Intel Develops Hardware To Enhance TCP/IP Stacks

RyuuzakiTetsuya writes "The Register is reporting that Intel is developing I/OAT, or I/O Acceleration Technology, which allows the CPU, the mobo chipset and the ethernet controller to help deal with TCP/IP overhead."

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Good stuff!

[kernelistic]

First checksum offloading, now this... It is nice to see that hardware vendors are realizing that 10Gbit/s+ speeds aren't currently realistic without extra forms of computation support from the underlying network interface hardware.

This is Good News.

Re:Good stuff!

[RatRagout]

Yes. Checksum was one of the problems. The other problem is the memory-to-memory-copying of data due to the semantics of the tcp/udp-send() call. This semantics require that the data existing in the memory location at the time send() is called is the data to be sent. If the application changes the data directly after the send()-call this should not affect what is sent. This means that the OS has to copy the data into kernel memory, and then at some later time copy it onto the nic. This memory-to-memory-copying becomes a severe problem when the traffic and bandwidth increases

Re:Good stuff!

[kernelistic]

There have been multiple fixes to address the inefficiencies of the original design of the BSD TCP/IP stack.

FreeBSD for example, has a kernel option called ZERO_COPY_SOCKETS, which dramatically increases network throughput of syscalls such as sendfile(2). With this option enabled, as the name entails, data is no longer copied from userland to kernel space and then passed onto the network card's ringbuffers. It is copied in one swoop!

finally...

[N5]

intel is working on something worthwile: a cure for the common slashdot-ing

and they say the drug companies are miracle workers ;)

White elephant?

[Toby The Economist]

I think in Tannenbaum's book there's a reference which states that offloading network processing normally isn't useful, because the CPU that work is offloaded to is always less powerful than the main CPU and the main CPU is normally blocked in it's task until the network processing has completed.

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Toby

Re:White elephant?

[Toby The Economist]

You must imply that the hardware implimentation will be faster than the main CPU, which it almost certainly won't be, because if you've just spent 300 USD on your P4 CPU, what are you doing spending the same amount again - or more - just on your network subsystem?

Also remember that a well implimented TCP/IP stack runs at about 90% of the speed of a memcpy() (Tannenbaum's book again).

For hardware TCP/IP processing to be useful, you need to be say 2x the speed of the CPUs memcpy() function!

Given that the main performance bottleneck is memory access, since you're basically copying buffers around and so caching isn't going to help you, I don't see how any sort of super-duper hardware is going to give you anything like a 2x speed up, let alone at an economic price.

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Toby

Re:White elephant?

[mr_zorg]

I think in Tannenbaum's book there's a reference which states that offloading network processing normally isn't useful, because the CPU that work is offloaded to is always less powerful than the main CPU and the main CPU is normally blocked in it's task until the network processing has completed.

I think in xyz's book there's a reference which states that offloading graphics processing normally isn't useful, because the CPU that work is offloaded to is always less powerful than the main CPU and the main CPU is normally blocked in it's task until the graphics processing has completed.

See how silly that sounds when you substitute network with graphics? We all know that offloading graphics processing is a good thing. Why? Because it's optimized for the task. Why couldn't the same be done for networking?

Re:White elephant?

[Jeff DeMaagd]

Graphics and networking are two very different things. Networking isn't compute intensive, it is I/O intensive. I don't think the Intel hardware network offload is for much more than basic computation.

Besides, GPUs are more powerful than CPUs at the task of rendering polygons.

Very often ASICs are better at a task than general purpose CPUs, just that considerations must be made as to whether the performance gain is worth the cost difference.

Re:White elephant?

[Toby The Economist]

You can accelerate graphics to a very large degree because the problem is very subject to parallelism.

You cannot accelerate networking very much because the problem is highly serial.

It is improper to compare the two because they are fundamentally different problems.

You can throw tons of hardware at 3D graphics and get good results, because just by having more and more pipelines, you go faster and faster.

Processing a network packet is quite different; the data goes through a series of serial steps and eventually reaches the application layer. The only way you can really make it go faster is to up the clock rate, and you find it's uneconomic to try to beat the main CPU, which remember has *already* been paid for. You have all that CPU for free; to then spend the kind of money you'd need to outpace the CPU makes no sense, let alone the money you'd need to spend to outpace the CPU by a decent margin.

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Toby

Re:White elephant?

[Uhlek]

Hardware implementation will most definitely be leaps and bounds faster than the general CPU. Can a Linux router route 720Gbps of traffic through hundreds of interfaces at once? No. But a Cisco 6500 can, because of hardware designed especially for the task.

Simply put, software on general purpose processors sucks for doing heavy computational work. Hardware tuned especially for a task has, and always will, be where it's at. However, the costs involved in creating ICs specific to a task usually mean that ASICs are only created where there is a need. Modern graphics cards are a great example. The on-board graphics processors are designed especially to create graphics, something that, if offloaded onto the GP CPU, would crush even the highest of the high end.

Also, offloading the TCP/IP stack on a normal workstation probably isn't going to be a huge performance boost. Where this will be useful is in situations where there is a need for high-throughput, low-latency network I/O processing.

Re:White elephant?

[Uhlek]

Comparing the two is completely valid when you're discussing the benefits of task-customized hardware and general purpose computing. Are there limitations where a hardware-based TCP/IP stack will be useful in the desktop/server market, yes, of course there is. But for high-bandwidth applications, I can assure you that offloading the TCP/IP overhead onto an ASIC will not only give you better performance, but also free up primary processor time for other applications.

Also, Catalyst switches are not highly parallel. They can be parallel, depending on the exact model and configuration, as well as the exact path inside the switch that the traffic takes, but it's not even remotely the same in execution as having "hundreds of linux routers side by side."

Instead, it is the exacting way in which the various components of the switch pass data, the very specific purpose of each chip and circuit in the device that gives modern routers the speed they do. Special components such as content-addressable memory, tertiary content addressable memory (memory that allows you to store 0s, 1s, and wildcard values instead of just 0s and 1s, allowing for wire-speed match comparisons against ACLs and routing tables), etc. etc. It isn't merely a stack of GP CPUs all running in parallel to achieve a particular task.

Systems guys often mistake routers and switches for computers with a bunch of Ethernet jacks. They're far from it. They are highly specialized pieces of hardware designed from the bottom up to do one thing and do it well -- transport data. Computers are the opposite. They're designed from the bottom up to be able to do whatever you wish them to as fast as possible, but that flexibility comes with a price.

If you ever get the urge, you should read up on Catalyst switching architecture. You'll find it quite interesting.

Fastest network card EVAR

[Anonymous Coward]

I was one of the lucky few who beta tested this. The plus side is you can overclock your network card to download faster than the remote server bandwidth. I did not try it, but I would be able to slashdot the slashdot.org website just by browsing it.

Security updates

[KiloByte]

As we know it damn well, shit happens all the time.

So... how exactly are they going to ship patches in the case of a security issue?

nvidia

[Ecio]

Isnt Nvidia doing the same with his new nforce serie motherboards? lowering cpu usage by adding network management code and a SPI firewall inside the chipset?

Interesting

[miyako]

This seems interesting, though given intels track record I wonder if it will really be as useful as they are speculating, as the article has no real technical information.
Granted, I've never administered a server that was under anywhere remotely near the types of loads we are talking about for this to be useful, but I have a hard time imagining that dealing with the TCP/IP stack would be more intensive than running applications (as the article claims).
So, far all you people out there much more qualified to discuss this than I am, will having some part of the processor dedicated to handling TCP/IP really speed things up, or is this primarily a marketing technology?

Qlogic TOE cards

[jsimon12]

Uh, this isn't new, Qlogic has been doing it for some time now, in there TOE cards (TCP Offload Engine). The cards are smoking, especially on Solaris, cause Sun's TCP stack is crappy.

Re:Ethernet controllers

[afidel]

No, a gigabit adapter can't saturate a PCI bus by itself, 32bit 33MHz PCI is 133MB/s, gigabit is 100MB/s. Then there is 32bit 66MHz PCI, and if you want you could run a 32bit card at 133MHz as the standard supports it (though I've never heard of such a card, if you need 133MHz you generally also need 64bit but I assume a ADC could use the faster speed but not need the wider word size. The fastest current implementation of the slot local bus is 16 channel PCI-express which could handle 4 10gigabit adapters. The problem would be coming up with enough data to keep those pipes full, no disk subsystem is fast enough, and any meaningfull SQL transactions are going to be CPU limited on even the bigest of servers, so why would you need a bus with more bandwidth than that? Add to this the fact that servers which actually need more throughput have long had the faster PCI slots and you realize that it's not a problem in the real world.

yeah great

[Anonymous Coward]

soon it will be dedicated processor and RAM to deal with tcp, then a dedicated processor for the keyboard input, then a dedicated processor for the fans and a special dedicated processor on 12" PCI-X card for the extremely computationally intensive MOUSE, actually this will have it's own special dedicated path call 'AMP' or Accelerated Mouse Port. Mice of the future will need much more bandwidth than today. About 16 GB i/o so they need their own data paths.

And then there will be other enhancements like the tcp/ip one.

For instance a special accelerator card for Word and Internet Explorer will be developed.

Furious Linux users will demand their own technology, so one manufacurer will come up with a special card for running GNOME apps. This card will have 4 duel core 6 Ghz processors and allow Gnome to run at normal speeds.

Re:A good thing

[Quobobo]

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Will it support IPv6?

[arc.light]

The article doesn't say, and I'd hate to be "stuck" with a card that only does IPv4. Yeah, I know, hardly anyone uses IPv6 today, but the nations of China and Japan, as well as the US DoD, are starting to roll out IPv6 networks in a big way.

Lots of people agree, including AC and DM

[Anonymous Coward]

AC being Alan Cox, DM being Dave Miller.

Read Alan's opinion here.

Read Dave's opinion here.

There has been discussion of this specific Intel announcement here.

So finally!

[Trogre]

buying Intel really will make the internet go faster!

Old news

[obeythefist]

Intel has been wanting to do this for years! I remember reading old articles on The Register about it, and how they were pulling back because Microsoft didn't like the idea of Intel taking away things that Microsoft were running with their software, including things like managing networking instead of having the OS do it.

Of course it couldn't last, what with nVidia doing firewalls and NICs and all sorts of other things, Intel is a big company and they know when they need to compete. MS has also lost a bit of their clout when it comes to things like pressuring the bigger companies (intel, HP, Dell)

ha! who needs it?

[flacco]

...when you can get AOL internet accelerator for FREE!

And the integrated DRM?

[tjlsmith]

and how much DRM are they going to build onto the motherboard, just in passing?

Don't think for a minute the big boys aren't trying to take the Internet away from us. The missed the opportunity once, never twice.

Re:Ethernet controllers

[Matt_Bennett]

The critical aspect you leave out is that Gigabit ethernet is (inherently) Full Duplex. That means that that a 32/33 PCI bus would be saturated at a gigabit out, but have no bandwidth for anything incoming.

In truth, a gigabit ethernet card can saturate a 1X PCI-E link (2Gb/s after the 8B/10B encoding is removed), when sending small packets- basically due to packet overhead.

This old bit of snake-oil...

[Ancient_Hacker]

The nightmare continues. It goes something like this: Some drooling "computer scientist" is too dumb to do anything useful, so they speculate" "Wouldnt it be nice to free up this $XXXX CPU from this humdrum task (choose: moving bits/bytes/pixels/ or packets)". He finds a brain-addled silicon-stuffer to design a chip to do just that. All rejoice at the increased efficiency.

Except:

• The silicon-stuffer only has access to the slow processes of maybe two silicon generations back, unlike the CPU which paid for the latest whizzy xx picofurlong process. So the supposedly whizzy chip is still not particularly faster than the CPU.
• The whizzy chip shows up late, just about when the associated CPU is going to take a 2x speed hike.
• The chip is on the I/O bus, requiring many slow I/O cycles, with interrupts masked, to get its commands.
• Said whizzy bit-banger doesnt have any software support from the main operating systems.
• The silicon-etcher guy can't write english worth a damm, so nobody can understand the spec sheet.
• And oh, he didnt know the bus was active-low, so all the data packets have to be inverted.
• And sometimes byte-reversed too.
• The chip designer doesnt know or care about the whole system, so the chip does several things that spoil the overall performance, like hogging the bus, saturating the bus snoop logic, poisoning the cache, interrupting too often, etc.
• The droolers forgot to think about the multi-processor option, so the chip doesnt share well with multiple CPU's.
• The chip is all hard-wired gates, so there's no way to fix the problems.

Finally some software wizard finds a way of speeding up the code that runs in the CPU so it's now faster than the separate chip, so the chip is now useless and just an extra power waster.

We've seen successive waves of this concept, none of them have had much success. Graphics processors are one partial exception, and it took almost a decade of mis-designs of those before they became stable enough to be usable.

Re:Nothing to see here

[ergo98]

I'll take any speed boosts Intel wants to throw my way but I think their efforts would be better spent elsewhere.

Craig Barrett here.

Listen we apologize for this distraction, and apologize for not consulting with you first. I guess some of our engineers just got caught up in something silly and they went off and did this when instead they could be doing things more valuable to you.

We immediately begin work on the porn accelerator coprocessor.