vallette writes "Reuters is reporting that Apple may be interested in buying TiVo. Seems like a good fit to me. Both companies stock price is up on the rumor."
Re:Maybe it's going here
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MyDixieWrecked
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dude, thos pictures have already been confirmed fakes. You can see that it's just a white cardboard box with a color-laserprint top and front and ports...
heh.
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...spike Ewwwwww, coconut...
Apple better off on there own
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piltdownman84
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Really, why would Apple want Tivo? Last I heard tivo was starting to fall on hard times.
Far better off just making their own PVR software. You can already hack together a pretty nice PVR using a Motorola DCT-6200 and a Mac. see here : http://macteens.com/more.php?id=410_0_1_0_C
The only reason Apple might want tivo is to leverage themselves somehow into the way that cable/satellite/ip content is distributed, just to block M$ push. Maybe i'm missing something but I don't see how buying tivo would help much if any with this.
That said I would love to see a nice Mac Mini DVR from Apple. That said if they don't make one, not too hard to make one yourself.
It already has one. Much in the Mac spirit, virtually all TiVo functions can be accessed just with the directional pad and the single select button. Most of the other buttons are just optional shortcuts.
Re:Go for it!
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prichardson
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Misconception Alert!
Don't worry, it's a minor one.
Pixlet is designed for video editing. It compresses each frame individually. This is good for doing certain effects, since any frame can be pulled out of context.
MPEG-4 compression uses previous frames to make a frame. This allows the file to be smaller, but doesn't allow frames to pulled out of context for effects to be added.
Hope that clears things up! Otherwise, great post.
-- Help I'm a rock.
anatomy of a rumor
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aka-ed
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At 12:21 pm someone calling himself "philipswann" posted the following on the Yahoo board:
TiVo Sale Rumors -- link
by: phillipswann 02/23/05 12:21 pm
Msg: 239226 of 239994
http://www.swannisez.com/tivorumor022305.html
(If you look at that link now, it's a rehash of Reuters news concerning the rumor, with no hint that Swann -- who has probably scared himself half to death by singlehandedly moving the market -- started this rumor himself)
At 3:11 pm, Marketwatch issued a sloppy story that credited an entity called "Inside Digital Media" for cracking the apple buyout story. However, if you visit the site, you will find a blog entry that presents a well-reasoned rationale as to why Apple should buy Tivo, but no hard news at all.
Subsequently, analyst Steven Kroll, Jr. (whose dad is a senior partner at the same firm) provided the "what we hear on the street" quote that Reuters served up.
No one seems to have bothered at all to trace this garbage to its specious sources.
I own some Tivo, and was watching all of this today because I was considering cutting my losses (this dog had lost one-third of its value in a month). Instead, I'm holding on and hoping for a short squeeze, or even the possibility that the rumors will alert video-on-demand competitors to what a bargain TIVO's 3 million subscribers would be for anyone seeking a toehold on the living room.
So, while it looks to me that the rumor is only that, I wouldn't be too surprised if it became reality.
-- I survived the Dick Cheney Presidency 7 to 9 AM 7-21-07
If you wish to create an ITunes-style service for film and video, you need scale. You can't just build it and hope those with the hardware will come.
The Tivo boxes out there, and Tivo's 3 million subscribers (6x the half-million they had at the beginning of 2003) can provide that scale. The Tivo is a linux box, so compatability with Apple devices will not be a problem.
Mind you, I believe the rumor is only a rumor, but Tivo does have a lot to offer Apple if it comes about.
-- I survived the Dick Cheney Presidency 7 to 9 AM 7-21-07
Re:Alternatively...
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Anonymous Coward
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Now... If Apple decides to take chances and 'loophole' solutions to let their consumers do what they want with the content - THAT would be interesting. So far, it appears the consumer electronics industry as a whole is rolling over when challenged by the likes of the RIAA and MPAA.
That would be like selling MP3s and MP3 players without DRM restrictions. iCan't imagine that happening either.
Apropos of nothing, Bob Cringley wrote an interesting article recently.
Re:Mac mini is the next TiVo unit?
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Jeff+DeMaagd
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One thing some have noticed is that there is an annoying flickering black stripe near the bottom of the screen with TV-out. I've seen it in my mini, and it was posted on BYODKM.net. I guess not everyone gets this. For DVI-out, I guess it's not a problem but I don't have anything with DVI in.
Re:Go for it!
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Nonoche
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being French, catorce sounded very close to quatorze to me (14 in french), so I had this figured out pretty much. You know what, I think it's done ON PURPOSE.
Now, that will surely get you thinking and loving that song for the opposite reason you hated it before.
Re:TiVo and Netflix will make a good combo!
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The+Bod
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Tivo and Netfix announced a deal the day before I bought my Tivo. Perhaps this is why Apple might be interested in Tivo?
Re:Alternatively...
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hawk
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No, they wouldn't.
It's a contractual issue, and they *can't*. They've deliberately set up theri agreements this way.
This was actually litigated in another context a couple of years ago. A compy (etoys? itoys?) had pledged that if you provided your email, it would never be released to any third party under any circumstances. The compnay found itself in bankruptcy, and other companies tried to buy the list. The privacy conditions were upheld. (ISTR that in the end, Disney bought it out to destroy the list or some such).
hawk
It just makes sense.
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mtaco
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Too bad its probably not true, given the history of the rumor above.
My 1st generation TiVO is already a box that sits in my living room, connected to my stereo, from which I could play songs/videos pulled off my hard drive. An I'm running Mac OS X. Considering I ended up buying a second device to do just the music piece of this http://www.slimdevices.com/ if Apple came out with a new TiVo that did this plus movies, I'd have to seriously consider upgrading my TiVO.
Its inevitable and obvious that Apple was going to eventually build a device to serve as the home entertainmentcomputer connection. For one thing, Steve Jobs said so about 8 years ago. They already have the codec to use for the video portion: H.264/AVC http://developer.apple.com/macosx/tiger/index.html, and obviously they've also done the music portion.
Whether or not they do an iVideos store is probably moot in the end. TiVo is a success just doing broadcast TV, the real growth would be becoming the defacto standard for digital cable and satellite. TiVO hasn't really persued this, but I expect Apple might, there's nothing sacred about the settop box business, and Apple has already show willingness to license iPod to other vendors like HP/Motorola.
Nor does iVideos require broadband. DirecTV is already marketing cheap movies to PVR owners like myself. Come to think of it, even without broadband you could easily sell a service that was satellite based and offered you a menu of 100 different movies a month. After all, over pay per view, I already have a menu of about 25 movies/month, and the only reason its only 25 is because they repeat the movie all day long. With a Tivo, they would only have to broadcast a movie once.
Hmmm... The TiVo already has a modem, so it could connect to a master server, order any movie from a long list of movies, then get the movie downloaded in one burst via the satellite. Since multiple people could mooch off the same movie download, it might be possible to have a list of 1000 movies available. If you picked an obscure movie, you might have to wait 24 hours for a download slot to open. It would be inconvenient, but if new releases were instantaneous (since you could start in the middle of any running download), its proabably acceptable.
So say $500 for a new box that plugs into my existing video crap, lets me download from a list of 1000 movies over my satellite dish, replaces my sqeezebox for music (one less thing), stores all my DVDs for easy playback (less crap in the living room). In a word, hmm...
TiVO couldn't do it alone, but Apple and TiVO could do it together.
Ask them if they care
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Merk
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Firstly, most people wouldn't care at all. Secondly, TiVo has been doing it for years, and although the *potential* for them to do evil things exists, it just hasn't manifested itself.
Having your TiVo spy on you is kinda like having your mom spy on you. Sure, she could potentially embarrass you and do all kinds of other awful things, but you're pretty sure she won't, so you don't bother to hide things from her.
Besides, if the remote-monitoring bothers you *you can opt out!*
Pick on Mikey!
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rjung2k
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Unless Cars is the biggest flop in the history of cinema, any studio would be foolish to not want to be associated with Pixar.
<Insert your own Michael Eisner joke here>
For those who don't get it, Eisner predicted that Finding Nemo would be a box-office bomb. But what do you expect from a guy who greenlighted Home on the Range?
dude, thos pictures have already been confirmed fakes. You can see that it's just a white cardboard box with a color-laserprint top and front and ports...
heh.
...spike
Ewwwwww, coconut...
Really, why would Apple want Tivo? Last I heard tivo was starting to fall on hard times.
Far better off just making their own PVR software. You can already hack together a pretty nice PVR using a Motorola DCT-6200 and a Mac. see here : http://macteens.com/more.php?id=410_0_1_0_C
The only reason Apple might want tivo is to leverage themselves somehow into the way that cable/satellite/ip content is distributed, just to block M$ push. Maybe i'm missing something but I don't see how buying tivo would help much if any with this.
That said I would love to see a nice Mac Mini DVR from Apple. That said if they don't make one, not too hard to make one yourself.
I, for one, welcome our iPippen overlords
Wait till you see the one-button remote control.
It already has one. Much in the Mac spirit, virtually all TiVo functions can be accessed just with the directional pad and the single select button. Most of the other buttons are just optional shortcuts.
Misconception Alert!
Don't worry, it's a minor one.
Pixlet is designed for video editing. It compresses each frame individually. This is good for doing certain effects, since any frame can be pulled out of context.
MPEG-4 compression uses previous frames to make a frame. This allows the file to be smaller, but doesn't allow frames to pulled out of context for effects to be added.
Hope that clears things up! Otherwise, great post.
Help I'm a rock.
TiVo Sale Rumors -- link
by: phillipswann 02/23/05 12:21 pm
Msg: 239226 of 239994
http://www.swannisez.com/tivorumor022305.html
(If you look at that link now, it's a rehash of Reuters news concerning the rumor, with no hint that Swann -- who has probably scared himself half to death by singlehandedly moving the market -- started this rumor himself)
At 3:11 pm, Marketwatch issued a sloppy story that credited an entity called "Inside Digital Media" for cracking the apple buyout story. However, if you visit the site, you will find a blog entry that presents a well-reasoned rationale as to why Apple should buy Tivo, but no hard news at all.
Subsequently, analyst Steven Kroll, Jr. (whose dad is a senior partner at the same firm) provided the "what we hear on the street" quote that Reuters served up.
No one seems to have bothered at all to trace this garbage to its specious sources.
I own some Tivo, and was watching all of this today because I was considering cutting my losses (this dog had lost one-third of its value in a month). Instead, I'm holding on and hoping for a short squeeze, or even the possibility that the rumors will alert video-on-demand competitors to what a bargain TIVO's 3 million subscribers would be for anyone seeking a toehold on the living room.
So, while it looks to me that the rumor is only that, I wouldn't be too surprised if it became reality.
I survived the Dick Cheney Presidency 7 to 9 AM 7-21-07
The Tivo boxes out there, and Tivo's 3 million subscribers (6x the half-million they had at the beginning of 2003) can provide that scale. The Tivo is a linux box, so compatability with Apple devices will not be a problem.
Mind you, I believe the rumor is only a rumor, but Tivo does have a lot to offer Apple if it comes about.
I survived the Dick Cheney Presidency 7 to 9 AM 7-21-07
Now... If Apple decides to take chances and 'loophole' solutions to let their consumers do what they want with the content - THAT would be interesting. So far, it appears the consumer electronics industry as a whole is rolling over when challenged by the likes of the RIAA and MPAA.
That would be like selling MP3s and MP3 players without DRM restrictions. iCan't imagine that happening either.
Apropos of nothing, Bob Cringley wrote an interesting article recently.
One thing some have noticed is that there is an annoying flickering black stripe near the bottom of the screen with TV-out. I've seen it in my mini, and it was posted on BYODKM.net. I guess not everyone gets this. For DVI-out, I guess it's not a problem but I don't have anything with DVI in.
being French, catorce sounded very close to quatorze to me (14 in french), so I had this figured out pretty much. You know what, I think it's done ON PURPOSE.
;)
Now, that will surely get you thinking and loving that song for the opposite reason you hated it before.
which is pretty lame IMHO
Apple's stock isn't up on this rumor. Apple's stock is just up as of late.
I have a website. It's about Macs.
Tivo and Netfix announced a deal the day before I bought my Tivo. Perhaps this is why Apple might be interested in Tivo?
No, they wouldn't.
It's a contractual issue, and they *can't*. They've deliberately set up theri agreements this way.
This was actually litigated in another context a couple of years ago. A compy (etoys? itoys?) had pledged that if you provided your email, it would never be released to any third party under any circumstances. The compnay found itself in bankruptcy, and other companies tried to buy the list. The privacy conditions were upheld. (ISTR that in the end, Disney bought it out to destroy the list or some such).
hawk
Too bad its probably not true, given the history of the rumor above.
l , and obviously they've also done the music portion.
My 1st generation TiVO is already a box that sits in my living room, connected to my stereo, from which I could play songs/videos pulled off my hard drive. An I'm running Mac OS X. Considering I ended up buying a second device to do just the music piece of this http://www.slimdevices.com/ if Apple came out with a new TiVo that did this plus movies, I'd have to seriously consider upgrading my TiVO.
Its inevitable and obvious that Apple was going to eventually build a device to serve as the home entertainmentcomputer connection. For one thing, Steve Jobs said so about 8 years ago. They already have the codec to use for the video portion: H.264/AVC http://developer.apple.com/macosx/tiger/index.htm
Whether or not they do an iVideos store is probably moot in the end. TiVo is a success just doing broadcast TV, the real growth would be becoming the defacto standard for digital cable and satellite. TiVO hasn't really persued this, but I expect Apple might, there's nothing sacred about the settop box business, and Apple has already show willingness to license iPod to other vendors like HP/Motorola.
Nor does iVideos require broadband. DirecTV is already marketing cheap movies to PVR owners like myself. Come to think of it, even without broadband you could easily sell a service that was satellite based and offered you a menu of 100 different movies a month. After all, over pay per view, I already have a menu of about 25 movies/month, and the only reason its only 25 is because they repeat the movie all day long. With a Tivo, they would only have to broadcast a movie once.
Hmmm... The TiVo already has a modem, so it could connect to a master server, order any movie from a long list of movies, then get the movie downloaded in one burst via the satellite. Since multiple people could mooch off the same movie download, it might be possible to have a list of 1000 movies available. If you picked an obscure movie, you might have to wait 24 hours for a download slot to open. It would be inconvenient, but if new releases were instantaneous (since you could start in the middle of any running download), its proabably acceptable.
So say $500 for a new box that plugs into my existing video crap, lets me download from a list of 1000 movies over my satellite dish, replaces my sqeezebox for music (one less thing), stores all my DVDs for easy playback (less crap in the living room). In a word, hmm...
TiVO couldn't do it alone, but Apple and TiVO could do it together.
Firstly, most people wouldn't care at all. Secondly, TiVo has been doing it for years, and although the *potential* for them to do evil things exists, it just hasn't manifested itself.
Having your TiVo spy on you is kinda like having your mom spy on you. Sure, she could potentially embarrass you and do all kinds of other awful things, but you're pretty sure she won't, so you don't bother to hide things from her.
Besides, if the remote-monitoring bothers you *you can opt out!*
Unless Cars is the biggest flop in the history of cinema, any studio would be foolish to not want to be associated with Pixar.
<Insert your own Michael Eisner joke here>
For those who don't get it, Eisner predicted that Finding Nemo would be a box-office bomb. But what do you expect from a guy who greenlighted Home on the Range?
--R.J.
Electric-Escape.net
Ihat is probably because catorce is 14 but in Spanish.