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Genetic Engineers Barking Up the Wrong Trees?

Rick the Red writes "In a commentary titled 'Genetic engineering for better suburbia', Vincent Barnes says, 'Cures for diseases and feeding the world with genetically modified foods is well and good but the real money is in solving the problems of homeowners, the vast silent majority of Americans who toil away every spring and summer fighting pests and every fall injuring their backs and falling off ladders.' Should Monsanto bring us designer maples that don't shed leaves? Would you buy designer grass that grows two inches and stops? Even if you won't eat GM food?"

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  1. Not if its patented by argoff · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The problem isn't genetic technology, it is who controlls genetic technology. If you get rid of that unhealthy controll (PATENTS!), then lots of good things will happen with it naturally.

    I don't have a problem with uning genetic technology for anything, what I have a problem with is that if someone controlls a specific piece of genetic technology - then they have a strong incentive to push/impose it even if it is not in my best interest. People are what they hold themselves accountable to, if Acme company has a patnet on a technology that sucks - they will push that technology even if they have the capability to make something far safer or better - that's just the way it is in a patent world. You can see this hapening in the pharmacutical industry all the time nowdays.

  2. Genetic Marketing by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Genetic engineering is just like any other engineering: companies promise features, features, features, and ignore the bugs. GM's fundamental bugs, like proliferation, unintended consequences, ecosystem competition and unknown risks, have never been adequately addressed. The difference is that this engineering is messing with our ecosystem, upon which all life, especially ours, depends. We can't just roll back from a failed rollout. More GM marketing, rather than science to eliminate those risks, shows that the danger is just increasing.

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  3. Nope. by SubtleNuance · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have spend the first 5years of homeownership burying, removing and killing my lawn and other popularily cultivated plants.

    they have all been replaced with stands of a variety of indigenous plants, shrubs, grasses and trees.

    My brownstone-townhouse has a 'small' corner lot, but ive got mayapples, ferns, jackinpulpits, many trees, shrubs, etc etc etc etc.

    not in a million years would i buy such stupidity. Im trying to diversify the plant life to support a greater diversity of insects, birds and animals.

    This idea is as stupid as the moron who waters, fertilizes and mows his kentucky-blue-grass wasteland.

    Absolute stupidity.

  4. Re:Yes! by gnuman99 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Of course I would! I really don't understand those who fear GM food. It's not like the cows, or even the corn we eat now, is "natural."

    Bullshit. You can selectively breed humans to be stronger, or whatever. You cannot selectively breed humans to grow 10 arms and be green.

    Selective breeding is "natural". In many ways that's what nature does as well with natural selection. In many species only the most suited do breed.

    Sticking spider genes in people so they piss cobwebs is not natural and only attainable by GM.

    Do you now see the difference? No? ok. Selective breeding and selection is like writing user level software. GM is akin to rewiring your motherboard like on Cray computers and hoping your box will run Longhorn better.

    People move to country and way out to suburbs to be "closer to nature". Then they destroy it.

  5. Re:Wishful thinking of the under educated. by sbaker · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So you produce that grass that stops growing after 2" - it gets used everywhere - it's genes get out so it competes with and mixes with the general gene-pool for grasses around the world. Maybe because it needs less nutrients (since it's only renewing itself instead of actively growing) - so it out-performs all other grasses.

    Grass around the world stops growing - ruminants have nothing to eat - so they strip the leaves off every bush and tree - then they die. Six months later, we all die of starvation.

    Good idea!

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  6. Re:Wishful thinking of the under educated. by AttillaTheNun · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does anyone ever stop and think, "gee, where did all the fireflies go?"
    or the frogs, chipmunks, birds, salamanders, butterflies, ... I could go on.
    How many people know what a firefly is these days? We've decimated our ecology by removing the natural vegetation from our front and back yards in some stupid quest for the perfect lawn: uniform, monoculter, weed and pest free.
    Then we wonder where all the wildlife went (we killed their homes and removed their food) or why the summers keep getting hotter every year (we've replaced shading, cooling trees with lawn and concrete, or why the air quality sucks so badly and little Timmy has lung cancer and has to breath from a fucking oxygen tank (we've polluted our lawns with chemicals pushed from an industry that doesn't give a fuck about your kids - only your money).
    These genetic monstrosities (if they were ever to become even remotely possible) do nothing to restore the ecosystem that we and our animals friends rely on to survive.
    Get educated about the environment and the small part you can do to restore the remaining fragments. Even your little patch of lawn can make a difference.
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  7. Re:No by Bastian · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The problem with the Terminator Gene is that there was talk of (and specimens of) versions of it where the plants that have it cannot produce offspring on their own, but they can cross-pollinate with plants that do not have the gene to produce offspring that do have the gene.

    The plan was that you could introduce plants with the gene in an area, let nature do its thing, and suddenly have all the farmers in the area be forced to buy seed from you every year instead of using seed from last year's crop.

    Yes, Monsanto has publicly said they will never release their sterile-seed technology to the market, but only after major international outcry, the fact that they even gave this plan serious consideration, let alone fleshed it out and let the world know they were thinking it, shows that there are some exceptionally evil people at the controls of that corporation.

  8. Re:Personally... by shawb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you're thinking about the environment, why not just stop mowing? Some benefits of a naturalized lawn are:

    Less maintenance once it's going (In fact, the modern grass lawn oringinally became desirable because it is so hard to maintain... it required a lot of xervants, and so showed off wealth.)

    Eliminates the need to water during drought

    Decreases erosion

    Provides habitat and food for wildlife

    Looks a whole lot better than uniform blades of grass, in my opinion.

    If you want a place for your kids to kick a ball and run around, go to a park. Realistically they spend about as much time playing in the yard as most parents do maintaining. Kids can still play in a naturalized yard, in fact it can be more inspiring to their imagination.

    A small area of "traditional" mowed lawn can be left for barbecueing, kids running around etc... but acres of lawn to mow is really just wasteful.

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  9. Grass Varieties Banff by Embedded · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Few People realize this but a Grass varient called Banff for the meadows it started from has been established by Agriculture Canada.

    Yes I once had a full lawn of it and it does grow to 2 1/2 inches and pretty much stays there. And it is a pretty, fine wonderful barefoot grass to boot!

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