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ESA to Deploy Mars Express Radar

Posted by CmdrTaco on from the can't-get-enough-of-that-new-mars-topic-icon dept.

fenimor writes "Mars Express was launched on 2 June 2003 and reached the planet on 25 December 2003. After eight months of intensive computer simulations and technical investigations the European Space Agency has given the green light for the MARSIS radar on board Mars Express spacecraft to be deployed during the first week of May. Assuming that this operation is successful, the radar will finally start the search for subsurface water reservoirs and studies of the Martian ionosphere."

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  1. This is why we need a manned mission! by FortKnox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Honestly, this is why we need a manned mission to Mars. All these countless robots and satellites wouldn't be necessary if we just sent several men with testing equipment to stay there for a few months. Imagine how much more can be accomplished! Combine all the cost of all the landers and satellites to Mars and compare it to a manned mission. I'm willing to bet the cost will be very similar and more can be done in a shorter amount of time.[tt]

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    1. Re:This is why we need a manned mission! by LucidBeast · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But these missions cost pretty much nothing compared to manned mission.

    2. Re:This is why we need a manned mission! by The_Mr_Flibble · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Is this a one way trip you are planning ?

    3. Re:This is why we need a manned mission! by cnettel · · Score: 3, Insightful
      It may be true for rover activity, but I seriously doubt that orbital surveys, radar and photographic, would be done better by manned missions (in orbit?!). The communication and weather satellites around Earth are not manned and they do their job, giving significant information about our planet, which we wouldn't have by just staying on the surface and which would be quite dull to manage from orbit.

      Even with an ambitious manned mission, the coverage of the planet would be "spotty". Automated studies give us the broader view.

    4. Re:This is why we need a manned mission! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You have to be joking. Even on Earth, remote sensing usually precedes on-ground human exploration, because it allows people to focus on the most likely targets for what ever is of interest. At the very least, people get a map before they head out into the field, which is exactly what probes such as Mars Express are doing. You have to know where to go before embarking on an expensive trip. Half the value of having robots on the surface, such as the MER tag-team Spirit and Opportunity, is being able to put their local, very focussed observations into a broader, global context.

      It is also immensely cheaper and more efficient. Hell, the two MER robots have been on Mars for an entire year, and can keep going as long as they still receive solar energy at reasonable levels and nothing mechanical breaks. Humans are very high maintenance by comparison.

      Humans will get there eventually, but there is no point in going yet without good baseline information.

    5. Re:This is why we need a manned mission! by NardofDoom · · Score: 2, Insightful
      A human could do in a couple days what's taken each Mars rover over a year. A human would be able to negotiate more difficult terrain and find better samples than a rover. And a human would be able to change commands in the middle of the day.

      Until we have robots that are capable of the mobility and reasoning of humans, we'll have to send humans to do more than scratch the surface.

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    6. Re:This is why we need a manned mission! by rbgaynor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There's a simple solution to the budget problem, sell the rights to TV and turn the whole thing into a reality program:

      Coming Febuary 17th - Survivor XXV - Meridiani Plains. This time we're stranding 16 survivors on the Meridiani Plains of Mars with No food, No shelter, No water, No help of any kind.

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  2. Sub-surface radar? by Atlantis-Rising · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What's the effectiveness of sub-surface RADAR? I can't imagine you can get a good picture of something under a pile of rock from orbit.

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  3. One Step At A Time I Think by Galstaf · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It has proven difficult enough to keep people healthy and sane in Mir Space Station for any substantial period of time. Mir has proved that it is possible, but that's in a reletively large stationary object, not a spacecraft. The technology is certainly not with us for manned missions to Mars just yet and most of the lessons learned from Mir are with the Russians rather than NASA. I think NASA will need to do some long term studies of their own before committing anything other than chimps to the great beyond. Aside from the survival of the astronauts (whatever species they may be), I suspect we will have to get a great deal better at rocketry and robotics before manned missions are on the agenda.

    1. Re:One Step At A Time I Think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Submariners are a weird bunch, even the psychs think so :-) Maybe they can go to Mars.

  4. Re:Delay explained by rsidd · · Score: 2, Insightful
    It's good to know they took the time to work out all the conversions to and from metric.

    That was NASA. This is the ESA. That's E as in Europe. They already use metric -- in fact, it was they who invented metric, over 200 years ago.

  5. Re:Why not test while in Earth orbit? by prgrmr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because that would have required cross-funding of projects from two different space agencies, and we all know how well the bureaucrats grok that. Heck, this could have lead to the co-mingling of funds, and that would be horrible! How would they ever decide on who gets credit for what? You cannot forget what's really important about these projects, you know.

  6. Re:Antenna Boom by gnuman99 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Of course they have safeguards and workarounds but if that fails MARSIS is dead in the water.

    It'd have to find water first.

    And implant itself into Mars like Beagle did. The water is subsurface.