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Microsoft: The Faint Smell of Rot

happycorp writes "A business reporter for ABC/Fortune is asking whether Microsoft is poised to collapse, based on years of industry observation (with successful calls in the past, he notes) rather than purely technical considerations. A short read, with this favorite quote: "if you sniff the air, you can just make out the first hints of rot.""

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  1. ABC Columnist Confirms: Something Is Rotting by fembots · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This kind of "insight" can be applied to almost every company, and it's about as good as Colin Fry's cold reading ("wait, I think I smell something back there...").

    It will however be interesting to see if Microsoft may one day break up voluntarily into different operating units, and thrive in different areas independantly.

    1. Re:ABC Columnist Confirms: Something Is Rotting by ChatHuant · · Score: 5, Informative

      This kind of "insight" can be applied to almost every company, and it's about as good as Colin Fry's cold reading

      Looking for previous Malone predictions I found this gem where he predicts the death of Apple. I quote from the full article:

      "No, I think that if Jobs proved anything, it's that the core body of Macolytes is pretty inviolable. It would be very damn hard to lose them. The question is: Can he do much more than he's done right now? He's up against 300 companies. No matter how clever he is, the combined creativity and brainpower of 300 companies ultimately will defeat him. He didn't believe that the first time around. I think he knows that now. That's why I think he's positioned Apple for the big exit. I suspect he's shopping the place around. I hear rumors to that effect but I couldn't confirm them. If he was smart he'd do the same thing as NeXT. Remember, NeXT almost died, he managed to go sideways with it, establish it with a certain amount of prestige but not a lot of long-term potential, and sold it to Apple. He ended up being a hero, but he came within weeks of being a goat. If he can sell Apple and make a ton of money, then he becomes the savior."

    2. Re:ABC Columnist Confirms: Something Is Rotting by aoteoroa · · Score: 5, Informative

      No - they have a lot of assests. And "investments". In cash they are about equal with Apple. Have a look at their quarterly earnings.

      Huh? How do you figure?

      Apple Balance Sheet 25-Sep-04
      $2,969,000,000 Cash
      $2,495,000,000 Short Term Investments
      =
      $5.5 billion cash equivalents

      Microsoft Balance Sheet 30-Jun-04
      $15,982,000,000 Cash
      $44,610,000,000 Short Term Investments
      =
      $60.5 billion cash equivalents

    3. Re:ABC Columnist Confirms: Something Is Rotting by demachina · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I suspect you are reading more in to the options thing that is really there. You see taxation and regulation is running against options and in favor of dividends at the moment. Options used to be practicly free money to hand out in previous years, but there is huge pressure now for companies to account for options since they dilute the value of shares owned by shareholders who bought them and previously were largely unaccounted for. Executives in particularly were massively abusing them to give themselves windfall profits, even if they weren't performing.

      If you are a Microsoft employee I imagine you are maxing out your stock purchases lately and wanting cash bonuses to buy more stock.

      You see, Microsoft paid out a $3 dollar dividend in December. It single handedly raised average income in the U.S. by 3.7% in December, without the dividend it would have been 0.8%. Though it should be noted that is an average, chances are the lion's share of it went in to the pockets of a few people, Gate's, Balmer, Allen, etc.

      You see the Republican's passed a dividend tax cut in 2003 I think it was. I'm a little hazy on it but I think the tax on dividends is 0% at the moment. Just remember that if you work for a living when you see all those massive deductions out of your paycheck you can't escape. If you make $30K a year you are still probably paying 30% in withholding and payroll deductions. If you're Bill Gates at the moment you can pay billions of dollars to yourself in dividends and pay almost no taxes. Here is what Warren Buffet had to say about it when the Republicans were shoving it through.

      The Republican argument was dividend taxes were double taxation, because the company paid taxes on it when the money was made and it was unfair to tax it again when it was paid out as a dividend. The little catch they didn't mention was big corporations exploit so many loopholes in the tax code, and take advantage of so many shelters they often don't pay any taxes in the first iteration.

      If you were to go the options route you would pay a big chunk of the windfall of cashing them in capital gains taxes, not as much as you used to but a lot, compared to the 0% you pay on dividends at the money. Its pretty rare in the country to be able to make money and not pay any taxes on it. Bill Gates is not stupid, its pretty obvious now is a GREAT time to dole out all that cash in Microsoft's coffers as dividends, tax free. The dividend tax returns in 2007 though Little George is no doubt going to push to make the cut permanent.

      Much of the recent economic "prosperity" is being pumped by tax policy that is letting the wealthy make out like bandits. The current tax code is a huge economic stimulus and that is good to pull an economy out of a recession. It is bad because its leading to huge deficits, and it is MASSIVELY unfair to working people who are getting chump change for tax incentives while the rich are harvesting huge windfalls, some of which they may reinvest in the U.S. and U.S. jobs, much of which is probably being invested in China, India, etc. or being blown on luxury goods.

      You can sure tell when Republican's have complete control of things, because it is TOTALLY sweet to be a wealthy shareholder and it totally sucks to work for a living. The amazing thing is millions of working people who are being totally screwed by the Republicans, economicly, keep voting for them anyway. Republicans have some true genius, because they can sucker working people in to voting against their own economic interest by using wedge issues and scare tactics like terrorism, gay marriage, abortion, religion, etc.

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  2. MS is dying? by tool462 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I won't believe it until Netcraft confirms it.

  3. root by Swedentom · · Score: 5, Funny

    "The faint smell of root" :-D

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  4. Re:Collapse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Um, I bet the shareholders would like their money invested somewhere else if the company stopped making profit. That scenario of spending all the cash reserves to keep going for several years just for the heck of it thus isn't likely.

  5. Smell of rot by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm sorry. That was me.

  6. Comparison? by Saige · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Five years ago it was a source of pride to go to work for the Evil Empire -- now, who cares? It's just Motorola with wetter winters.

    Umm... no. Definitely not.

    As I went from the latter to the former, I can tell you there's a lot of difference. Motorola is bogged down, lacking excitement in teams that should be excited. The place was being "SEI/CMM Level 5"'ed and "Six Sigma"'ed to death. The personality of the employees and teams was as interesting as the endless rows of slate gray cubicles. And it was horrid to take an internal class on Perl, and see experienced software developers that couldn't finish a simple basic program in 20 minutes that I had finished before the instructor was done explaining.

    At Microsoft, I'm excited about my job and the product I'm working on in ways I never was before. I'm more impressed by both the knowledge and passion of the people here than I ever was at Motorola. It's nothing like anything I saw in my 6 1/2 years at Motorola.

    I don't mean to sound like a MS cheerleader here, I just want to make it clear that this is definitely not a valid comparison to anyone who has spent any significant time inside the two companies.

    Oh, and the winter here is a hell of a lot better, even if it wetter. And the summers... wow.

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    1. Re:Comparison? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Its funny how many MS employees visit Slashdot. It must be like reading an Iraqi blog during the war years.

      Apart from the side-taking, I find it very interesting how an iron curtain has developed between MS-crowd and OSS-crowd. Even in other companies there are MCSEs and MCSDs on one hand who insist .NET is the future, and the not-so-well-dressed OSS crowd. Working on cheaper hardware, trying always to run their latest game on gentoo.

      Its a war of Nerds vs Geeks. The Cathedral and the Bazaar. Regardless of all bias, both sides are fully functional, both producing products and distributing it to the world. Somehow it does remind me of the cold war days, MS being the USSR simply because its closed, considered sinister, has a big arsenal, and has citizens who want to emigrate.

      Different people enjoy working different places. I always enjoy work when I know I'll get paid for it. I also sometimes enjoy starting little OSS projects, my pet projects that I very excruciatingly design, plan, and start... just for the kicks and to see if I can make something better, but most of which die before beta. At work, we use both OSS and commercial OSes and software. Both philosophies are at war in every quarter, and despite what the slashdot (or microsoft) crowd might think, right now neither group has the overwhelming strength. Thats why so many companies HAVE to run a linux/BSD firewall, and a windows domain controller. Sure I can run a samba domain controller, but in some ways (beside security) its like running a Windows 2000 professional firewall.

      I wouldnt mind working at Redhat AND at Microsoft. Given the options, I'll choose whichever pays me more. I suspect I'll hate the work at MS, because I'm biased, have been since 96 when I tried slackware 3.0. Theres also a kind of an addictive nomadic freedom related to opensource programming, which occasionally makes up for the lack of $$$.

      I dont think Microsoft will disappear, just as I dont think the x86 architecture will disappear. There are far too many games for me that arent ported to Linux or MacOS. There are far too many applications that require win32 API to run, and running them in WINE makes em less stable not more. The whole reason why Microsoft is bigger than Apple, is why Microsoft will stick around... but Linux will certainly come of age. This competition is bound to intensify.

      I love Linux. It probably will not make one man extremely rich, but it will not only bring more freedom, yet complexity to desktops, it will also bring with it BSD and all other OSes which never had the chance before. Linux actually is a favor to Solaris and MacOS. Currently theyre competitors of sorts, but Linux will make portable applications the fashion. The huge source base that Linux and BSD have created will all run perfectly on both OSX and Solaris and the rest, giving them life (would you rather run Netscape 4.75 or Firefox 1.0 on AIX?), think of the free databases we now have.

      As much as we love to bash Microsoft and hope Linux will be the saviour, too many of us still log onto slashdot from our Windows machines, to bash Microsoft. We've only paid hard cash to Microsoft.

  7. Rot = Market Saturation by reporter · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Microsoft's plight is closer to market saturation than it is to rot. Consider what would happen to General Motors (GM) if it almost wiped out all of its competitors in the automobile industry and captured 99% of the market. The remaining 1% goes to the barely surviving competitors. In that case, GM's rapid growth will slow to a crawl. That crawl would essentially be just the sales associated with replacements.

    The situation for Microsoft is somewhat worse than GM in our example. Consider Microsoft Word 6.0. Unlike an automobile that wears out, breaks down, and needs to be replaced, Word 6.0 has eternal life. It does not ever wear out. After you have used Word 6.0 for 15 years, Word 6.0 works just as well as it worked 15 years ago.

    So, you have no need to replace Word 6.0 unless you want to upgrade. For most people, the upgrade is unnecessary because Word 6.0 already has all the features that you need.

    Other software programs have the same "problem". Microsoft has so relentlessly added feature after feature to its products in order to capture most of the marketshare that most consumers now have no further need for additional features.

    The only way for Microsoft to grow is to enter into other markets. Hence, you see Bill Gate's fist print in the gaming market as Microsoft pushes the XBox. Unfortunately for Microsoft, there is no guarantee of success in markets beyond the computer-software market.

    As a side note, Microsoft will continue to invest heavily in R&D in order to enhance the likelihood of success in those other markets. I would not rule out the possibility of buying Bell Laboratories.

  8. Sure fire way to make MS fail by DuctTape · · Score: 5, Funny
    I have the sure-fire way to make Microsoft fail: I'll invest in it. My history with investments is legend: Iomega, Syquest, Alcatel, to name some.

    As soon as the market opens on Monday, I'll buy a few hundred shares, and watch the tumble.

    Get out while you can.

    DT

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  9. When you're the environment, not the competition by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft is where IBM was in the old days. The excitement that lures glamor-seeking job applicants can't last when you've already grown to fill your entire ecosystem. Ditto the press buzz.

    In other words, where Malone sees senility, he may actually be looking at maturity.

  10. You can "collapse" and still be rich by fm6 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    They've got enough cash in the bank to run the business for decades if they never made another cent ...
    Which means nothing to a publically held business. If you start to screw up badly, having a lot of cash actually works against you. Your investors are not going to let you squander your assets on a business plan that isn't working. If you're a small company, your investors may well shut you down, since your assets are worth more liquidated than they could ever be as a long term investment.

    Of course, Microsoft is too big for that to happen. But "collapse" doesn't necessarily (or even usually) mean total disappearance. It more often means mass firings, loss of market share, plummeting stock price. As happened at SGI.

    Speaking of SGI, I worked there during their waning days as a graphic workstation powerhouse. When people talked about where the company went wrong, a common theme was this: Wall Street fell in love with SGI and threw money at the company. All that cash helped them avoid measuring risks carefully or look for efficient ways to do things. By the time money ran short and it was obvious SGI had to reform, it was too late to claim a permanent place in key markets.

    That's different from Microsoft, of course, since MS's pile of cash comes from their tithe on every PC sold. But the effect on corporate culture is the same. Cash can be toxic to a good organization.

  11. Interesting Cringely article from 1999... by otis+wildflower · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ... here..

    Basically discussing accounting shenanigans before the bubble burst, and I remember reading it at the time (though this comes from this weeks' article links)..

    "The late Frank Gaudette was Microsoft's first-ever Chief Financial Officer. He was also Microsoft's first head of Human Resources, first head of Facilities, first at running just about every department that had to do with operations but not product development, sales, or marketing....

    My question was based on the idea that nothing goes up forever and there must come a time when even Microsoft is no longer a good buy. How can we tell when that time has come? ... He explained that Microsoft carried on its books no value at all for its software. Assets like Microsoft Windows or Microsoft Office, which might be given some book value and depreciated over time were carried on the books as valueless. This contrasted at the time with IBM, which valued its software assets at billions of dollars.

    "Watch for any changes in our accounting," said Gaudette. "If I need to I can start, depreciating the software and maintain earnings growth for years on flat revenue. Watch for the accounting changes, wait for the next uptick in the stock price, and then sell.""

    Read the whole thing, very interesting stuff...

  12. Capital is to be USED not OWNED by jgardn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You've forgotten the reason why Microsoft existed in the first place: To *make* a lot of people a heckuva lot of money.

    If Microsoft sees no future in its business, it will liquidate its assets and pay off its investors. Sure, it has billions, but if it can't find a way to turn those billions into trillions, then it will be sold and the capital invested somewhere else. This is the core of capitalism.

    Companies are the sum of its investors, and nothing more. They can come and go pretty much as they wish. What do you think "corporation" means? It means something made out of many parts, those parts being actual people and their fortunes.

    Companies don't collapse. They are abandoned. That is what is happening to Microsoft *right now*, and he sees it.

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  13. A Parallel: The Collapse of Communism by Nova+Express · · Score: 5, Interesting
    This story reminds me a bit of the conditions right before the collapse of communism. Democratic Senators and the editorial board of The New York Times all said that the Soviet Union was a permenant fixture on the world stage, that co-existence rather than opposition was the only way to deal with it, and that Ronald Reagan was a fool for building up our military and seeking to fight it.

    Ronald Reagan was right, and elite wisdom was wrong. The Soviet Union was already decaying from within, and all it took was a few firm pushes (IRNMs in Europe, aid to the Mujahadeen, SDI) to help push it over the edge.

    So it is with Microsoft. Besides Windows and Office, what products do they have that are profitable? Story after story comes out about how Microsoft is going to take over this or that sector of the industry (MSN, WinCE, WMP), but they never seem to turn a profit. Like the Soviet Union, they've overexpanded, they have a restive population tired of chaffing under their iron bootheel, and a few pushes (Linux, iTunes, etc.) may be enough to push them over the edge.

    To put it another way: It's no accident that both the Soviet Union and Microsoft are called "the Evil Empire."p.

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  14. Right again by jamesl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    On October 5, 2000, Mr. Malone predicted the end of Apple and the PC.

    But with falling profits and plummeting stock, and having hastened the end of the desktop PC era, Steve Jobs has put Apple again in a precarious position.
    http://www.forbes.com/columnists/2000/10/09/1005ma lone.html/

    Microsoft may have a few years left too.

  15. It will be a slow decline by Jeppe+Salvesen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft has as far as I understand two cash cows: Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Office.

    Now both of those are being challenged by open software.

    Microsoft Windows is being challenged by both Linux and Mac. Windows is still king, but Mac is gaining popularity and Linux is becoming ever easier to use. I think Windows will lose substantial market share over the next 3 years or so.

    Microsoft Office is also being challenged. Open Office has come along nicely. A main threat here is the fact that users don't use more than a few percent of all the functionality within Microsoft Office. They pay for stuff they don't use or need. Once Open Office comes with some really slick templates and default fonts, I bet it will gain popularity. I think Open Office will start stealing license money in the not too distant future. The 2.0 release is coming up, and then that will become really good after a few minor updates.

    Once profits decline for Office and Windows, Microsoft will lose a lot of its current freedom to waste money. They will need to be more focused. Given the impression they have a nasty case of infighting already, this focusing will not happen. They will instead continue to decline.

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