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Preparing for the Broadcast Flag?

Couch Potato asks: "I'm worried that, come next July, the FCC mandated broadcast flag will soon take away all sorts of fair use rights I have long enjoyed. Given that there are only a few months left to make purchasing decisions, how best can one prepare for the advent of the broadcast flag?" "I'm somewhat aware of projects like Myth TV, but it's not all that I want. Specifically, I want to make sure that I can record DVDs or similar files of any program I want off of cable, sattelite or broadcast TV, flag or not and without any other encumbering restrictions (such as the Macrovision DRM for DVDs) and without worry that someday they'll change something so that my old drivers and hardware are suddenly obsolete and useless when faced with updates to the formats. Note that this makes closed-source-only drivers an issue, because assuming the hardware can still be adapted to whatever they change on us, open-sources drivers can be modified and closed-source ones probably won't be, whether for legal or practical considerations. So then, what can someone with a modest budget do to make sure that their constitutional fair use rights don't succumb to planned obsolecense, like the VCR has?"

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  1. pcHDTV 3000 is a Great option! by Dana+P'Simer · · Score: 5, Informative
    I bought the pcHDTV card and am building a Gentoo MythTV box around it, heres a HOW-TO. MythTV can record your programs to DVD if you like as well as many other things.

    I am using an AMD 1700+ CPU with 1 GB memory, an nVidia GeForce FX 5700 128MB board. I only have 80+GB space on the system right now (enough for around 5 hrs recording time ) but I will probably upgrade it later this year.

    I bought this card because it does not have the broadcast bit and since it was made before July it will not be encumbered with all those restrictions.

    I do not, however, plan on abusing that flexibility by sharing my recordings and thus ripping off the content owners. It is the thieves that feel it is thier right to steal from people just because they can that have brought this onerrous situation upon us.

    1. Re:pcHDTV 3000 is a Great option! by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 4, Informative

      It is the thieves that feel it is thier right to steal from people just because they can that have brought this onerrous situation upon us.

      I applaud you decision to respect the copyright laws, and not support piracy. On the other hand, I think you are very wrong to think DRM controls have anything to do with piracy. They don't stop anyone from copying a disk, and they are a mere speed bump for anyone who wants to rip content. DRM related laws are not aimed at the lawless, they are useless for stopping piracy. DRM is all about content control for people who obey the laws. Their purpose is to prevent you from moving your already purchased content to a newer format, or displaying it in multiple locations. They are about price fixing in different regions. I'm sorry you have been fooled into believe the smokescreen about piracy. Content producers are not stupid enough to believe that DRM will stop piracy, it is just an excuse.

      To make a second point, while I do not violate copyright laws, I think the dirty hands of the content publishers give them little right to complain about copyright violations. Copyright was a two-sided deal, and they have welshed on their half. If copyrights do not enter the public domain and copy-written works are not available for sale at a reasonable price, then the original agreement has been broken and their is no reason why they should have exclusive rights to publish a work. Just because they bribed politicians with the money they made with their government sponsored monopoly, does not make it ethical to fail to fulfill their half of the deal. Of course, corporations are rarely ethical, and generally will do whatever the law allows them to, including change those laws to make more profit. If someone wants to violate these unfair copyright laws, hack content publishers bank accounts, or steal all their staplers, I say "enjoy and good luck."

  2. Buy an HD TV tuner card by HeaththeGreat · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just buy an ATI TV tuner card before its too late.

  3. The EFF is fighting the broadcast flag by doormat · · Score: 5, Informative

    link from Ars Technica

    Unfortunately they're fighting it on a technicality - that Congress did not give the FCC explicit power to create the broadcast flag, and thusly they have no authority themselves to create it.

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  4. wait and see what the courts decide? by oneiros27 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The DC Circuit Court isn't so sure the FCC has the right to make that rule.

    I have no idea what you can do to try to sway the judicial system, as it's only 2 of 3 so far.

    I guess you could contribute to the folks trying to take the FCC to court over this.

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  5. Good news for Mac Owners by thatshortkid · · Score: 5, Informative

    I found myself asking this same question, too. So I put the question to the makers of the EyeTV 500. This is their response:

    "EyeTV 500 does not support the broadcast flag. Units bought before July 2005 will never support the broadcast flag. We will not update EyeTV 500 units bought before then to support the flag.

    Thus, your EyeTV 500 will never support the broadcast flag. It will ignore flags, and not use DRM for any content. That means you'll have the maximum freedom possible with its recordings."

    It's a little pricey, but it does the compression on the box. I don't have digital cable yet, but I may buy this come May/June just for the fuck of it since pre-July box prices will probably go up dramatically come July 2 (on the black market, of course, since the law bans all inter-state trade of these devices).

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  6. Re:Similar question... by way2trivial · · Score: 4, Informative

    yes, a card bought that IGNORES the flag, will continue to do so.

    Hope it never shorts out, and they never update the driver or software.... and you don't need your todays AGP card to work in tommorows PCI-E mobo.....

    p.s. buy two

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  7. Write Letters? Lot of good that will do by btavshan · · Score: 4, Informative

    Knowing a number of close friends that have worked in congressmen/senators' offices, I can tell you that writing/calling your congressmen will do.....NOTHING. They get ridiculous numbers of emails/calls a day (in addition to the normal spam and telemarketing no doubt), and just end up feeding it off on some intern who sends out cookie-cutter replies. No one in Washington or the state capitol wants to listen to you.

  8. Re:Hmm.. by DaHat · · Score: 5, Informative

    Better to buy from Korea, they also use 8VSB for DTV transmission over the air.

    Avoid any COFDM devices as that is the European standard and would not work here in the states unless it also did 8VSB.

  9. Re:And let's not forget about OS X by dowobeha · · Score: 4, Informative
    See the EFF for a good list of HD solutions on Mac, Linux, and Windows:

    Intro to HD PVRs

    Broadcast flag info and list of HDTV cards

    And BTW, the Elgato eyetv 500 is the answer to your question.

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  10. Just for information... by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...all of the Broadcast Flag plans were in motion up long before Bush became president, during Clinton's presidency. Clinton appointed Michael Powell to the FCC [when he became Chairman, he didn't get any more votes], Clinton signed the DMCA into law, and Fritz Hollings (D) (along with four other Democratic senators) is the sponsor of the CBDTPA (née SSSCA or "DMCA 2").

    I'm not saying the parent is speaking to this specifically, but this is just a point of information for others who will no doubt ignorantly vomit out the opposite in this thread.

    1. Re:Just for information... by Orion_ · · Score: 3, Informative

      Clinton signed the DMCA into law

      Yes, and the DMCA passed Congress without a single no vote. The Senate passed it 99-0, and the House passed it on a voice vote (which generally means that there wasn't any real opposition).

      I don't know if the parent was attempting to point out that Democrats are solely to blame for things like the DMCA and the Broadcast flag or if he was trying to point out that both parties are to blame. It seems clear to me from the record that you can't blame things on just one party. People shouldn't get the impression that the Republicans have somehow been the guardians of our fair use rights against attacks conducted solely by the Democrats.

  11. It's being challenged in court by Iphtashu+Fitz · · Score: 4, Informative

    A number of groups like the EFF, American Library Association, etc. are all challenging the broadcast flag in court. With a bit of luck it's implementation will be delayed or even stopped.

  12. Here are good options by dowobeha · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Buy an HDTV card now.

    pcHDTV 3000 from here

    Air2PC from here or here

    2. When you're ready, build a computer for MythTV. Use this guide, look here for HDTV tips, and ask questions on this mailing list. You can also search for answers on the mailing list archive.

    3. You say that Myth isn't all you want. I think you're wrong. Here's what it can do:

    It can record analog content from cable, satellite, and over-the-air broadcasts.

    It can record digital content from over-the-air broadcasts, including HDTV.

    It can record unencrypted digital content over firewire from some digital cable boxes.

    Using free tools that come with MythTV, you can cut commercials and export any recording from MythTV to a number of different formats, including Divx, Xvid, VCD, SVCD, and DVD.

    4. Here's what it can't do:

    Myth can't record encrypted digital content from digital cable or digital satellite. Keep in mind that no PC-based solution can do this. The only possible ways to do record content from these sources in digital format are to use a black-box solution (usually) provided by the cable or satellite company or to put on your black hacker hat and crack the encryption. If you choose the former, odds are slim and none that you will be able to export the recordings.

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  13. Re:Write Some Letters by Maxwell · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's being heard in court today.

    http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050221-46 35 .html

    JON

  14. M-I-C-K-E-Y... by Teechur007 · · Score: 4, Informative
    S-U-C-K-S...in terms of copyrights and how they've been extended ad nauseum because the Disney cronies have a lot to lose in their mouse IP. This article explains how the Mouse and his crew have officially screwed us over in the realm of public domain:

    "The CTEA [Copyright Term Extension Act]extended the term of protection by 20 years for works copyrighted after January 1, 1923. Works copyrighted by individuals since 1978 got "life plus 70" rather than the existing "life plus 50". Works made by or for corporations (referred to as "works made for hire") got 95 years. Works copyrighted before 1978 were shielded for 95 years, regardless of how they were produced."

    And thus, the reason why I cannot sell my bootleg Mickey shirts for another few decades. :) --Teechur007