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Software Distribution By Vinyl

townxelliot writes "Beige Records is home to the intriguing 8-Bit Construction Set. Their record has the distinction of being "the first ever use of the vinyl recording medium for software distribution - the inside tracks are audio data which can be dubbed to cassette tape and booted in your respective atari or commodore 8-bit computers". Samples of their music ("entirely programmed in 6502 assembly language") are available for download."

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  1. does this mean by Festering+Leper · · Score: 5, Funny

    that we'll start getting floppy 45's in magazines again?

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  2. Increasing amount of data. by Phucilage · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder if you'll be able to pull the same ole trick w/ this method as you did with music. If you used lighter grooves, you able to pack more music in, it'd just be more quiet, deeper grooves was louder music, but less of them.

  3. Ahhh the good old days.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    when copyright infringement of computer games could be done with a double cassette deck.

    Some good decks could even reliably copy games in high speed dubbing mode.

    Whoohoo!

    1. Re:Ahhh the good old days.... by BearJ · · Score: 5, Funny

      So back then, we used equipment for music to copy computer programs. As opposed to today, when we use computers to copy music. What an age we live in!

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    2. Re:Ahhh the good old days.... by acariquara · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yep. The turntables were turned.

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  4. don't play it backwards by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Funny

    if you play it backwards you can briefly hear a voice say "6502 is dead"

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  5. Data on vinyl done before by whaley · · Score: 5, Informative

    Basicode (Hobbyscoop) was distributed on flexi discs..

    1. Re:Data on vinyl done before by shippo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I acquired three such flexi-disks on the front cover of UK computer magazines around 1982 to 1984. Only got a moderate success rate with them. One was an adventure game, with a prize awarded amongst those who could solve it. I had reverse engineered the workings of the game compiler used to create the game, so solving it should have been easy, but I couldn't get it to load at all.

    2. Re:Data on vinyl done before by moon-monster · · Score: 5, Interesting

      There used to be a few speccy games on vinyl. In fact, a few 80's pop acts (Thompson Twins, Shakin' Stevens) released some as B-sides on some of their singles.

      Apparently the game wasn't very good.

      There's some more info on previous data-on-vinyl experiments here.

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  6. vinyl is for sissies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Real Men use eight tracks.

    1. Re:vinyl is for sissies by cosmic_0x526179 · · Score: 5, Funny
      Real Men use eight tracks.

      Screw that. Gimme a nice solid deck of 5081 cards any day. Now that was data ! Back when a Megabyte was enough to make your back sore. 1MB = 1,048,576 bytes = 13,108 cards = ~6.5 boxes of cards (at roughly 10 lbs/box) = ~65 lbs. Were talking serious data here.

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  7. ahh... by CdBee · · Score: 4, Funny

    but I need to know before I buy - is the record DRM-laden ?

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  8. Imagine... by IversenX · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...if you wrote DeCSS in this. Perhaps the MPAA and the RIAA would sue each other over who has the right to sue you, thus annihilating themselves into pure energy?

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    1. Re:Imagine... by Capt'n+Hector · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm sure they'd both sue you...

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  9. AOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    that we'll start getting floppy 45's in magazines again?

    AOL will of course be the first and largest user of this new medium.

  10. 6502 Assembly Language by bigtallmofo · · Score: 3, Funny

    * = $C000:.MEM
    LDA #115
    JSR $FFD2
    LDA #108
    JSR $FFD2
    LDA #097
    JSR $FFD2
    LDA #115
    JSR $FFD2
    LDA #104
    JSR $FFD2
    LDA #100
    JSR $FFD2
    LDA #111
    JSR $FFD2
    LDA #116
    JSR $FFD2

    SYS 49152

    I wonder if slashdot has ever been output in 6502 assembly language before?

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  11. Hah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I've been joking about LP-ROMs for years :)

  12. Hasn't this been done before? by Fred+Or+Alive · · Score: 5, Informative

    This page has data on various vinyl records with computer data stored on them. Most of which are about 20 years old. So they're not the first to distribute computer data on vinyl.

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    1. Re:Hasn't this been done before? by Richard+W.M.+Jones · · Score: 5, Informative
      Software distribution using acetate (very flexible, cheap and light) records was very common in the UK around the early 1980s. They were the original "cover discs" on magazines!

      I still have a few games, including an Othello/Reversi game for the ZX81 from "Your Computer" magazine.

      The disadvantage was that you could play the acetate about twice before it got so damaged that it wouldn't play any more, so we used to record the record to tape first time.

      Vinyl/acetate wasn't even the strangest way that computer software was distributed. I remember they used to broadcast games late at night on TV. You had to (carefully!) record the sound signal off the TV and onto your tape machine. Madness!

      Rich.

    2. Re:Hasn't this been done before? by Bigman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Does anyone remember that the BBC also transmitted BBC-Micro programs using Teletext pages? (as mentioned on this page) I never had a BBC Micro but my cousin did. You could either copy the pages off the screen or if you had a teletext adapter the computer could fetch them. They did this right up to 1987.
      Ahh, the old 8-bit days......

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  13. Not first post... by tgv · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't think this is a primer. I remember a magazine (perhaps Keyboard Magazine) that had a disk with software in the 80s. And of course, there was the Dutch radio that broadcasted software over FM...

    1. Re:Not first post... by Fred+Or+Alive · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you want weird software distribution, the BBC (and Channel 4) broadcast software through teletext services at one point as well.

      Although that wasn't data as sound, teletext uses unused parts of the picture.

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  14. It's hardly a first by stx23 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Diverse artists such as Tomita, Shakin' Stevens & the Thompson Twins distributed software on vinyl over 20 years ago.

    http://www.kempa.com/blog/archives/000053.html

    OH DEAR.
    a bat bit

    you.

  15. Pete Shelley (ex-Buzzcocks) did this in 1983 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    check out the album XL1 by Pete Shelley (ex-Buzzcocks). apart from being a great album,
    the last track on this album called "zx spectrum code" contains computer graphics for the sinclair zx spectrum computer. see http://freespace.virgin.net/pete.shelley/xl1-01.ht m
    cheers, lars

  16. OK - so not quite vinyl, but... by mauledbydogs · · Score: 5, Informative

    When I worked on Commodore User (UK mag) in the 80s, we gave away a flexi-disc as a covermount. It was basically a floppy plastic record. One side was a Heaven 17 track and the other, IIRC, was a datatrack designed to be recorded onto tape then loaded on a C64.

  17. Rainbow Magazine by qwertphobia · · Score: 3, Informative

    Rainbow Magazine used to ship with a floppy record every once in a while.

    It had the same code on it that was listed in the magazine in text, but the record came without the typing and type-o-ing.

    Rainbow Magazine was a magazine with content based around the Tandy/Radio Shack Color Computer.

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  18. When I was a kid... by marsu_k · · Score: 4, Funny

    and the C64 was oh-so-popular, the local radio station used to send freeware C64 programs over radio so you could record them on a tape and use with your Commodore. It was good listening also, if you happened to like industrial/noise.

  19. Done by Computer & Video Games magazine in the by mccalli · · Score: 3, Informative
    C&VG occassionally came with a vinyl record containing software. The one that sticks in my mind was a dual music/software record containing a Thompson Twins' single (Doctor Doctor?) and a Thompson Twins adventure game for the Spectrum.

    Cheers,
    Ian

  20. LT-TFA by x2A · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you Listen To TFA, you'll realise that this isn't just software written to vinyl, this is software encoded in music, that happens to be written to vinyl. That is, the assembly code, when played back, actually SOUNDS like music. This is completely different from having a data section at the end of a vinyl disc (for all of you who have been using that as a "this has been done before with..." example).

    'tho listening to some Speedy-J tracks, sounds like there some data encoded in those!

    -2A

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  21. Re:Video on Vinyl by WWWWolf · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well, it's possible in theory, there was a vinyl-based video system called SelectaVision / VideoDisc.

    Though, the discs themselves used read mechanism that was very different from LPs, and also had far higher groove density than LPs; if you store analog video on LPs, you probably get either a very short video or a very bad resolution.

  22. Why bother? by haelduksf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you really wanted to, you could probably encode music onto a piece of cheese...but what's the point?

  23. This story should have been posted later by RockClimb · · Score: 4, Funny

    A story like this should have been posted later in the day.... I woke up, went to slashdot, read the story and for a brief second thought the last 25 years of my life had been some type of twisted dream and that I was late for school. Gee thanks guys.... I nearly had a heart attack ;)

  24. Re: 3 grooves by cosmic_0x526179 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "Matching Tie and Handkerchief" has two parallel groves on one side. No mention of the material on the second track either. I always wondered why that side played so fast until I accidently hit the hidden track one time.

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  25. John Logie Baird by maharg · · Score: 4, Interesting

    John Logie Baird recorded 30 line video onto 78rpm records in 1928. He also demonstrated a 600 line HDTV colour system in 1941.

    See http://www.answers.com/topic/john-logie-baird

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  26. I declare previous art by deetsay · · Score: 3, Informative
    The 8-Bit Construction Set record is also the first ever use of the vinyl recording medium for software distribution - the inside tracks are audio data which can be dubbed to cassette tape and booted in your respective atari or commodore 8-bit computers (guinness world record for first-ever vinyl-to-software programming is currently pending)
    I coded a small C64 demo and put it in a datatrack on my vinyl "Tero: Cracker's Revenge" on Rikos Records (http://www.rikosrecords.com/) a couple of years ago... Anyway, we already knew it was an old idea, I'm told there was an Apple 2 datatrack in 1981 on a record called "Kone kertoo" by a band called "Argon". I'm too lazy to read the full thread but there's probably earlier examples in the world as well... I'm pretty sure the Guinness record people will find out :-)
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  27. Audiophiles... by tonywestonuk · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...Of course, there are many of us who truly believe the quality of software distributed by Vinyl, will always be higher than that distributed by CD-ROM.

  28. reply from beige by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    hi folks

    thanks for the debate on our record, hope someone likes the music anyway. obviously not the first data on vinyl [just never bothered to change the webpage in 5 years] and actually not the first time the 8-bit construction set has been slashdotted. but nonetheless it's always a pleasure to see what people think.

    we received an anonymous and very interesting email in early 2002 detailing some patents regarding software distribution on vinyl. i'm appending it below for interested parties.

    thanks again
    & peace out nerds

    paul
    paul AT beigerecords DOT com

    *****
    Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:59:03 -0500

    Distribution of computer programs on vinyl records
    was done in the early 70's by several different
    researchers. First, a guy named
    Allan B. Chertok. He has several patents in this field,
    which I would recommend that you guys read:

    US Patent 3,662,350 (1972)
    US Patent 3,740,733 (1973)
    US Patent 3,662,354 (1972)

    Also- Norman L. Harvey. This guys was a real genius.
    Check out his patent: US 3,755,792 (1973).

    This is not to say that your work is not "original"
    and "cool". But please- give credit where credit is due!
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