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Web-Only Album Wins Grammy

blamanj writes "Jazz artist Maria Schneider won a Grammy last night for her album 'Concert in the Garden.' What makes this unusual, according to CNET, is that she might be the first artist ever to win a Grammy for an album distributed solely on the Web. None of the sales were in record stores, and the album was financed through Artist Share."

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  1. in all fairness by dknight · · Score: 2, Informative

    that Green Day CD really is very good. Admittedly, I've been a green day fan for years, but American Idiot really is a whole new thing for them. I've always really liked the fact that Green Day was willing to try really unique and unusual things.

    Yea, most of the rest of the RIAA stuff produced is crap tho.

  2. To be fair... by lpangelrob2 · · Score: 4, Informative
    To be fair, I've heard of Maria Schneider, and I in general have no ear for music (or the next best music great/talent) at all... I know she is well known in the jazz subculture... this is jazz, it thrives in the underground... and Maria Schneider was well-known long before her Grammy-winning record. Oh, and people that admire jazz tend not to care a lick for the RIAA.

    Still, a good sign.

  3. Re:Records Cos on borrowed time by shark72 · · Score: 3, Informative

    "More to the point, look at the manufactured crap the record companies are spitting out - Maroon 5, retreaded Green Day and a dead Ray Charles."

    For what it's worth, Maroon 5 got their start posting their stuff to MP3.com. However, I agree that they're pretty mediocre.

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  4. Re: that's nice by Reignking · · Score: 5, Informative

    Ah, but the significance is that the Grammys are based strictly on sales. Whoever sells the most albums gets a Grammy, period.

    Not according to their web site, where it basically states the the awards are based on a multi-tiered voting process.

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  5. Re:Just curious... by porcupine8 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The artist has no label. The album was self-financed, and she managed to recoup her expenses with web sales.

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  6. Slightly OT: RIAA & MPAA Law Suits by scorp1us · · Score: 2, Informative

    IANAL, but it was pretty obvious. In doing Constitutional research this past weekend, I came across the fact that US District courts (the one that RIAA sues in) are all (except one) Article 1 courts. It takes an Article 3 court to be effective throught the United States of America. What is the difference? Article 3 courts enforce the laws of the land throughout the USA. The Article 1 courts enforce laws of the Federal governement (federal territories), so therefore, they only pertain to federal lands. The one exeption that I mentioned is Hawaii who has been given an Article 3 court, though it is operated as an Article 1 court.

    Therefore, if you find yourself the victim of a MPAA or RIAA lawsuit, you just should stay out of Federal parks, buildings, Puerto Rico, Guam and American Samoa. Voluntarily appearing before the court is admission of jurisdiction. Furthermore, if you are asked to serve on a federal grand jury, in an article 1 court, make sure you are from a federal territory.

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    1. Re:Slightly OT: RIAA & MPAA Law Suits by scorp1us · · Score: 2, Informative

      All true. However, congress has only ever once given Article 3 power to a court, and that court is in Hawaii.

      Any federal court can indeed hear a matter of federal law, by definition, respecting the nature of the court as specified by congress [Here's your sign! :-)]

      However the limited Article 1 courts cannot hear cases out of their jurisdiction. The jurisdiction of an Article 1 court is Federal territies.

      That is to say, for my ass to be dragged into US District court, I need to commit the offense of federal law on federal land. I cannot be dragged into a federal district court for any law that is not positive law (Law of the land, law of the US of A)

      There are several titles, like Title 26 that have not been enacted into positive law. Therefore, their application is limited to federal territories.

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    2. Re:Slightly OT: RIAA & MPAA Law Suits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      And you would be completely and utterly WRONG.

      You can be drug into federal district court on any number of simple state offenses. Let's say you live in California, but you're visiting New Mexico on vacation. While there, you get into a car accident with a local resident. That local resident can drag you into federal court, and the federal court can accept jurisdiction over the matter based on diversity of citizenship. That is, when the parties are from different states, and the amount in controversy is above $75,000, the court can retain jurisdiction over the parties and proceed with the case.

      The offense need not be related to federal law, nor committed on federal land.

  7. Yeah, but can she live off the net profits? by klevin · · Score: 3, Informative

    The article says she made 10,000 copies and pre-sold 9,000. The album cost her $87,000 to make. She'd need to be selling them for at least $12 a pop to be getting much of anything back. That's assuming the $87k includes her production cost for the 10,000 CDs. In a small run, the packaging costs could easily run $2-3 per CD.

    Her site has gone down in flames (no coral cache available), so I can't check how much she was charging. Granted, a jazz artist with her tallent is likely doing a fair amount of live performances, so the album's not her only source of income, but still . . .

  8. I remember her from an NPR piece by broohaha · · Score: 4, Informative

    She was mentioned in a 3-part piece on NPR's Morning Edition titled "Paying for Music in the Internet Age".

    She's interviewed in part 1 of the series which was aired on the 15th of September [clip length: 5' 42"]. Odd, though, that clip one is the middle link among the three.

  9. Maria Schneider is a jazz goddess! by hot_wasabi · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm a jazz sax player, and have been a big fan of Maria Schneider for several years. She has been creating some of the most sophisticated and musically interesting big band music around since her first album in 1995 (Evanescence, which was also nominated for two Grammys). She has 3 or 4 other albums, and most have received Grammy nominations. She has been regularly winning Down Beat reader & critics polls since 1994. Schneider is the heir apparent to her mentor, the late Gil Evans, who's music includes the famous Miles Davis collaborations Birth of the Cool, Porgy & Bess and Sketches of Spain. Her music is very accessible, though she's explores complex meters, harmonies, textures, and timbres. Her pieces tell a story, and often make reference to visual images. I bought her latest album over the web a few months ago. It was something like $9.99 for 128kbps, $14.99 for 320kbps. It's an excellent album, but I still think that Evanesence is her best effort so far. By all means check out her band live if you ever have the opportunity. She always has some of the best jazz musicians in NYC in her group. Evanescence (amazon.com) Concert in the Garden review (allaboutjazz.com) And, she's a babe! -Hot Wasabi over & out

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  10. Patent pending business model by yelvington · · Score: 4, Informative
    ArtistShare has a patent application that would cover its business model:


    The present invention is directed to a system and method for raising financing and/or revenue by artist for a project, where the project may be a creative work of the artist. The method including registering, by at least one artist, with a centralized database, at least one or more projects, offering, by the at least one artist, an entitlement related to the artist in exchange for capital for the project of the artist. The method and system may also include searching, by an interested party, the centralized database, for the least one artist, registering, by the interested party, with the centralized database and accepting the offer by the interested party for the entitlement related to the project. The capital may then be forwarded to the artist and the entitlement provided to the interested party.
  11. Ms. Schneider's site by Almost-Retired · · Score: 2, Informative

    I just came back form about a half hours wading around in a site that apparently is off on a 56k dialup someplace.

    To become eligible to buy the album, something I'd do out of curiosity and because I think the ARTIST should be supported by a method that purports to funnel the monies to the artist as opposed to funneling it thru the accounting dept of some faceless record company where any number of charges are made against the net sales of an album, whatever it takes to make sure they don't have to cut the artists a royalty check being the order of the day.

    To continue with the first sentence above, one must open an account, complete with usernames and passwords. Somehow, it didn't like something and looped around to have me fix it, but when I fixed it, then it just loops forever asking me to login, something about an expired security certificate was being reported by my browser. And I was unable to get past that, so I never got a chance to drop my card and actually make the purchase.

    FWIW, its $16.95 USD & probably a hefty shipping fee if that site is like most.

    But I'm a little put off, not getting the chance to support what, from the sounds of things, must be a worthy artist to support, by buying her output.

    If you are copying the mail here Ms. Schneider, grab a ball bat and go see your web designer, and don't leave until it works as intended. We really should be able to purchase it without all this 'membership' crap as long as our card has a sufficient line of credit to support the purchase. And I believe $30K+ should be enough to buy your cd unless you'd like to have a really really exclusive club that doesn't mind playing the starving artist scene for real.

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