to the ignition of a Russian mafia lieutenant's car, and so on. In addition, Atrus' ether addiction could be toggled on and off.

    There's something so pristine and nonthreatening about "Myst." I'm worried that it will resensitize me to violence.
    I know what you mean. There's that one-of-a-kind "Grand Theft Auto" moment when you've beaten a hooker senseless with a golf club, dragged a to

    1. Re:Article Text by smileyy · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Shouldn't this get a -1, Intellectual Property Misuse? The Onion *does* have bills to pay, you know.

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  10. I now have a new... by GOD_ALMIGHTY · · Score: 1

    Best Game you will Never play.

    From the fine article:
    There's something so pristine and nonthreatening about "Myst." I'm worried that it will resensitize me to violence.

    I know what you mean. There's that one-of-a-kind "Grand Theft Auto" moment when you've beaten a hooker senseless with a golf club, dragged a tourist from his station wagon, and sped off down a crowded sidewalk, only to realize your sole regret is that you jacked a car with such crummy acceleration. Meanwhile, one of "Myst's" strengths is the way it attunes you to your environment -- not the state of mind for a proper rampage. If you don't have preexisting grudges you can channel into mayhem, just let all the synthesizer music seep into the more reptilian parts of your brain for a few hours. Trust me, you'll be ready for a drive-by.


    I really want to see someone make this game.

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  11. What's so great about these games? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have both GTA and Vice City for PS2. I played for a little while but... meh.

    So I do a couple missions, look around, beat some people up... meh. Why is this fun?

    I lost interest after a couple 1 hour sessions, and I haven't played either game since.

    1. Re:What's so great about these games? by FLAGGR · · Score: 1

      RTFA dude.

    2. Re:What's so great about these games? by MindStalker · · Score: 1

      Btw you should seriously atleast rent san andreas, its has a LOT of content. Simply amazing.

    3. Re:What's so great about these games? by cluke · · Score: 1

      They are great because they offer you real escapism, a sandbox environment that allows you to be as criminal and anti-social as you want in a (reasonably) realistic representation of a fully functioning city. What's not to like?

  12. Just a bad joke by Friar_MJK · · Score: 3, Interesting
    They almost had me on this. I thought it was going to be a real preview of the next sequel. I remember an interview with a Rockstar developer saying that the next (real) installment was going to be nothing like the previous three and will be about as big of a jump technically as going from GTA2 to GTA3 was.

    Instead, I get treated to a crummy article mixing two games that are so different this could never even happen. I think the next GTA is a few years off anyway, hardly past the storyboard sketching phase yet I'm sure.

    1. Re:Just a bad joke by bluGill · · Score: 1

      I hope it does come about. Imagine, Povray quality GTA. Everything looks real, not like some simulation.

      Of course the system requirements will make Doom 3 look simple. Multiple 64 bit processors, lots of memory. Lots of bandwidth inside the machine.

      It would look nice though.

    2. Re:Just a bad joke by Dekks · · Score: 1

      I'm really hoping for Mass multiplayer online GTA, form your own gangs or crime organisations. Unfortunately they'd have to charge if they did that :-/ But it would be cool trying to take out rival busineses, driving along only to have another player try to jack your car not realising you were packing :)

  13. It's a Satire by Miaomiao · · Score: 1, Redundant

    This article is posted in the Satire section of Salon, so isn't really meant to be an example of something that will actually be released. So you don't have to worry about random explosions, and feeding the creator of the world for a horrible book addiction. I just wonder what you would do with 200 kilos of books... arn't they better if you use small print?

    1. Re:It's a Satire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congratulations, Captain Obvious!

  14. Re:what about San Andreas? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Also like many other /.ers, you didn't RTFA.

  15. Re:what about San Andreas? by shufler · · Score: 3, Informative

    Uhh, GTA:Myst isn't a real game that's coming out. The article is clearly labeled "Satire."

  16. Gee, you think? (nt) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nt

  17. uhh yeah... by drunken+dash · · Score: 1, Redundant

    i think the word "preview" was in quotes for a reason - the /. editors clearly knew this was a joke :P

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    1. Re:uhh yeah... by Headcase88 · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the foot as a topic icon. By the way, whoever is marking everything as redundant can stop, these guys are clearly trying to clarify some stuff, and they're hardly being redundant while doing so.

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  18. meh by WormholeFiend · · Score: 3, Interesting

    satire bleh

    What would be interesting is if Rockstar decided, for their next GTA title, to give everyone a little surprise...

    If, under the base-layer of GTA-style missions, there was something else lurking, like an evil cult bent on summoning Dagon or Cthulhu, except that Rockstar would have to not tell anyone about it.

    It could even be a series of ultra-secret missions that aren't even covered by the commercially released completist guides.

    1. Re:meh by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 1

      Knowing Rockstar if they see this there may well be a mission about it put in jokingly.

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  19. GTA:Myst? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So they're going to make a GTA full of totally obvious "puzzles" with an obvious and completely lame non-ending?

    God, Myst has to have been one of the worst "games" ever made. If you're going to write a satire combining two obviously different types of game (actually, one game and one piece of shit slideshow), try and pick something good for the second game. GTA:Zork, maybe, or Hitchhiker's Guide to the GTA.

  20. Tepid. by 1019 · · Score: 1

    Was this really worth the effort? It's not funny at all. Really, you could achieve the same level of 'humour' by combining GTA with any older game. GTA:NBA Jam! GTA: Mortal Kombat! I'm LOL'ing my socks off. Truly.

    Good thing /. went to all that trouble to link it and throw hundreds of idiots who don't RTFA into a desperate state of assumption.

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  21. The Video-Game Mashup! by Saige · · Score: 1

    Mash-ups seem to be the new big thing in music (The Beatles vs. Jay-Z, Linkin Park vs. Jay-Z, Conway Twitty vs. The Sex Pistols (j/k)), why not take it to video games?

    GTA vs. SimCity - city building determines the locations and type of missions, successfully becoming a bigger crime lord brings down property values and drives out sims.

    Halo vs. Master of Orion - fight out those inter-empire battles in the first person

    Quake vs. Home Architect 3D - design a nice home... and have a huge fragfest in it and destroy the place.

    Why not? Could be interesting.

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    1. Re:The Video-Game Mashup! by ikkonoishi · · Score: 1

      GTA + SimCity = Streets of Sim City

      I loved that game and its wacky physics engine.

      Accelerate to max speed, throw car into a 180 degree spin, release the slide button and shoot in the other direction at max speed.

      That gave me a head on collision with someone chasing me so many times.

      They need to make a Streets version for the newer sim city games.

  22. Oh, I don't know.... by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    I'm really looking forward to the tricked out sequel, NFS:Ultima Underground.

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  23. More ideas for GTA crossover games by crashnbur · · Score: 1

    Since the early days of anticipating GTA Vice City, I have discussed with friends and online gamers various ideas for mixing the Grand Theft Auto visual and gameplay structure with other types of games:

    * The similarities of GTA with 007-style shooters that require more stealth are already obvious, so let's move on.

    * Applying the physics engine of driving games like Gran Turismo (or insert your favorite here) could make the driving elements a bit more enjoyable.

    * At some point I want to drive a vehicle into a stadium or some other live sporting event and start a riot involving hundreds or even thousands of people.

    * Take the basketball games in GTA San Andreas to the next level: NBA Jam!

    * Take some classic American Gladiator events and throw an obstacle course at your GTA character.

    * And if you wanted to take the GTA part of the game less seriously, throw in some supernatural elements from RPGs or horror-style games, or Super Mario-style power-ups! :)

    1. Re:More ideas for GTA crossover games by Dizzle · · Score: 1

      Me and my friends have discussed this at length too. A few improvements that WE figured out:

      Realistic physics (you already mentioned this). This could be negative though. If I'm running from the cops, I want some sort of arcade like physics to enhance the experience. There's something about driving slow (as most realistic cars are) that isn't fun.

      Replay mode. This could be amazing because there's been a lot of stuff that I wish I had a video of. Add a director's mode for some truly stunning replays and you're good to go.

      Other things would include custom cameras, good vs. evil maybe, and other "improvements" to game play. This game is already pretty amazing, so I'm wondering where the next one takes us. Should be fun.

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    2. Re:More ideas for GTA crossover games by crashnbur · · Score: 1

      If you just want to improve GTA, here's the best thing I can imagine: options to replay missions.

      The developers could decide whether this is available after completing (a) any mission, (b) all missions at any location, (c) all core missions in the game, or (d) every mission in the game up to 100% completion.

  24. Been done before. by njord · · Score: 3, Funny
    Well, almost: Myst III Arena

    Circa 2000

  25. Sure, The Onion has to pay its bills... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    But does Salon?

    1. Re:Sure, The Onion has to pay its bills... by smileyy · · Score: 1

      Hah. Crap. Two video game articles on two sites I regularly read. Bah.

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  26. Uhh... it's flagged "Satire" on Salon.com by Durindana · · Score: 1

    I glanced at that "article" yesterday... it's annoying garbage, but more important it's pretty clearly fictional. No source for the "interview" is noted. The author's credit at the bottom, IIRC, notes he's some fiction freelancer.

    In related news, subscribe to Salon, a leftist/aggravating but at least independent voice on politics and corporatization!

  27. This is an easy game to write... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone watch Big O?

    Entire city had their memories wiped.