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American View On Korean Broadband Leadership

prostoalex writes "South Korea remains the world's undisputed broadband leader (in terms of penetration) with 25 broadband lines for every 100 people as of year-end 2004. But how did it come to that? Joel Strauch moved there to teach English and in his letter to PC World he portrays the everyday life in broadband heaven as well as names the reasons for Korean broadband dominance: 'An ambitious, nearly $11 billion program, it appears to be working. Studies have shown that over a quarter of Koreans have broadband and that anyone who wants it can sign up--with some ISPs charging as little as $19 a month for DSL. I pay $30 myself, for a 1.5-megabits-per-second (mbps) connection--twice the speed of my $50-a-month service back home in the United States.'"

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  1. Port scanning by suso · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All I can see from here is the port scanning that continuously comes from their networks. And the lack of response when I try to report it to their ISPs.

  2. Size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So. Korea being the size of about New Jersey
    might be the reason broadband has deeper penetraton than in the US.

    1. Re:Size by Arroc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Same old excuse: infrastructure X sucks in the USA because the country is too big.
      Why isn't New Jersey doing so well since it is the size of Korea?

    2. Re:Size by zakezuke · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So. Korea being the size of about New Jersey
      might be the reason broadband has deeper penetraton than in the US


      New Jersey a population of about 8.6 million, of those about 693,000 were subscribed to broadband in 2003 or about 8%. This state is in the top 5 list of subscribers in America.

      South Korea is about 38,023 sq. miles in size
      New Jersey is about 8,721 sq. miles.

      Virginia on the other hand is larger than South Korea, but close at 39,598 sq. miles. It would be less insulting to say that South Korea was the about the same size as on of the sothern states.

      N.J. is smaller in terms of size and population than South Korea, yet has less in terms of percent of broadband subscribers.

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  3. Re:Doesn't sound so wonderful by bbk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm willing to bet he has a 1.5Mbit/sec bidirectional DSL line, rather than the "3Mbit/sec down, 512Kbit/sec up" line that Comcast is most likely selling you.

    For that kind of bidirectional speed, you're looking at $100/month or so here...

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  4. Translation: by saintp · · Score: 4, Insightful
    When you pay taxes for something, your out-of-pocket expenditure for it is less. We pay taxes to support massive petroleum subsidies, because cheap gas is important to us. Koreans pay taxes to support massive Internet subsidies. It simply represents a difference in whose pockets we want to line: already-wealthy oil barons, or already-wealthy Internet barons?

    TANSTAAFL.

    1. Re:Translation: by gad_zuki! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >The story your missing is that the Korean subsidies wern't free money to 'rich' telecoms.

      This is very common with American thinkers. Here in the US, so much corporate welfare is given out through various lobbying efforts, not generally through well thought out planning. I dont at all believe most of my peers understand how powerful a stratgic "pump primer" subsidy can be to fire up business to provide some really stellar results, like what we are seeing in Korea.

      Then again, the American outlook is justified as the cronyism goes very deep here and the assumption that the fair market implementation in the US will take care of itself. Of course this ignores monopoly issues, IP law abuse, etc. In the end, the US does well enough so that people aren't complaning too loudly about broadband pricing or lack of availibility, but seeing a touch of socialism and central planning produce some really excellent results just brings out the worst in the WSJ/right-wing crowd.

      Sadly, this thread reads of just all the things "wrong" with the Korean implementation instead of giving them the kudos they've earned for such a huge and risky project.

      I think this is the larger issue and the wedge between the US and all other post-industrialized nations, especially Europe and Canada. These countries are actually doing very well with complex programs like universal healthcare and better consumer protections; two things the US elites and populace seem to want nothing to do with and in an act of cognitive dissonance, they last out and just point out whats wrong with these socialized or "primed" programs.

      Yes, there are downsides to subsidization, but there are also real upsides and we're seeing it in Koreas amazing broadband revolution and in the social programs of western democracies, except the US. Of course, the US ideology gives a lot more leeway to enterprenaurs and makes for a more nimble market, but that comes at a cost, mainly quality of life issues and companies which get too big and a government unwilling or unable to take on harmful monopolies like slashdot's favorite computer company, Microsoft.

  5. Why can't we get this kind of penetration? by KiltedKnight · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Three reasons:

    1. SBC (primarily it's PacBell portion)
    2. Verizon
    3. BellSouth
    We would've long ago had a much higher penetration level, except they want to control the lines and the access.

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  6. Re:Leadership? by MP3Chuck · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What's the point of 100Mbps though? A lot of servers are lucky to be sitting on their own 100MBps pipe. With the exception of P2P stuff, I'd imagine there's a point where additional MBps on a home line just aren't that significant anymore.

  7. Re:Leadership? by hedley · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think the buildout is important. Ultimately in the limit I believe that you will get your entertainment content via the net (minus the pr0n we already receive). The idea is that you would visit webpages for the TV shows you like and support, you get billed directly and DL the show you like for a small fee. You watch it when you want commercial free. Movies also could be delivered this way.
    Anyway, thats where I believe the BW will ultimately go. If I am wrong, then you are right 1..4mbs would be all you would need (barring p2p). (that last comment sounds a lot like 640k is all you need :) ).

    Hedley

  8. A bit more than $30/mo by magarity · · Score: 4, Insightful

    nearly $11 billion program ... I pay $30 myself ... twice the speed of my $50-a-month service back home in the United States.'"

    Let's see here; he's crowing about how it "costs less" at $30 per month yet ignores the taxes collected to create the $11B system. Sorry people, it ain't cheaper; the costs are just hidden in the Koreans' taxes.

    1. Re:A bit more than $30/mo by pe1chl · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But then, it comes down to "what do we spend our tax money on? will we improve broadband connectivity for our citizens or will we interfere with other countries' business and pretend it is for a good cause"?

    2. Re:A bit more than $30/mo by nfgaida · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I would have to spend sigificantly more as an individual to get that sort of broadband vs my share of the costs if everyone was helping. In fact, if it wasn't for large tax-funded investments in technology like the internet, we wouldn't have the technology we have today.

      I'm more than happy to pay taxes to support that (and other such endovers). I'm not happy paying taxes to support a war to help oil barons have easier access to some oil so they can get richer.

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  9. Some economics basics for slashbots. by Rotten168 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If there was an 11 billion dollar government program to increase broadband penetration, then it doesn't cost each person in SK 30 bucks a month. It costs them 30 bucks a month plus that portion of their taxes which is going to subsidize broadband.

    In the US we could pay nothing in broadband and have it be completely subsidized by the government. But we'd still be paying for it through taxes.

    What worse about subsidization, even if you don't use broadband you have to pay for it, depending on how their taxation scheme works.

    I am all for increasing US's broadband connections but it's not all bad here, there is far more internet penetration and PC's among the populace here than in SK.

  10. In-depth criticism from a South Korean by odibil · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, I am actually a South Korean studying in US for 5 years. Although the broadband infrastructure there is surely impressive, I am well aware of the limitations and problems associated with the net-frenzyness in South Korea.

    (1) Why so crazy for net?
    First, as most of you already know, South Korea is about 20 times as densely populated as in the US. Even worse, more than half of the whole population live around Seoul, in a region that only counts one tenth of the country. I'm not mentioning the economy matters. Rather, I am pointing out that chances for sound outdoor activities are really scarce! For scuva diving, bike hiking, yacht and wind-surfing, ..., well, that's only for some manias; it's really hard to grab a decent place for such things. The result is that more and more people are just relaxing at on-line rather than outdoors. Well, not very good for health. :(

    (2) So what do they do with net?
    Next, because of that, most of the netizen activities of South Koreans are not very productive. Downloading pirated movies and musics, playing online games, creating and enjoying weird online communities, ..., most of them are just consuming digital merchandise having nothing to do with real life. For instance, I can hardly see handful of Koreans in any major open source project.

    (3) What's wrong with the digital consumerism? Why don't I like it?
    These "digital consumerism" originated from the Asian economy crisis that hit South Korea at the end of 1997. To revive the economy, South Korean government encouraged IT industries and infrastructures, and lots of online contents providers are founded. One of the biggest investors were Micro$oft, and they provided support for developing M$-specific webpages; a screenful of images and ActiveX shits. That awful culture continues growing and growing, and now it's really a pain in the ... posterior ... to see major South Korean webpage with non-WinIE browser. I really wonder if Korean web develoopers have ever heard of W3C. A handful of my friends and myself continue to protest and struggle, but things are never improving.

    In summary, I would say that although South Korean broadband infrastructure is decent, it's far from heaven in terms of what to do with that.