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Spamhaus: MCI Makes $5M A Year In Spam Profits

An anonymous reader submits "According to a new Spamhaus report, MCI makes $5 million a year hosting spammers and illegal spamware. MCI/UUNET has long topped the Spamhaus spam supporting ISPs list, with nearly 200 active SBL entries. MCI even took on spammers such as iMedia, when they were terminated by Savvis in their half-hearted response to leaked pro-spam memos."

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  1. Re:only $5 million by Stevyn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Their gain of $5 million is costing companies many times that. That's why it's bad.

  2. Urgent request.. by adeyadey · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dear sir,

    I am a former member of the MCI ISP, here in my home country on Nigeria. Recently we have aquired the rights to $5 million ($5,000,000) US, which is ours to dispose of by rights, but we urgently need a business partner in Europe to help realise this sum. For use of your services we are prepared to offer you %20 of net proceeds. Please do not discuss this with anyone, since confidentiallity is paramount...
    Please reply with your name, contact address & phone number & bank details for further discussions..

    Yours

    AA Albalone..

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    "You lied to me! There is a Swansea!"
  3. MCI Doesn't care about $5M revenue sources by skoda · · Score: 5, Interesting

    MCI is a $27 billion company. (according to http://global.mci.com/about/investor_relations/fun damentals/).

    Corporately, they don't care about $5M revenue streams. If it's not a homerun, billion dollar profit potential, it's not going to be developed.

    I doubt MCI is actively pursuing SPAM as a business venture. Not unless they believe it's going to generate billions in the next five years. Otherwise, this is a non-story, about MCI making a few pennies because they aren't 100% vigilant.

    1. Re:MCI Doesn't care about $5M revenue sources by mboverload · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Then they should have no quals about cutting off the spammers.

    2. Re:MCI Doesn't care about $5M revenue sources by pyrois · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The point is, they're still making $5M so why bother cutting off the spammers unless it is advantageous for them to do so. I.E. if they make $5M by keeping the spammers, I'm sure they'd drop them if they could make $10M in that action. It's kind of like if you make $80,000/year and every year an extra $5 appears in your account. Even if somebody told you "hey if you stop serving such and such, those $5 will disappear." Why would you bother? In fact, if somebody said "if you stop serving those people, that $5 will turn into $10" you still probably wouldn't care:P In order for MCI to have a legitimate reason to cancel those accounts, they'd have to make hundreds of millions from that decision and/or be in legal trouble. Otherwise, it's a non-issue.

  4. Making Money by Bonhamme+Richard · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Note: I'm stealing this for Richard Marcinko's Rogue Warrior's Strategy for Success. Don't sue me Dickie, I gave you credit.

    To paraphrase an anecdote used as an example in Dickie's book :

    Johnson and Johnson's Corporate credo lists J&J's responsibilities in this order 1) to the consumer 2) to the employees 3) to the community 4) to the shareholders (meaning to making money.)

    When Tylenol (a J&J product) was tampered with in Chicago, resulting in the deaths of several people, the local police advised J&J that it was an isolated incident, and that a recall was not necessary.

    J&J recalled anyway (a $350 million process) and consumers flocked back to Tylenol when it was reintroduced to the market with new tamper proof packaging. Since consumers had proof that J&J cared about them, J&J ended up making money.

    The moral of the story is that caring about your consumers may be less profitable in the short run but that in the long run companies that put the consumer first do better. It's obvious to me that MCI does not put the consumer first. Point 4 on the J&J credo is point 1 in MCI's strategy. MCI just lost one customer.

    1. Re:Making Money by slashname3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The credo list you have (1. to the customer 2. to the employees 3. to the community 4. to the shareholders) was a short term abberation that virtually no company in the world today would agree with.

      All companies today use the following order 1. shareholders 2. shareholders 3. shareholders 4. company executives.

      Companies today have a vision that is about 3 months out to the next quarterly report. The reason is that shareholders will trash a companies stock if they don't exceed all expectation each quarter. And companies have no loyalty or responsibility toward employees. Employees are the first ones cast adrift so a company can show a short term improvement on their bottom line. As to customers, I have to think that most companies feel their customers are morons and idiots. Just look at the commercials they run. :) It has been long known that many companies calculate just how bad they can perform customer service without running off most of the thier customers. Why do you think companies want you to input your account numbers when you call customer service? So they can identify really good customers from the rest of and drop you into a long wait queue in India. Really good customers (read high dollar value customers) get put at the head of the line and get routed to customer service centers here in the US.

      J&J was in a shear panic over that incident. And they did what they did because they felt the company was dead if they did not. Bottom line. Nothing more nothing less.

  5. God doesn't care if you don't say "bless you!" by MorboNixon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As a former employee of UUNet, whom, in turn, got bought out by Worldcom, which was once and now is again called MCI...*breath*...I can say that my pop.net POP3 account I had when I employee there remained active for at least 4 years after I left in 2000. It only got deleted after I stopped checking it for over a month.

    What does this mean? Well, speaking from experience, they don't have nearly as many people monitoring this stuff as they should. So, my guess is that this SPAM abuse is the result of neglect. However, as with most any telecom/IT company, Marketing and Sales drives the business, the techies are beholden to the machinations of the Marketroids and Salesbots. This could be their bright idea.

  6. Re:Impose an E-embargo against MCI by pavon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You do realize that UUNET(/MCI/WorldCom) supports roughly one third of all the traffic on the internet, don't you. You can't simply block one third of all your legitimate incoming mail.

    Furthermore, I don't want to make ISP's responsible for the content that they are hosting. I think that would set very bad precedent, and the internet as a whole will be much better off if if ISPs are legal regarded as common carriers.

    Fight the spammers not the postal service.

  7. I bet it costs MCI more than $5M by sbaker · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yeah - they may inadvertently make $5M from spammers - but I bet the cost of spam to them is a LOT more than that. It follows that this is not an intentional part of their business model - but merely the residue of spammers that they've been unable to eliminate.

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  8. Re:illegal spamware? by Secrity · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Spamming in the US is not illegal, sending spam illegally is illegal. Selling spamware IS illegal in Virginia and UUNet has a large presence in Virginia.

    The Virginia law says:

    18.2-152.4. Computer trespass; penalty. ... B. It shall be unlawful for any person knowingly to sell, give or otherwise distribute or possess with the intent to sell, give or distribute software which (i) is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of facilitating or enabling the falsification of electronic mail transmission information or other routing information; (ii) has only limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to facilitate or enable the falsification of electronic mail transmission information or other routing information; or (iii) is marketed by that person or another acting in concert with that person with that person's knowledge for use in facilitating or enabling the falsification of electronic mail transmission information or other routing information.

  9. They make far more than $5M from spam by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 4, Informative

    Those sleazebags make far more than a mere $5 million from spammers. Whenever each of their customers are getting spammed, they're only too happy to send them the bill for extra-bandwidth consumed (plenty of people have T-1 or above high-speed connections that are rated by used bandwidth).