Slashdot Mirror


Daily Show Production Team Nets Creative Freedom

gremlins writes "Jon Stewart, who recently celebrated his sixth anniversary with "The Daily Show" and was a rumored possible replacement to Dan Rathers, has signed a deal which allows his production team, Busboy Productions, to develop televison projects on their own. The deal also allows Busboy Productions to flirt with other networks when looking for a home for the projects. Comedy Central still gets the right of first refusal for any projects created."

78 of 272 comments (clear)

  1. That's great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But why is it on Slashdot?

    (No, it's not even in the politics section.)

    1. Re:That's great by JonStewart · · Score: 5, Funny

      What can I say? Geeks love me. I share their love of internet porn.

    2. Re:That's great by glenkim · · Score: 2, Informative

      get with the program, Crossfire was a shitty show.

    3. Re:That's great by bradkittenbrink · · Score: 2, Funny

      dude, get off your ass and finish up your campaign website!!

    4. Re:That's great by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But why is it on Slashdot?

      For the same reason that Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, and Star Trek gets covered here... it's what geeks watch.

    5. Re:That's great by chuckgrosvenor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Crossfire was far from informative or even somewhat useful. Two sides shouting at each other without any rhyme or reason is not debate. Politics maybe, but not debate. Crossfire was part of what's wrong with political discussion in this country. A circus freakshow. The Daily Show is a freakshow, but it doesn't pretend to be "serious news" like Crossfire did.

    6. Re:That's great by beakerMeep · · Score: 4, Insightful
      OK, put down the xbox controller and try and think for a minute about why it would be damaging to take a complex, maybe nuanced issue and debate it from two extreme, skewed viewpoints. who stands to gain or lose from such style arguments? (I am not here to peddle conspiracy therioes on you so I will let you decide that for yourself).

      The daily show isn't offensive it's irrevrant. There's a difference. and it's in this irrevrance that jon gained his following -- by exposing the ridiculous and disengenious crossfire style arguments.

      --
      meep
    7. Re:That's great by Rooktoven · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because it was. (A shitty show.)

      --

      Acquiescence leads to obliteration
    8. Re:That's great by evilviper · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The Daily Show is a freakshow, but it doesn't pretend to be "serious news" like Crossfire did.

      No, The Daily Show is not a freakshow. It's really a satire of all the other freakshows, and rather insightful in that role.

      FOX news, saying the US will be attacked if Kerry is elected, is a freakshow.

      Daily Show, reporting that the planet will explode if Kerry is elected, is biting wit, not a freakshow.
      --
      Slashdot gets worse every day... Pipedot: News for nerds, without the corporate slant
    9. Re:That's great by HangingChad · · Score: 4, Funny
      FOX news, saying the US will be attacked if Kerry is elected, is a freakshow.

      And the Secret Service giving a press pass to a gay prostitute using an assumed name would be...what?

      --
      That's our life, the big wheel of shit. - The Fat Man, Blue Tango Salvage
    10. Re:That's great by TWX · · Score: 2, Funny

      "And the Secret Service giving a press pass to a gay prostitute using an assumed name would be...what?"

      Your Government in action?

      --
      Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
    11. Re:That's great by HangingChad · · Score: 2, Funny
      Your Government in action?

      ROFL! Hot government action!

      Good one. I'll avoid the totally obvious Deep Throat references.

      --
      That's our life, the big wheel of shit. - The Fat Man, Blue Tango Salvage
    12. Re:That's great by halcyon1234 · · Score: 2, Funny
      Why is this posted on Slashdot? Simply: Some geeks care about more than just computers.

      In fact, some of us geeks don't even use computers.

      For example, I can whistle at 1200 baud, speak fluent TCP/IP, and have an amazing memory.

      Therefore, any spelling errors in this post are not typos. They're hiccups.

    13. Re:That's great by Therlin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't care if someone is gay, or sells his body to consenting adults.

      What bothers me is that "somehow", a person using a fake identity and with no reporting experience gets access to White House press briefings to ask the President prepared soft-ball questions.

  2. Replacement for Dan Rather? by rjamestaylor · · Score: 4, Funny

    A comedian as a replacement for a serious news anchor?

    Oh yeah... Dan Rather. Sorry. I must have mis-read that.

    --
    -- @rjamestaylor on Ello
  3. Freedom? by LostCluster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't think the article says that the TDS team gets any freedom... they're just getting funding to do spin-offs.

  4. Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Jon Stewart has a lot of experience with fake news.

  5. Jon Stewart by Scoria · · Score: 5, Funny

    For more on this developing story, we turn to our senior Dan Rather analyst, Mr. Stephen Colbert.

    --
    Do you like German cars?
    1. Re:Jon Stewart by Surye · · Score: 5, Funny

      You mean Ted Hitler right? ;)

    2. Re:Jon Stewart by interiot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ACTUALLY... Until the Blogosphere digs up solid evidence of the Cobert/Hitler link, Stephen Colbert's statement on the Daily Show can be considered invocation of Godwin's law, and therefore anyone responding to his statement (outside of intelligence-gathering or fact-checking) is probably violating Godwin's law themselves.

  6. The sad thing is... by nebaz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Daily Show is often more insightful about the news than the mainstream media. You would probably be better served watching a half hour of the Daily Show than CNN/Fox News, etc.

    --
    Rhymes that keep their secrets will unfold behind the clouds.There upon the rainbow is the answer to a neverending story
    1. Re:The sad thing is... by xgamer04 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'd say it's more "+1 Insightful" and "+1 Scary" than "+1 Funny"

      --
      When you look at the state of the world, how can you not become a radical, liberal anarchist?
    2. Re:The sad thing is... by Koiu+Lpoi · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That's true, wasn't there some survey done not too long ago, showing Daily Show watchers more in touch with reality than others?

    3. Re:The sad thing is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not too surprising when you think about it. People whatching the daily show do so to get an interesting perspective on things, you may not agree with it - but you watch it from another angle. Many people who whatch network news just take whatever is spoon fed to them. Not surprising that they end up out of touch (considering the news itself is sort of out of touch).

    4. Re:The sad thing is... by phoenix.bam! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This isn't completely true. You have to at least know what is going on to understand The Daily Show. Fox/CNN are a prerequisite of sorts for many of The Daily Show's jokes.

    5. Re:The sad thing is... by mythosaz · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Except, the parent isn't trying to be funny. The Daily Show is, in some regards, better "news" than the crap that comes on after primetime television.

      Their news IS parody of real news, of course, but it's insightful, it's thought-provoking, and they're equal opportunity in their mocking of liberals and conservatives.

      If you saw Stewart on Crossfire, you'd know he takes politics seriously. [Read his book, America: Democracy Inaction - at $15 for a "textbook," you can't beat it.

    6. Re:The sad thing is... by randomiam · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I remember seeing that survey, or online poll or whatever a few months ago too.

      I think that people (willfully) misinterpret that result. That poll in no way implied that 'Daily Show' viewers (myself included) were more knowledgeable on current events *because* they watched DS. Although there's no way for me to know, I suspect that the opposite is what's really happening. In order to apperciate the humor in the show, the viewer has to be informed of current events. So, the group is self selecting.

    7. Re:The sad thing is... by Zotnix · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes, CNN has the information. You can also take the quiz if you want to.

    8. Re:The sad thing is... by generic-man · · Score: 3, Informative

      Did you see his John Kerry interview? He was practically in love with Kerry and his bold plan of "not being George W. Bush."

      The Daily Show claims to have extended an invitation to George W. Bush. I can't imagine that Bush would have received the same treatment, though Bill O'Reilly got a grudging round of applause when he appeared on the Daily Show to eat some crow about his "stoned slackers" remark.

      Then again, I saw Al Gore's and George W. Bush's appearances on Letterman in 2000. Gore got along very well with Letterman, having been on the show before in his capacity as vice president. Bush appeared via satellite, cracked some awful surgery-related jokes (Letterman had underwent bypass surgery) and got loudly booed.

      --
      For more information, click here.
    9. Re:The sad thing is... by TWX · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Stupidity has bipartisan support. The Daily Show can be enjoyed by both sides."

      What makes you think that the Democrats are liberal? They seem pretty centrist to conservative to me most of the time, as they're frequently defending existing social/government programs against the onslaught of the reactionaries on the scary end of the Republican party...

      From left to right politically:
      radical
      liberal
      moderate/centrist
      conservative
      reactionary

      assuming no differentiation between social and economic platforms. I myself typically am liberal socially and moderate to conservative economically. I like there being new possibilities in society, but I want to protect the economic system that keeps me well fed.

      --
      Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
    10. Re:The sad thing is... by mr100percent · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've been watching Jon Stewart for years. Typically, he doesn't hold a guest's "feet to the fire" as he likes to call it. He's not like O'Reilly where he tries to force them to answer. He had Kerry on, and treated him civilly, but he also warmly had on Republican chairman Ed Gillespie and a number of GOP candidates. He even had Bill O'Reilly on, and despite making fun of and criticizing him so many times, was just as civil as when he spoke to Kerry.

      Stewart is nice to all of his guests. He sometimes asks them tricky questions (I remember when he tried to nicely throw Jon Stossel's idea right back at him when it seems apparent Stossel couldn't defend his thesis), but he always asks his audience to applaud the guest, whoever it is. Even Bill O'Reilly, who once insultingly referred to the audience as "stoned slackers" gave him some applause and you couldn't tell Stewart had any contempt for him by the interview.

  7. Don't you mean Ted Hitler? by Aexia · · Score: 5, Funny

    Columbian drug mule and panda killer?

    1. Re:Don't you mean Ted Hitler? by mythosaz · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ling Ling? Oh, I can't tell them apart.

  8. political bias for a news anchor? by Prophetic_Truth · · Score: 2, Interesting

    John Stewart, while very funny, definatly wears his politics on his shoulder. Stewart speaks his mind and has openly supported one political party over the other. The CBS anchor job requires a neutral position, so that the newscast is not agenda driven like Foxnews or CNN. Dan Rather was actually good at hiding his political beliefs, I doubt Stewart could be as successful.

    --
    time is a perception of a being's consciousness
    time is your 6th sense, the wierd ones are 7+
    1. Re:political bias for a news anchor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Dan Rather? Good at hiding his beliefs? When?

    2. Re:political bias for a news anchor? by gl4ss · · Score: 4, Insightful

      actually it's better if he's transparent about his political beliefs, that way you know that it's his opinion about things. if it was just hidden, but the stories chosen still with certain bias, you wouldn't figure it out so easily.

      and all that doesn't really matter.. it's not like the anchor could go against his employer(and the team behind the news, after all the anchor just reads them..).

      --
      world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
    3. Re:political bias for a news anchor? by Quantum+Fizz · · Score: 5, Insightful
      You mean the Daily Show line "Where more Americans get their news than any other nationality" didn't clue you in that they're just making fun of the system as a whole?

      Have you only watched the Daily Show during the last four years? Stewart has basically been cleverly mocking the hypocrisy of the country's political leaders since the show started. It's been a Republican administration for the past 4 years (and a fully-dominated Republican Senate/House for the past 2 years), so that's where most of his focus goes.

      During the Clinton years there was definitely a slew of anti-Clinton, anti-Lewinski, anti-Gore jokes, etc. But when you have a president like Bush who gives comedians enough material without even trying (along with an administration with policies just dripping with potential for satire), you cannot expect them not to pounce on it.

      For example, I remember back during the Clinton years they basically showed a bunch of clips tacked together of Clinton saying "I did not have relations with that woman ... I did have a relationship with Monica Lewinsky", etc, showing his hypocrisy. Guess what? It was funny then, and his take on the Bush administration is funny now.

      And finally, as Stewart said on Crossfire - he didn't realize that CNN takes it's queues on integrity from Comedy Central. It's COMEDY CENTRAL, a COMEDY channel, not a NEWS channel.

    4. Re:political bias for a news anchor? by jesdynf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Dan Rather was actually good at hiding his political beliefs, I doubt Stewart could be as successful.

      Just because it's viciously slanted is no reason not to trust him -- after all, you know how far to trust him. What's to worry about?

      Even someone pretending to be neutral has agendas you can't see, can't know, and can barely even guess at. Pressure from corporate owners? Pressure from sources for favorable reports to ensure future access to the source?

      Stewart's /fake/ news show is quite literally the only one I watch. I rely on newswires for everything else. I'd have no more reason to distrust Stewart as a real newsguy than I would any other -- less, actually.

      I hope to God that Samantha Bee falls down a well, though.

      --
      Yahoo! Pipes are awesome. How awesome? http://pipes.yahoo.com/jesdynf/slashdot
    5. Re:political bias for a news anchor? by BorgCopyeditor · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I wonder whether you think it is possible to report news critical of the Bush administration's policies without becoming "partisan." Or do you suppose that "the facts have an agenda"?

      --
      Shop as usual. And avoid panic buying.
    6. Re:political bias for a news anchor? by BorgCopyeditor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Did you ever play chess against anyone who mirrors your every move? Ultimately, it's a losing strategy, but it's pretty annoying anyway.

      --
      Shop as usual. And avoid panic buying.
  9. Jon Stewart is not a journalist! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    To imply that Jon Stewart is a journalist and a replacement for Dan Rather is a gross mischaracterization and sad commentary on the state of news media.

    Jon Stewart is a comedian! The Daily Show is a comedy show! He is far from objective although he is hilarious.

  10. Daily Show Rocks! by Quantum+Fizz · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The Daily Show is one of the greatest programs currently on American television. Perhaps part of the reason for it's success is that since it's obviously a satirical show, it can press questions many of the other "so-called liberal media" outlets feel intimidated to represent. For example, the Daily Show was one of the first national 'news' programs to publically acknowledge the whole Jeff Gannon controversy in the White House that most other media outlets are surprisingly quiet about (basically the White House repeatedly gave a press clearance to a mole, under a fake name, who planted easy questions for Bush to answer, after the heightened 9/11 White House security. This guy w/ the fake name also had access to 'classified' information before it was revealed by either Bush or other staff. Meanwhile actual journalists, like Maureen Dowd were consistently refused press passes to White House briefings. This has all been unraveled in the past 2 weeks, like Watergate, with the mainstream press just starting to hesitatingly picking up on it.)

    And of course there's this brilliant tidbit where he blasts CNN's crossfire for being theater instead of actual news. The best part is when conservative crossfire host Tucker Carlson tries to ask Jon Stewart why he gave Kerry softball questions when he was on the Daily Show, Stewart responded (paraphrased from memory) "What I didn't realize, and maybe this explains alot, is that CNN takes its queues on integrity from Comedy Central. The show that leads into mine is puppets making crank phone calls."

    Jon Stewart is brilliant, and since the Daily Show has the satirical factor embedded in it, it allows him more freedom than most other media outlets. And ironically in many cases he does a better job at explaining the news. For example, Daily Show viewers tend to be more informed than viewers of many other programs.

    1. Re:Daily Show Rocks! by Surye · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And it's the only show I regularly watch on tv. I think you summed it up nicely.

      (by the way, I do get "real" news, mostly in the form of reading newspapers. However, daily show provides true insight where one many not expect from Comedy Central).

    2. Re:Daily Show Rocks! by Skreems · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Damn, dude... you totally missed the point.

      First, whenever someone claims that he takes it easier on democratic candidates, they give examples of A) the worst things he's said to republican types and B) random introductory things like "how are you doing?" that he's asked democrats. They're purposely choosing examples to make it seem more skewed than it really is.

      Second, neither Jon nor any of us have to explain any perceived or real slant. Because guess what: it's a COMEDY SHOW!!! They have NO responsibility to be balanced whatsoever! IF they're being unbalanced, it's because they're playing to their audience -- more of the people that watch their show lean to the left than to the right, I would guess. The fact that people try to compare the Daily Show with actual news in the first place is ludicrous... the fact that during those comparisons people keep bringing up the fact that the Daily Show seems biased is beyond critical stupidity.

      Nobody has ever suggested that the Daily Show should be treated like "real news" as you claim in your analogy to Bloggers. They have no desire to run "real news", they just want to do comedy and satire. None of us want the Daily Show to take the place of a real news source, and most of us are saddened and disgusted that they can compare in any way. It just shows how badly defective our "real news" sources actually are.

      --
      Slashdot needs a "-1, Wrong" moderation option.
      The Urban Hippie
    3. Re:Daily Show Rocks! by demachina · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I love the Daily show but.... I unfortunately I understand why I love it, and all the rest of the Blue state'ers probably do too. Its the only American news show, or even fake news show, that people who aren't right wing wackos can watch since Bush assumed his throne, since 9/11 and especially since Bush got reelected. The Daily Show's popularity is almost directly corellated to the rise of Fox News and George W. We all fled to it to escape reality. Some people maybe fled to CNN or ABC but they all turned in to pale echos of Fox News, shameless flag waving after 9/11, their insane rush to war in Iraq, so we had to flee them too so we all landed on the Daily Show. When I tune in CNN I can barely tell it from Fox lately, except maybe Fox has more hard news.

      So we were all happily watching Jon Stewart, havin' a good laugh, and figuring the nightmare would be over in November. America would come to its senses and put a pathetic excuse for a Democrat in the White House, lesser of two evils ya know. He would suck but nothing could be as bad as George W.

      Two problems developed:

      - While were off escaping from reality, the Christian fundamentalists, the neocons, the hawks, Karl Rove and the rest played a deadly serious game to stay in power at all costs, they played hard ball and they won, while we were all off pretending Jon could just poke fun at them, everyone would see he was right and there was no way they could win. BUSHES REELECTION IS ALL JON'S FAULT....WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH.

      - Somehow the Democratic party nominated the absolute most pathetic candidate they could find, if you went looking for the absolute most pathetic candidate to nominate for President you couldn't have found anybody worse.

      So at this point we are trapped, we have only three options:

      A. Stop watching television or at least the news
      B. Watch the Daily show and have a half hour respite from the insanity that has siezed hold of America. Unfortunately its just escapism, pretending that if Jon makes a joke out of something horrible the White House did today that its must not be so bad, well unfortunately it still is.
      C. Watch the network news and just lose it, and start yelling at the TV,

      "How can you people be so stupid"
      "How did you all fall for that"
      "He is lieing, can't you tell he is lieing, he is really obviously lieing, how did you fall for that"
      "When did CNN U.S. get bought out by Fox News?

      That's pretty much all I did during the run up to the Iraq war. It was driving the family nuts everytime the news came on and I started yelling they are lieing about the WMD's and about the ties to Al Qaida, the RPV's spraying American cities with Anthrax and Saring, and about the "mushroom cloud", just so they can sucker Congress, the networks and the American people in to backing a war no one in their right mind would have backed otherwise.

      Its what I do lately when I see John Negroponte getting appointed head of this new monster of a national intelligence agency and all these politicians drooling as they praise him as a great diplomat and statesman, and all these 9/11 families and 9/11 commission, god bless them, naively giving the right wing the cover they needed to create this monster that makes the KGB look puny, the right wing all the while acting reluctant about it as they salivate about going back to the good old day of the '50's and '60's when the CIA was an out of control rogue agency toppling elected government after elected government.

      This is John "Death Squads are Us" Negroponte who was ambassador to Honduras during the Contra part of Iran Contra and the reign of terror of the CIA trained Battalion 3-16 whose specialty was torture and summary executions.

      He has numerous times, under oath said he was unaware of any human rights abuses in Honduras while he was there though death squads tortured hundreds, if not thousands of people, he was briefed on it, he knew about, he

      --
      @de_machina
    4. Re:Daily Show Rocks! by demachina · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "It's not so much that they pick weak candidates, but that they run incredibly weak, hamstrung, castrated campaigns"

      Nope. The cause of a weak campaign is a weak candidate. If he is so gutless he can't run a good campaign it is 100% his fault, he is the chief executive of the campaign.

      Its kind of obvious Dean would have had guts to run a serious campaign, he probably would have been destroyed by Rove and the media, and would have lost too but at least it wouldn't have been as pathetic as Kerry. There was a delightfully complex set of forces that set out to destroy Dean just before Iowa and they were successful. I'm sure it included some Democratic fat cats, party bosses and insiders who were ticked at Dean for circumventing them, it included the media who for whatever reason decided to destroy him. It included Dean himself who stuck his foot in his mouth. I wouldn't be surprised if it included Karl Rove, he probably in fact did fear Dean because he had a backbone and an organization which no other Dem candidates did.

      "1) increase minimum wage by x amount"

      That will get you the votes of progressives who are stuck voting for the Dems anyway or throwing away their votes on Nader, and people who actually work for a minimum wage, students, illegal aliens, high school dropouts, ex-cons, etc. and believe it or not almost none of them vote. You will be sure to lose the vote of anyone who employs people who work for minimum wage, i.e. restaurants, bars etc. It is a noble goal but you wont win an election on it. Its something a liberal would do after winning an election if he could get the votes in Congress.

      "2) increase troop pay and benefits"

      Don't think that is a viable issue for a Democrat to run on. Only people that care are those in the miliary and their families. The enlisted men either vote Democratic already or are probably hawks and firmly Republican, officer corp is very Republican. I doubt its going to swing any votes and is going to cost you an arm an a leg. Jacking up veteran's benefits might win you some votes at a high price, but you might still lose them because Dems are painted as soft on the military. I imagine if you won and actually made sure soldiers actually had armor on their humvees and trucks they might vote to reelect you overwhelmingly. Just promising it in a campaign would go in one ear and out the other. Republicans have been promising it for years and still not delivered.

      "3) $150 billion for infrastructure (creates jobs and gets rid of pot holes "

      Well I'll give you that spending it on infrastructure is better than wasting it in Iraq but your not going to win a lot of votes with it. First off its socialism and the money is mostly going to disappear in to the pockets of corrupt construction companies, unionized labor, and mafia controlled concrete companies. Look at it this way, $150 billion would pay for about ten iterations of Boston's "Big Dig". When all the money was gone you would be skewered for all the fraud, waste and abuse just like the "Big Dig" was.

      "4) increase REAL domestic security, not just hassle guys named Mohammed at airports"

      Easy to say, nearly impossible to do. Terrorists and insurgents always have the advantage because they can pick the soft spots. Unless you turn the U.S. in to a totalitarian police state its unlikely you are going to ever actually increase security. Israel is a tiny place with a oppressive security presence and they still can't stop attacks, especially suicide attacks. Maybe you could win some votes but you are just going to waste the money in a different direction than the Republicans.

      "5) redo the Bush tax package, and make a cut on payroll taxes this time."

      Well that one would be popular until Medicare, Social Security and unemployment run out of money. I'd agree it is criminal to be raking in surpluses from payroll taxes while Congress and the President redirect them in to defraying the deficits from tax cuts for the rich. In theory the su

      --
      @de_machina
  11. Jon Stewart rocks... by GillBates0 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    First and foremost, I should link to the last story Slashdot ran about Jon, slamming the media's coverage of the election on CNN's Crossfire.

    That out of the way, I would like to encourage people to watch The Daily Show even though it comes on at 11pm EST (it also reruns at 7pm EST the following evening). Even those of you who reject it outright as Left Wing BS.

    Pause for a moment and try to listen to what the man has to say in as unbiased a way as possible...thinking of him as a standup comedian might help in this regard.

    Over time, you'll realize, that he indeed makes a lot of sense. Atleast when compared to the lameass corporate-owned media which the populace considers as mainstream (and factual) news. In his own, sarcastic and comedic way, he puts forth "politically incorrect" news items, which the popular media outlets are unwilling to touch, or willing to slant to suit their ends.

    Give it a try. Thank you.

    --
    An Indian-American Hindu committed to non-violent thought/speech/action alarmed by the global explosion of radical Islam
    1. Re:Jon Stewart rocks... by mythosaz · · Score: 5, Informative
      That team of writers INCLUDES him.

      If you like the show, read his book. America: Democracy Inaction is only $15, for god's sake, and anything that includes footnotes like:

      "For purposes of this chapter, "people" still refers to white land owners."

      ...and comments like:

      "Until 1920, the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November was known to women as 'Stay Home and Bake Day'"

      ...can't be all wrong.

    2. Re:Jon Stewart rocks... by otis+wildflower · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think it works best when he's got a writing crew to keep him 'honest' when it comes to covering all sides of an issue. He's not quite so 'fair and balanced' solo. That is to say, he doesn't let his personal sympathies get in the way of a good joke.

      I form opinions issue by issue, rather than subsuming my opinion to one particular groupthink tribal mass or another. Finding the absurdity in any situation where it appears appeals greatly to me, and good satire works when it's honest, telling the truth with humor. For the most part TDS is honest and smart satire, whether it's targeting Bush (I mean, I don't love or hate the man, but it's objectively honest that he can barely string two words together in public speaking.. ) or anyone else.

      Besides, he'll have rightists on as guests often enough, and he's pretty fair. He won't usually go for the easy jabs, as a recent interview with Mike Mills demonstrated.. His interviews tend to be more thought-provoking, given that he'll engage his guests in some serious questioning, and I'd call it 2/3rds BookNotes with only 10% of the dryness.

      I consider TDS mandatory viewing, and I only wish there were more of it.

      I don't think Stewart would be a smart replacement for a network anchor like Rather though, I think he needs a guest to discuss things with, I think he'd do better as a George Stephanopoulous replacement.

  12. News for Nerds by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Last year an interesting story ran amok in the media about how _Daily Show_ watchers were beter informed than Fox News watchers. Geeks are better informed. The _Daily Show_, as a parody of news shows and the news, is for news geeks. We're such geeks that we can't even notice this basic fact without asking one another for clarification. Welcome to the club.

    --

    --
    make install -not war

  13. Uh huh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Like, has anyone else noticed that when The Daily Show's correspondents report "from the field," it looks like in-studio video effects? Yeah. Bad in-studio video effects.

    This guy's a little slow

  14. The Study... by Caseyscrib · · Score: 2, Informative

    The actual study can be found here. There was also a slashdot discussion here.

  15. Who the fuck... by uhlume · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is Dan Rathers?

    --
    SIERRA TANGO FOXTROT UNIFORM
    1. Re:Who the fuck... by trick-knee · · Score: 2, Funny
  16. Re:News for Nerds? by /dev/trash · · Score: 2, Insightful

    he's anti-Bush. That goes over real well here.

  17. Re:News for Nerds? by hastings14 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    To be a nerd requires the ability to think critically. An sense of humor about the nature of the universe doesn't hurt, either.

    One of the primary sources (possibly the primary source) of critical thinking and humor on TV today is the Daily Show.

    Karma-wise, we're all on the same wavelength....

  18. Re:That's great, congratulations on being an idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wow, missed the point award goes to....

    Jon's whole point was "we don't pretend to be news"
    Obviously too subtle for you. At least he's funny.

    Show me a Crossfire fan and I'll show you a psycho.
    You people need to get laid while you still can.

  19. Jon Stewart=court jester by edremy · · Score: 2, Insightful
    There's a long history of using satire to speak unpleasant truths to people who won't otherwise listen. Read up on your Shakespeare (Lear, for example) and you'll see numerous fools who are the only people who can get away with it.

    Jon is our court jester. It's truly sad that you'll see more incisive commentary on TDS than on the major news networks. I've given up on all TV news except TDS- there's no point left to the major news programs anymore.

    The most telling comment I ever saw on TDS was a short clip of a british journalist grilling Tony Blair about something. Stewart's comment was something like "Where can we get some guys like this?" Lord knows the american media has just given up.

    --
    "Seven Deadly Sins? I thought it was a to-do list!"
  20. Re:Hey John. Crossfire appearance was strange. by tim256 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For a second there, I thought you were really Jon Stewart like on the Daily Show. But, Jon Stewart is American and they spell rationalize with a z and behavior without the u.

  21. Re:Remember? by jay-be-em · · Score: 2

    I had already been a fan of Jon Stewart for some time before he took over the chair at The Daily Show; but I must admit, it took him and the writing staff a year or so to become consistently funny. The show was often painfully bad for the first season.

    --
    "Orthodoxy means not thinking--not needing to think. Orthodoxy is unconsciousness." --Eric Blair
  22. And the Obvious Question is... by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Funny

    where is a reliable source of Daily Show torrents?

    --
    When information is power, privacy is freedom.
    1. Re:And the Obvious Question is... by alphakappa · · Score: 2, Informative

      For regular Daily Show torrents that can be downloaded straight without going through a login, use btefnet. Shows can usually be found the same night itself and are of a good video quality.

      --
      "When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to resemble a nail." - Abraham Maslow (1908-1970)
  23. Rather not. by Capt_Troy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'd rather not see Stewart dishing out real news. He's perfect where he is. I doubt CBS would allow him to do the satire that comedy central does, and that's the strength of the Daily Show.

  24. No kidding by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I mean that one comes as a huge "duh". On his interview on C-span Stewart joked about that how you get a green screen and one shot of Baghdad and wham, you have a reporter in the Middle East. I even recall an episode where two reporters that were supposed to be in different parts of the world started areuging and eventually went after each other, back and forth between the two boxes that were supposed to be the different camera angles, it was hilarious.

    However, I'll give the guy some credit. The Daily Show does news so well (or perhaps it's just that normal news is done so poorly) that some peopel do take them more seriously than they should. They start to think the funny is just a hook, and it's a new program.

    No, actually, it's a talkshow, just like Letterman or Leno. Starts with the monologue, goes to the feature, then the guest, then out. It's just a little shorter than the big ones. The news program is just their angle on it, their fun format. All talk shows do a topical show, it's what people want. The Daily Show jsut pretends to be a news show while they do it. That they actually do a good job covering current events is just evidence of the quality.

    So I can give people a little credit for confusing the format with the aim, but it's still pretty stupid.

  25. Re:Daily Show by TWX · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "...although I do agree that his show is comedy, for him to play it off as if he doesn't have an impact on how people think about politics was an artful dodge on his part."

    He's never claimed to be anything but comedy. He delivers deadpan frequently, but he directly makes fun of news. The reason why there is irony here is that he, a self-proclaimed (and acknowledged) comedian goes on a supposedly serious news show, blasts them for their practices, and when they try to attack him for journalistic integrity they are left with nothing specifically because he isn't a journalist, but they have confused him for one. They can't make any logical retort at that point because his comedy is more accurate news than their journalism is.

    --
    Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
  26. Interview by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The one Slashdot interview I'd LOVE to see would be a John Stewart one.

    --
    Buy Steampunk Clothing Online!
  27. Daily show is on CNN in Asia by johnnywheeze · · Score: 5, Informative

    vis-a-vis Jon Stewart not being a serious journalist. The Daily Show has an International Edition that actually plays on CNN on weekends (if you live in asia). Which at last look was accepted as a serious news channel.

    Political satire has always been just as, or indeed more effective in changing opinion on policies and governments than the regular news media.

    Dismiss this man at your peril.

  28. Re:Other Networks Follow Please by unitron · · Score: 2, Funny
    " That's cool. I wish they gave Enterprise the same freedom."

    First thing I thought of was maybe they could develop the next Star Trek series--as a comedy. Seriously.

    --

    I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.

  29. Modappeal by Scareduck · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes, I know, we're not supposed to gripe about moderation, but I think the parent poster is fairly close to right. TDS wants to have it both ways: to be treated seriously by its audience, and at the same time to be left alone as "ha-ha-only serious" satire. Can't have it both ways, kids.

    --

    Dog is my co-pilot.

    1. Re:Modappeal by creysoft · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I concede in advance that I don't have an extensive knowledge of this topic, but I'll throw my two cents in here anyway. Rest assured, paramedics are standing by with the jaws of life to unjam my foot from my mouth.

      I believe the entire point is that TDS *doesn't* want to be treated seriously by its audience. As an earlier post pointed out, they even said as much in on of their disclaimers. You can say what you want about ulterior motives, but the fact of the matter is they are a comedy show, view themselves as a comedy show, and have never done or said anything to contradict that position.

      People get confused when they see Jon attacking the "real" media, because they don't realize that Jon isn't speaking to them as a journalist. He's speaking to them as a concerned citizen. Something along the lines of, "Look, I run a comedy show, and people still think it's better than your real news. That shouldn't be happening." I think it's time for an illustration.

      Let's say for a moment that a popular TV doctor from "E.R." breaks his leg, and goes to the real emergency room, where he is mistreated by the staff, neglected by the doctors, overcharged for the services, and denied appropriate medical treatment. As a celebrity, he has access to the public and decides to hold a conference, blasting the facility for its poor performance.

      The hospital issues a press release, pointing out numerous instances in the show "E.R." where his character failed in his duties, or where much worse events transpired. They end by saying that if the show can't get it right, he has no right to complain about the real thing.

      Can you see the absurdity of this? The only reasonable response is, "I didn't know hospitals took their cues on ethics from cable television." Meanwhile people like myself, who have little or no regard for "E.R." rail away at detractors by echoing the same arguments used in the press release.

      The point is that The Daily Show is not a news show. Jon isn't speaking as a journalist, attacking his colleagues. He's speaking as a concerned citizen, attacking the people charged with providing him accurate, unbiased information, and failing to do their job. His capacity as a news anchor for TDS serves only to grant him access to the public. To accuse Jon Stewart of hypocrisy in failing his own journalistic responsibilities is every bit as absurd as charging a TV actor with failing in his duties as a medical professional.

      --
      Formerly GNU/Anonymous Coward. This message has been determined to cause cancer in laboratory animals.
  30. Re:Great if u like to be brainwashed by brettlbecker · · Score: 2

    Um, dude, you do know it's a comedy show right? As far as I understand it, it doesn't matter what kind of bias a comedy show has. He doesn't care about presenting an objective viewpoint. And he doesn't have to.

    Think your argument and your problem through again, except this time replace all instances of "The Daily Show" with "The Man Show" and see how it comes out.

    ...sigh...

    B

    PS - as an aside, I'd say that The Daily Show was just about as biased towards the Left during the election as FOX News was towards the Right. Of course, FOX News *does* present itself as an objective, credible source of information. Which was a hefty portion of Stewart's point when he was on Crossfire on CNN.

    --
    "We must still have chaos within in order to be able to give birth to a dancing star." --Friedrich Nietzsche
  31. Re:News for Nerds? by smidget2k4 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    he's not nessessarily anti-bush, before the bush administraition he poked plenty of fun at the clinton administration. it's mostly whoever is in power gets made fun of (thought Gore and Kerry each had their fair share too). And have you watched the show recently at all? I would say the Bush jokes and the democrats are pussies jokes almsot even out (or are at least getting a lot closer). And besides, when you have an administration as absurd as the Bushie admin, how can you NOT make fun of it? Its just so easy...

  32. Re:Hey John. Crossfire appearance was strange. by JonStewart · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actually, my father was Welsh. But you didn't hear that from me.

  33. Lose the actor interviews by Sloppy · · Score: 2, Insightful
    There's one thing the Daily Show should do, to turn it from a good show into a great one: get rid of the interviews with entertainers, who are just trying to promote their new movie or something like that.

    It just doesn't fit, and I almost always fast-forward through it (and when I don't fast forward through it, I always regret it, because it turns out to be incredibly boring, even if it's Eric Idle). It's never funny or entertaining. Lose it, and the show will improve. Interview authors and politicians instead.

    --
    As copyright owner of this comment, I authorize everyone to defeat any technological measure which limits access to it.
  34. Re:Great if u like to be brainwashed by mr100percent · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The biggest political partison on the air? Not Bill O'Reilly? Not Michael Savage? Not Ann Coulter? Jon Stewart is not a journalist, right?

    95% of his guests were Kerry shills? Ed Gillespie? Fareed Zakaria? John Leguizamo? Samuel L. Jackson? Kevin Spacey? Jude Law? Desmond Tutu? Bill O'Reilly? Jerry Seinfeld?

  35. Re:Dumb question. 3 reasons. by Dasch · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Have you *ever* been outside the US?! Only in America can a liberal be on the left wing...

  36. Re:Jon's all give, no take. by creysoft · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Jon admits to a bias and refuses to correct it... but he wants to still correct all sorts of faults he detects in the mainstream media.

    This was exactly my point. Let me rephrase. Do you have a bias? Are you a liberal, conservative, libertarian? Librarian? Unless you're absolutely apolitical, you have some sort of affinity for a particular political party. Now, to use your argument:

    "You have an admitted bias, and you refuse to correct it. But you still assume to attack Jon Stewart for having an admitted bias. When your hypocrisy was pointed out, you say, in effect, 'I'm not a journalist!' To which I say, 'EXACTLY!'"

    Jon Stewart isn't a journalist. He plays one on TV. Your second argument, "So taking his advice about media bias is taking the advice of an arrogant joker." seems to indicate that you don't believe comedians can complain about how crappy the news has gotten. If that's what you really believe, well... I'm afraid we're probably never going to come to an agreement. :-)

    --
    Formerly GNU/Anonymous Coward. This message has been determined to cause cancer in laboratory animals.
  37. Makes me recall a quotation I once read by mindaktiviti · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Everything is changing. People are taking their comedians seriously and the politicians as a joke."

    - Will Rogers (I think, took it off a 'net source)

    This quotation seems to hit the mark since all of our comedians actually end up making a lot more sense than our politicians and media.

    Bring on the comedian overlords.