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Zend Taking PHP In the Wrong Direction?

Posted by Zonk on from the php-it's-dynamite dept.

dvanatta writes "Is Zend taking PHP in the wrong direction? Ian Felton asks 'Why is PHP become more like Java, when the PHP developer community seems to want anything but that to happen? What is Zend thinking?'" From the article: "Data from a Zend survey completed in June 2003 (when PHP5 was still in major development) showed that the characteristics of the PHP community didn't necessarily match up with what was developed in PHP5. For example, with the ability to list three primary programming languages, only 18% of respondents named Java."

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  1. Bad writing by musselm · · Score: 5, Informative

    Come on..
    FTFLOTFA (From the first line of the ...):
    "Why is PHP become more like Java..."

    Give me a break. When this site links to articles as badly written as this one, it makes lots of people feel bad. Why can't devshed and other sites (including this one) do any damn proofreading or editing?

    Thanks!
    Andrew

  2. Popular direction != right direction by sfjoe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In the Zend survey, 93% of respondents listed PHP as a primary language and 69% listed HTML.

    People who think HTML is a programming language really have no business setting the direction of PHP.

    --
    It's simple: I demand prosecution for torture.
  3. Some points... by cmad_x · · Score: 5, Insightful
    In the Zend survey, 93% of respondents listed PHP as a primary language and 69% listed HTML.

    Since when is HTML a programming language?

    why would they put so much effort into making PHP a complex, object-modeled language

    I haven't written anything in PHP5 yet, but from what I've seen, I wouldn't call it "complex". If they find it "complex", they should just stick to HTML.

    As a matter of fact, 85% of PHP users were running Windows as their desktop operating system.

    Yeah, they may run Windows as their desktop OS, but that doesn't stand for anything. Sure, they might usually check out their newest scripts in their desktop, but they all pretty much end up in their server, which is probably running some *NIX.

    A hypertext preprocessor doesn't require an object model as complex as Java, especially when hardly any members of the community use Java

    So? As long as the engine doesn't become slow or very resource hungry, more features are always welcome; the new OO model might help someone write better (e.g. cleaner) PHP code. If you don't like the new OO model, then just don't use it.

    What would Linus do?

    What does Linus have to do with PHP? Why would be care what Linus would do, seriously? Also, about that section mentioning all Zend people driving fancy cars and stuff, and the company trying to profit. Of course it's trying to profit; it's a company! I don't know of any companies that don't have profit in mind. They make a good engine, so PHP is based on it. Are you telling me that that shouldn't have happened because Zend is a company? Think again..

    My $0.02