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Should the UN Replace ICANN?

An anonymous reader writes "Yahoo news has a story on how some developing countries want control of the assignment of network names and numbers turned over to an international body, such as the UN's ITU (International Telecommunication Union)."

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  1. Re:The UN????? by Chirs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Have you even heard of the ITU?

    They manage the radio spectrum, satellite orbits, and distress/safety stuff. The reason why you can make a phone call to China is that telcos around the world generally abide by ITU standards (technically "recommendations"). They do a bunch of other stuff too (R&D, etc.).

    If anyone is to be given control over the Internet, the ITU is probably the most appropriate organization.

  2. UN's track record in technology... by Hobart · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Two items about the U.N.'s track record in technology:
    Look at the wonderfulness that is the X.400/X.500 email/directory infrastructure, and the OSI protocol stack (take a look through the BSD source code for the remanants of it). Those were real winners.
    The ITU-T has a history of happily passing patent-riddled and overpriced standards. (Why's it taken so long to implement a free software modem?) I'm sure it will be delightful to every 'net software developer when the RFC editor position is retired, and we can shell out $75 to $250 a copy to Global Engineering Documents for a copy of an Internet standard.
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  3. Re:Can United Nations REALLY stop cyber crime and by LuSiDe · · Score: 5, Insightful
    What I do know is that none of those 13+ organizations you rattled off has been able to stop genocide in Yugoslavia or Rwanda nor have they been able to prevent the UN from being a money launderer for Saddam.


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  4. Politics vs. Administration by ari_j · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I agree that the UN is the wrong body for this, because the UN is an international political body, and control over any essential element of the Internet on a global scale should be as far removed from political control as possible.

  5. Re:Can United Nations REALLY stop cyber crime and by hyfe · · Score: 4, Insightful
    UN from being a money launderer for Saddam.

    The UN faithfully delivered all suggested contracts to a commitee manned by 5 standard members of the council, several was marked as financially suspicious but none of these were investigated. The US did however block hundreds of other contracts for what they said was security reasons, the other 4 countries blocked none. This was [b]not[/b] a fault of the UN administration

    Furthermore, the money involved in these contracts are dwarfed by both the amount of money mysteriously disappearing from Iraqui oilwells nowadays, and the amount of good old-fashioned smuggling out of Iraq pre-war.

    The "genocide" in Yugoslavia is a fairly good example actually, because before NATO/US moved in, people on all sides were killing eachother pretty equally. It was war. However western media somehow(for what reasons? by whose decision?) misrepresented statistics and the whole situation blew up when NATO went in. To add insult to this, they never went in with ground fources to break things up. Europe(Germany? my memory fails me) premature approval of Kosovo didn't help much either. The UN tactic of waiting it out, and not arbitrerarily choosing one side to side with was prudent; and it's only our acute sense of stupidity that keeps us from seeing it.

    Lastly, the world is a big place; listing the disasters of the world is not proof the UN is not working. They are not, and never were intended to be world police. They are not perfect, and they don't have a magic wand to remove problems. Problems often seem quite different depending on the perspective, and while I'm sure you're sure your perspective is right, I'm equally sure mine is right.

    Oh, and sorry for not providing links, but I don't have them handy; and you're probably just as good at searching as I am :)

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  6. Re:Can United Nations REALLY stop cyber crime and by gorbachev · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So what you're saying, you'd rather have ONE country and its ideals control what is and what is not acceptable in the Internet?

    Okay.

    May I remind you that while spam is an entirely American invention, it still is a worldwide problem. As such it would probably make sense to fight it globally rather than individually in national levels, which is exactly what is happening and not working right now.

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  7. Re:No way... by gorbachev · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's kinda hard to have UN solve anything when its biggest member:

    a) is not paying its dues
    b) does not want to respond to genocide w/in a year or two of its happening
    c) has veto on all votes of the security council

    Get a clue.

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  8. Mod parent up by einhverfr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would add that up until the invasion of Kuwait, the former Bush Administration was selling arms to Saddam. Additionally, most of the WMD raw materials including bioweapons cultures came from Saddam's good buddies in the US. So it is really funny to watch all this criticism of the UN when it was the Regan Administration (and later the first Bush administration) who gave active support to Saddam's WMD ambitions.

    The UN could not do anything because the member countries of the Security Council who were generally much closer geographically to Iraq were (rightly as it turned out) afraid of what would happen when Saddam was ousted.

    In other news, we can look at the nepotism that goes on wrt Iraq contracts under the Bush Administration (Haliburton anyone?) and see strong parallels to the OFF issues. Therefore the US government must be bad and we should get rid of it? I don't know anyone who reacts this way to the US Gov't except strangely those who are responsible for supporting this type of morally bankrupt government.

    The UN has been coming of age in recent years, and this is likely to be the source of a lot of the hard feelings. The WTO which used to be a sounding board for US corporate interests is now becoming more egalitarian with the third world countries standing up to their interests much better than in the past. Similarly, the US cannot just assume that other countries (particularly those in the EU) will simply bow to US economic, trade, and even foreign policy. The UN has become a strong force for Europe, Africa, and Latin America, and this is a direct threat to the global supremacy of the US. This is why there is so much bitterness against it from here.

    Sure there is some corruption, but there is corruption in every other burocracy in the world. What is news is that for the first time since WWII, the US is opposed by a community of nations in a variety of ways from trade policy to its international agenda. There is a lot of cooperation too but nobody mentions this.

    The UN would do well to take over the duties of the IANA and the ICANN. And again this is because it would give poorer nations more just representation in these policies.

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    1. Re:Mod parent up by einhverfr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The U.S. did sell arms to Iraq in the 80's, however when you look at the amounts, you can see that these were miniscule compared to what they received from the USSR, France, and China. Even at its largest in 1988, U.S. sales only accounted for only 5% of Iraq's arms purchases.

      Actually if you do research on Iraq-gate, you will find that similar to the OFF scandle today, the allegations were that Reagan/Bush were using humanitarian aid to help Saddam buy weapons. They basically helped Saddam launder money from humanitarian aid in order to build an army. Additionally, most of the raw materials that Iraq used in its NBC/WMD weaponry programs came from the US.

      I guess some things never change. It is just good when the President of the US does it and bad when the UN does it.

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  9. Re:Can United Nations REALLY stop cyber crime and by strider44 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What I do know is that none of those 13+ organizations you rattled off has been able to stop genocide in Yugoslavia or Rwanda nor have they been able to prevent the UN from being a money launderer for Saddam.

    And they didn't stop the tsunami disaster - that should have been preemtively prevented like America preemted Iraq using WMDs. And of course they should have moved in right away when GWB got reelected.

    But tell me, wtf does that have to do with the bloody governmence of the internet?

  10. Re:Can United Nations REALLY stop cyber crime and by peachpuff · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "What I do know is that none of those 13+ organizations you rattled off has been able to stop genocide in Yugoslavia or Rwanda nor have they been able to prevent the UN from being a money launderer for Saddam."

    Has ICANN?

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